BOO IS BACK!!!

[CappyNU]

‘We lost to [expletive] Northwestern!? That’s not a thing. This program never loses to [expletive] Northwestern. That’s not a thing. That’s not OK.’

I *have* to know who said this! This should be basketball's Hayden Fry moment.

I looked at this a bit yesterday, here's my conjecture:

2019-20 season: We beat Nebraska twice and PSU, doubt it was either of those teams

2020-21: We beat MSU, Indiana, OSU, Minnesota, Maryland and Nebraska
MSU - prior to the win, we were 4-38 against Izzo, immensely strong candidate
Indiana - doubtful, 10-10 in the previous 20 games against them
OSU - previously 1-3 against Holtmann, unlikely
Minnesota - no.
Maryland - prior to the win, 1-10 under Turgeon, a possibility here
Nebraska - see above

2021-22: We beat Maryland, MSU, Rutgers, Nebraska twice, Indiana, and Minnesota. Unlikely any of these, given previous year wins against MD, MSU, Neb, IU, MN and Rutgers has no history of beating us strongly.

2022-23: Possibilities are Illinois, Wisconsin, Purdue and Iowa
Iowa - 1-11 in previous 12 games, a possibility given Fran's uh...temperament.
Purdue - had been on an 11 game losing streak, but doesn't seem like something Painter would say
Illinois - had been on an 8 game losing streak, ol' red ass definitely could've said it, but not sure there's enough dominance there
Wisconsin - previously 1-8 against them, maybe?

If I'm guessing, I go 1) Izzo, 2) Fran, 3) Undie, 4) Turgeon, 5) Painter, 6) Gard

 

[Figrating]

Thats true, but those 3 guys are already on the team...
I think you mis-interpreted what I wrote, unless you can read Chris Collins' mind.

And here's me, thinking we were discussing the last available position on the team...

I can read CCC's mind on CA, but the rest is moving too fast.

 

[TheC]

I looked at this a bit yesterday, here's my conjecture:

2019-20 season: We beat Nebraska twice and PSU, doubt it was either of those teams

2020-21: We beat MSU, Indiana, OSU, Minnesota, Maryland and Nebraska
MSU - prior to the win, we were 4-38 against Izzo, immensely strong candidate
Indiana - doubtful, 10-10 in the previous 20 games against them
OSU - previously 1-3 against Holtmann, unlikely
Minnesota - no.
Maryland - prior to the win, 1-10 under Turgeon, a possibility here
Nebraska - see above

2021-22: We beat Maryland, MSU, Rutgers, Nebraska twice, Indiana, and Minnesota. Unlikely any of these, given previous year wins against MD, MSU, Neb, IU, MN and Rutgers has no history of beating us strongly.

2022-23: Possibilities are Illinois, Wisconsin, Purdue and Iowa
Iowa - 1-11 in previous 12 games, a possibility given Fran's uh...temperament.
Purdue - had been on an 11 game losing streak, but doesn't seem like something Painter would say
Illinois - had been on an 8 game losing streak, ol' red ass definitely could've said it, but not sure there's enough dominance there
Wisconsin - previously 1-8 against them, maybe?

If I'm guessing, I go 1) Izzo, 2) Fran, 3) Undie, 4) Turgeon, 5) Painter, 6) Gard

That doesn't sound like Izzo. I think he has a lot of respect for Collins, and NU does have a history of every once in a while shocking a good MSU team.

 

[EvanstonCat]

I think we saw:

• Chase’s ceiling - great D, streaky O
• The first chance for BB and constant improvement. He might have tried too hard at the end but like the moxie
• The coming of age for MN

If think Boo can get better - left and 3 - easily identifiable things to work on. As for chase, what can he work on? D is solid. He bangs. He simply has reached his apex.

If he returns, it’s because of his teammates and NIL is at or near best option. I don’t see a route to nba for either guys though.

Drugs kill. You people talk about Chase’s streakiness and shot selection, well he can work on his shooting and his shot selection. Apex? Chase’s ceiling is higher than anyone on this team because of his athleticism. Please, the returning DPOY (if he returns) is not having a reduced role. He will still be one of the top 2 players on the team and our defensive leader. He’s a way more complete player than any player on the team and as pointed out probably the only one next to our 7 footer who may have a cup of coffee in the league. Brooks may put up some points but he’s one of our poorer defenders on what is a defense first team that will live and die based on our ability to sustain excellence on that side of the ball. Chase would remain the core of that defensive excellence. Sixth man providing offense off the bench is more likely for BB than displacing our defensive stopper who also being streaky occasionally has bigger games offensively than BB had ever shown.

 

[EvanstonCat]

I don't expect Chase returns, but I'll be happy to have him if he does.

If he doesn't, he will be missed.

If he does, I'd like to see him on the bench a few more minutes per game so he's not exhausted defending at the end of games.

That is different than saying he is going to have a reduced role and will be passed by Brooks Barnhizer or anyone else on the team.

 

[CoralSpringsCat]

Drugs kill. You people talk about Chase’s streakiness and shot selection, well he can work on his shooting and his shot selection. Apex? Chase’s ceiling is higher than anyone on this team because of his athleticism. Please, the returning DPOY (if he returns) is not having a reduced role. He will still be one of the top 2 players on the team and our defensive leader. He’s a way more complete player than any player on the team and as pointed out probably the only one next to our 7 footer who may have a cup of coffee in the league. Brooks may put up some points but he’s one of our poorer defenders on what is a defense first team that will live and die based on our ability to sustain excellence on that side of the ball. Chase would remain the core of that defensive excellence. Sixth man providing offense off the bench is more likely for BB than displacing our defensive stopper who also being streaky occasionally has bigger games offensively than BB had ever shown.

TrueNU posted a story of Chase, Boo, Story, Sully and Mertz on a charitable visit. I took it to be a good sign that Chase was a participant. Take it for what it’s worth. 🤞

 

[ThatkidfromHolland]

Drugs kill. You people talk about Chase’s streakiness and shot selection, well he can work on his shooting and his shot selection. Apex? Chase’s ceiling is higher than anyone on this team because of his athleticism. Please, the returning DPOY (if he returns) is not having a reduced role. He will still be one of the top 2 players on the team and our defensive leader. He’s a way more complete player than any player on the team and as pointed out probably the only one next to our 7 footer who may have a cup of coffee in the league. Brooks may put up some points but he’s one of our poorer defenders on what is a defense first team that will live and die based on our ability to sustain excellence on that side of the ball. Chase would remain the core of that defensive excellence. Sixth man providing offense off the bench is more likely for BB than displacing our defensive stopper who also being streaky occasionally has bigger games offensively than BB had ever shown.

Brooks was absolutely not one of the poorer defenders. He’s a very scrappy defender and played great for an undersized 4. The best word to describe him on defense was irritant. Did a lot of little things and had good positioning defensively. Very active defender.

 

[phatcat]

TrueNU posted a story of Chase, Boo, Story, Sully and Mertz on a charitable visit. I took it to be a good sign that Chase was a participant. Take it for what it’s worth. 🤞

Can you link the TrueNU story

 

[CoralSpringsCat]

Can you link the TrueNU story

It was a “story” on Instagram, so it’s not a static link. Can’t link it here and it disappears after 24 hours. Sorry. I’ll see if I can find the photo elsewhere.

 

[1830sherman]

This durn new-fangled socialist media. Stuff disappears before you can make a dot-matrix printout!

 

[EvanstonCat]

Brooks was absolutely not one of the poorer defenders. He’s a very scrappy defender and played great for an undersized 4. The best word to describe him on defense was irritant. Did a lot of little things and had good positioning defensively. Very active defender.

everything is relative. I didn’t say he was a bad defender. I said he was amongst our poorest ones on a team of good defenders.

Let’s see amongst the regular rotation, here were the better defenders (tell me who in this group was a worse defender than BB):

Audige
Nicholson
Berry
Beran
TVH
Boo
Roper

Here were the players who were equivalent to worse defenders

Martinelli

One of our poorer defenders. Chase is elite. DPOY of the damn league.

 

[ThatkidfromHolland]

everything is relative. I didn’t say he was a bad defender. I said he was amongst our poorest ones on a team of good defenders.

Let’s see amongst the regular rotation, here were the better defenders (tell me who in this group was a worse defender than BB):

Audige
Nicholson
Berry
Beran
TVH
Boo
Roper

Here were the players who were equivalent to worse defenders

Martinelli

One of our poorer defenders. Chase is elite. DPOY of the damn league.

He was a better defender at his position than Boo, TVH, and Roper. Berry is a little better perimeter, Brooks is noticeably better in the post. He is pretty darn close to Beran in terms of defense just doesn’t have the length Beran had. 4th best defender imo. Very versatile.

 

[IGNORE2]

Drugs kill. You people talk about Chase’s streakiness and shot selection, well he can work on his shooting and his shot selection. Apex? Chase’s ceiling is higher than anyone on this team because of his athleticism. Please, the returning DPOY (if he returns) is not having a reduced role. He will still be one of the top 2 players on the team and our defensive leader. He’s a way more complete player than any player on the team and as pointed out probably the only one next to our 7 footer who may have a cup of coffee in the league. Brooks may put up some points but he’s one of our poorer defenders on what is a defense first team that will live and die based on our ability to sustain excellence on that side of the ball. Chase would remain the core of that defensive excellence. Sixth man providing offense off the bench is more likely for BB than displacing our defensive stopper who also being streaky occasionally has bigger games offensively than BB had ever shown.

I’ll take your money on any BB bet. I saw a kid grow from a variety of facets during his first season of play.

 

[EvanstonCat]

I’ll take your money on any BB bet. I saw a kid grow from a variety of facets during his first season of play.

I bet if chase Audige comes back, BB Will not get more minutes than him barring injury. I bet Audige will score more ppg than BB. I bet he will have more steals. I bet he will be the better player.

 

[EvanstonCat]

He was a better defender at his position than Boo, TVH, and Roper. Berry is a little better perimeter, Brooks is noticeably better in the post. He is pretty darn close to Beran in terms of defense just doesn’t have the length Beran had. 4th best defender imo. Very versatile.

Just no. Maybe boo but probably not. TVH was basically in for defense and rebounding. Limited offensively. And Roper was a way better defender. He wasn’t remotely close to Beran or Berry.

Kid has offensive skills. Let’s just agree that that’s where he contributes the most to the team.

 

[IGNORE2]

I bet if chase Audige comes back, BB Will not get more minutes than him barring injury. I bet Audige will score more ppg than BB. I bet he will have more steals. I bet he will be the better player.

I’ll take that last one.

 

[hollandnucat]

Just no. Maybe boo but probably not. TVH was basically in for defense and rebounding. Limited offensively. And Roper was a way better defender. He wasn’t remotely close to Beran or Berry.

Kid has offensive skills. Let’s just agree that that’s where he contributes the most to the team.

BB is a much better defender than you are saying. To say he was not remotely close to Berry or Roper was way better is not close to reality. BB is a good defender able to guard bigger players in post with his strong core and quickness to guard on perimeter well.

 

[GatoLouco]

Bit puzzling to hear someone say my man BB is not a good defender. Big plums brings it on both sides of the floor.

 

[GatoLouco]

For me, just as puzzling as the opinions that Beran was a great defender.

He was fine. He was not a "poor defender". Had strong points. But also glaring weaknesses. We all see the game with our own bias goggles. I personally can't fathom anyone seeing the UCLA game and be surprised he was benched.

 

[SmellyCat]

For me, just as puzzling as the opinions that Beran was a great defender.

He was fine. He was not a "poor defender". Had strong points. But also glaring weaknesses. We all see the game with our own bias goggles. I personally can't fathom anyone seeing the UCLA game and be surprised he was benched.

I watched the UCLA game with a casual fan and he asked about Beran's game at the tipoff. I told him he'll hit a three early in the game and then never score again, and sure enough, he hit the early three and then disappeared offensively. Always nice that he got that three early so people would be worried about him, but it was amazing how much it seemed like that happened to Beran (in actuality, probably only like three times all season, but it SEEMED like more).

 

[hollandnucat]

One of the things I love about Brooks is he is so well rounded. He can score along with create his own shot, good passer and good defender. Later in the season he seemed to always find a way to contribute even if not scoring.

 

[EagerFan]

That is different than saying he is going to have a reduced role and will be passed by Brooks Barnhizer or anyone else on the team.

I like to think that is what most of the folks talking about a reduced role mean, tho. Maybe I'm being too generous to them, but I don't think so.

 

[CappyNU]

I watched the UCLA game with a casual fan and he asked about Beran's game at the tipoff. I told him he'll hit a three early in the game and then never score again, and sure enough, he hit the early three and then disappeared offensively. Always nice that he got that three early so people would be worried about him, but it was amazing how much it seemed like that happened to Beran (in actuality, probably only like three times all season, but it SEEMED like more).

In 6 of the last 7 games, beran hit exactly one 3, with the exception of the senior night loss to PSU, where he hit 2 (the 7th game was the loss at Maryland where he scored 6 points but all 2s).

 

[clarificationcat]

For me, just as puzzling as the opinions that Beran was a great defender.

He was fine. He was not a "poor defender". Had strong points. But also glaring weaknesses. We all see the game with our own bias goggles. I personally can't fathom anyone seeing the UCLA game and be surprised he was benched.

Watch the game again. And take off your goggles. I watched again and focused on Beran because you are the 2nd person to suggest he had a bad game defensively. In the first half, Jaquez scored one basket when Beran guarded him. It was a 3 when Beran helped on someone driving to the basket. In the 2nd half, I don’t think anyone Beran guarded scored. He left Jaquez open for a 3 trailing on a break but Jaquez missed it badly. He got pulled 4 minutes into the half. I am not sure if he came back in the game. Beran got benched for offense and perhaps because he got the ball stolen dribbling up the court. He played 12 minutes total. I’m not sure what you saw but it wasn’t Beran playing bad defense.

 

[GatoLouco]

Watch the game again. And take off your goggles. I watched again and focused on Beran because you are the 2nd person to suggest he had a bad game defensively. In the first half, Jaquez scored one basket when Beran guarded him. It was a 3 when Beran helped on someone driving to the basket. In the 2nd half, I don’t think anyone Beran guarded scored. He left Jaquez open for a 3 trailing on a break but Jaquez missed it badly. He got pulled 4 minutes into the half. I am not sure if he came back in the game. Beran got benched for offense and perhaps because he got the ball stolen dribbling up the court. He played 12 minutes total. I’m not sure what you saw but it wasn’t Beran playing bad defense.

I fully admit I have goggles myself. We all do. I am not immune.

But I can tell you that evaluating one's defense solely by who scores on them is a very limited way of seeing one's defense.

 

[clarificationcat]

I fully admit I have goggles myself. We all do. I am not immune.

But I can tell you that evaluating one's defense solely by who scores on them is a very limited way of seeing one's defense.

OK. How did he play play bad defense then? I’m sincerely asking. Like I said, I found it interesting that a couple of people pointed it out (I don’t think it was you twice). He only played 12 minutes. I just focused on him. The guys he guarded took 3 shots, I think, and made one. Nobody he was guarding beat him off the dribble or created an easy basket for a teammate. He had one non-shooting foul denying the ball in the post and gave up a basket on a fast break when he committed to the ballhandler. The guy he in theory was matched up against scored a bunch of point so I assume the folks who didn’t like Beran thought he had a bad game defensively. He shot an air ball on an uncontested 5 foot floater which pissed Collins off but his offense is another story…

 

[GatoLouco]

OK. How did he play play bad defense then? I’m sincerely asking. Like I said, I found it interesting that a couple of people pointed it out (I don’t think it was you twice). He only played 12 minutes. I just focused on him. The guys he guarded took 3 shots, I think, and made one. Nobody he was guarding beat him off the dribble or created an easy basket for a teammate. He had one non-shooting foul denying the ball in the post and gave up a basket on a fast break when he committed to the ballhandler. The guy he in theory was matched up against scored a bunch of point so I assume the folks who didn’t like Beran thought he had a bad game defensively. He shot an air ball on an uncontested 5 foot floater which pissed Collins off but his offense is another story…

I am probably not going to watch the game again. So I can't add to what I already wrote, based on my memory and, yes, my biases.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

OK. How did he play play bad defense then? I’m sincerely asking. Like I said, I found it interesting that a couple of people pointed it out (I don’t think it was you twice). He only played 12 minutes. I just focused on him. The guys he guarded took 3 shots, I think, and made one. Nobody he was guarding beat him off the dribble or created an easy basket for a teammate. He had one non-shooting foul denying the ball in the post and gave up a basket on a fast break when he committed to the ballhandler. The guy he in theory was matched up against scored a bunch of point so I assume the folks who didn’t like Beran thought he had a bad game defensively. He shot an air ball on an uncontested 5 foot floater which pissed Collins off but his offense is another story…

I was surprised to look back and see Martinelli only played 5 minutes.

The one thing I can point to is that when Nicholson and Beran were in the frontcourt, we got outscored 21-13 in 11 minutes. When Nicholson and Barnhizer were in the frontcourt, we stomped UCLA 43-30 in about 23 minutes.

When Verhoeven was on the court, we got beat up 16-5.

UCLA was scoring more and we were scoring less when Verhoeven or Beran was on the court.

 

[clarificationcat]

I was surprised to look back and see Martinelli only played 5 minutes.

The one thing I can point to is that when Nicholson and Beran were in the frontcourt, we got outscored 21-13 in 11 minutes. When Nicholson and Barnhizer were in the frontcourt, we stomped UCLA 43-30 in about 23 minutes.

When Verhoeven was on the court, we got beat up 16-5.

UCLA was scoring more and we were scoring less when Verhoeven or Beran was on the court.

Do you need to comment on every post? Really. This exchange is about Beran playing awful defense against UCLA. I actually rewatched the 12 minutes that he played. Not saying he played great defense. Just not noticeably bad. In my view, he got pulled for his offense. Barnhizer was 1 for 9 with 0 assists. The reason we outscored UCLA with him on the court was because Audige and Buie hit shots in the 2nd half when he was on the court. It’s pretty much that simple. If there is a reason we lost that game it’s because he and Berry shot 2 for 17.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

Do you need to comment on every post? Really. This exchange is about Beran playing awful defense against UCLA. I actually rewatched the 12 minutes that he played. Not saying he played great defense. Just not noticeably bad. In my view, he got pulled for his offense. Barnhizer was 1 for 9 with 0 assists. The reason we outscored UCLA with him on the court was because Audige and Buie hit shots in the 2nd half when he was on the court. It’s pretty much that simple. If there is a reason we lost that game it’s because he and Berry shot 2 for 17.

Whats with the constantly negative attitude?
I'm providing information that you don't have.
It is exactly on topic and adds to the discussion.
I didn't disagree with you in any way.
There's nothing to be offended about.
Its a message board, where interested parties are actually allowed to comment, and should be encouraged to comment, regardless of your personal feelings.