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Braun took eight games to equal the win total of Fitz’s final 24

I wasn't expecting anything coming into today's game.

Sullivan really impressed me, and Braun is obviously coaching the team well; defensively the team is night and day compared to when JON was DC.

After the first quarter, we got lots of stops and basically held Maryland to 1 TD and 2 FGs (with both FGs coming in our red zone, critical defensive stands that ended long drives with just 3 points on each).

Felt like a bend but don't break kind of defense that worked against a Maryland team that's been explosive against a lot of other teams.
 
Fitz deserves plenty of credit for the new hires.

I was happy with the hires when they happened (going for proven young/hungry coaches made sense) but obviously having Braun in place to take over has meant far more than his original hiring (which already meant alot replacing JON).

Braun has exceeded any reasonable expectations.
 
@NUCat320 Will you give Fitz any credit for bringing in Braun?
Yeah, I was a huge fan of the Braun hire. I had no skepticism about the jump in level.

When it all went down, I expected a disaster this season. Howard and UTEP and winless in the conference. But the ability of Braun to hold this team together has been notable.

On the one hand, of course the defense is playing better and with more enthusiasm — they’ve got a DC who knows what he’s doing and doesn’t confuse them and put them in positions to fail.

On the other hand, how many of today’s four field goals are failed fourth downs under the previous leadership?

After I posted this, I regretted bringing up Fitz. Fitz is the past and this present team is, against all odds, fun. But also, I think Braun doing double-duty is a better head coach than the Fitz who was fired.
 
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Yep. Long way to go to catch Hungry Fitz but easy enough to catch Complacent Fitz.
:rolleyes: We have enough people doing stupid nicknames here, let’s not add another.

A number of factors combined for us to have very poor seasons in 21 and 22. For example, in an alternative timeline, the Colorado state record holder for passing yards and passing TDs in a career, season, game, and half, and highly touted recruit at the QB position, could be in his 3rd year starting for the Cats after redshirting in 2020 behind Ramsey. He’s not. We’ve been a revolving door at the position, and we’re in the timeline we’re in.

Fitz is the past and he’s gone, not coming back. You can feel however you want to feel about it, but there’s no reason to denigrate what he did at NU. He’s our best ever coach, period.
 
:rolleyes: We have enough people doing stupid nicknames here, let’s not add another.

A number of factors combined for us to have very poor seasons in 21 and 22. For example, in an alternative timeline, the Colorado state record holder for passing yards and passing TDs in a career, season, game, and half, and highly touted recruit at the QB position, could be in his 3rd year starting for the Cats after redshirting in 2020 behind Ramsey. He’s not. We’ve been a revolving door at the position, and we’re in the timeline we’re in.

Fitz is the past and he’s gone, not coming back. You can feel however you want to feel about it, but there’s no reason to denigrate what he did at NU. He’s our best ever coach, period.
Our QB recruiting has been ass since Thorson. Then another 4 (5?) Years back to Trevor. Essentially 3 functional QB recruits in 16 years.
 

Meredith, who later decommitted from Northwestern, is now at Purdue.
I am mostly responding to the 3 functional QBs comment. From 2007-2019 (not counting the actual 2019 season) the program put an above average to quite good QB on the field. It was hard to recruit under entrenched 4 year starter Thorson, yes, and we had misses and decommits.

Every single person had a hard on for Hunter Johnson as the next big thing (as we should have, he would have been viewed as a program changer coming from high school) until it was obvious he couldn’t play. We’ve been on the carousel since.
 
I am mostly responding to the 3 functional QBs comment. From 2007-2019 (not counting the actual 2019 season) the program put an above average to quite good QB on the field. It was hard to recruit under entrenched 4 year starter Thorson, yes, and we had misses and decommits.

Every single person had a hard on for Hunter Johnson as the next big thing (as we should have, he would have been viewed as a program changer coming from high school) until it was obvious he couldn’t play. We’ve been on the carousel since.
If I recall correctly, Persa (and back) were Walker recruits. Sorry, I thought we were discussing the glory and/or shortcomings of St. Patrick. Also counting guys that actually matriculated and played. So Thor, Colter and Siemian. Then Sullivan I guess. Who did I miss
 
I am mostly responding to the 3 functional QBs comment. From 2007-2019 (not counting the actual 2019 season) the program put an above average to quite good QB on the field. It was hard to recruit under entrenched 4 year starter Thorson, yes, and we had misses and decommits.

Every single person had a hard on for Hunter Johnson as the next big thing (as we should have, he would have been viewed as a program changer coming from high school) until it was obvious he couldn’t play. We’ve been on the carousel since.
“Actually, quarterback recruiting since Thorson hasn’t been awful” is a very weird stance to take.

Fitz was pretty apathetic at the end. It’s good for the program that he’s gone.
 
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If I recall correctly, Persa (and back) were Walker recruits. Sorry, I thought we were discussing the glory and/or shortcomings of St. Patrick. Also counting guys that actually matriculated and played. So Thor, Colter and Siemian. Then Sullivan I guess. Who did I miss
Im not trying to argue that he was perfect as a coach or person. I just don’t have some innate hate that seemingly some harbor and I’m willing to give him credit for some of the best football this program has seen. Performance wise, there was some bad luck, but he did make his bed. Fitz was on staff and recruiting coordinator when Persa and before were recruited, FWIW (maybe not much).

You’re missing Alviti (and Ramsey, if we are holding Johnson and Hilinski against the staff).
 
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I am mostly responding to the 3 functional QBs comment. From 2007-2019 (not counting the actual 2019 season) the program put an above average to quite good QB on the field. It was hard to recruit under entrenched 4 year starter Thorson, yes, and we had misses and decommits.

Every single person had a hard on for Hunter Johnson as the next big thing (as we should have, he would have been viewed as a program changer coming from high school) until it was obvious he couldn’t play. We’ve been on the carousel since.
Yes everyone was excited about Hunter because he was a former 5* transferring from Clemson. We aren’t the ones who evaluated his talent poorly, offered him, and decided to start him.

That’s not back luck, it’s bad recruiting.
 
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Yes everyone was excited about Hunter because he was a former 5* transferring from Clemson. We aren’t the ones who evaluated his talent poorly, offered him, and decided to start him.

That’s not back luck, it’s bad recruiting.
Remember that Hunter was dealing with some difficult issues with his family at the time.
 
Remember that Hunter was dealing with some difficult issues with his family at the time.
I’m sympathetic. His mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and had a double mastectomy in October 2019. I can’t imagine.

Let’s call it what it is: he was bad that year, he didn’t start the next year and never played, he was bad the year after, and then he transferred and never played.

I don’t think it’s fair to make it about his mom’s health.
 
Yes everyone was excited about Hunter because he was a former 5* transferring from Clemson. We aren’t the ones who evaluated his talent poorly, offered him, and decided to start him.

That’s not back luck, it’s bad recruiting.
Wasn’t Hilinski also a highly rated transfer? And wasn’t there a QB that the Cats lost before signing Sully?
 
“After I posted this, I regretted bringing up Fitz. Fitz is the past and this present team is, against all odds, fun.”

This.

There can be threads in the future to rehash things related to Fitz, but I completely agree that there’s no need to make comparisons between the current and former coaches at this time.

Enjoy that this ‘Cats team actually has a viable pathway to a bowl invite, not to mention an outside chance to win the division two thirds of the way through the season.

Meaningful November football games are ahead, even if NU will be large underdogs.

Exciting stuff.
 
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On Fitz vs Braun: Last year you could feel the team had given up. Yes, schematically JON was worst-case scenario which hurt on the field. But Fitz was not able to overcome that self-inflicted damage. I suspect JON took a toll on Fitz's credibility in the locker room. He failed to motivate last year's team to play with the fire and belief this team is playing with.

Are they playing with that fire because of Braun, or because the team is fuelled by a bigger 'Cat's against the world' fight? And is that fight a positive reflection of Fitz's ability to motivate? Hard to say.

But it seems:
- Fitz was likely losing some impact in the locker room last year
- Braun is more real/authentic/accountable, versus Fitz's stonewalling, (A leadership approach I prefer)
- This team - even with less talent - has more self-belief, resilience, and potential than those of the past two seasons.

We aren't in a bad place right now. A competent administration could find a way to build on it. I am not looking forward to seeing how Schill and Gragg screw up the transition to a permanent coach (whoever that might be).
 
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The comparison stuff had already started, so irrelevant at that point. (Also, it’s fun to read defenses of Fitz, and also it’s notable how they’ve dwindled.)
 
I’m sympathetic. His mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and had a double mastectomy in October 2019. I can’t imagine.

Let’s call it what it is: he was bad that year, he didn’t start the next year and never played, he was bad the year after, and then he transferred and never played.

I don’t think it’s fair to make it about his mom’s health.
Fitz would have been rightfully crucified if he didn’t take a shot with Hunter. It wasn’t bad recruiting at all. Everyone would have took him as a transfer. It likely was terrible player development and maybe a miss on the intangibles but he clearly had more arm talent and athletic talent than what we had in the QB room.
 
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