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Collins quote from after the game

FWIW, the 2010-11 team got an 8th B1G win in the BTT. Also, all 11 teams in the B1G in 2010-11 finished the season in kenpom's top 100. This season, there were 4 B1G teams outside kenpom's top 100. Not coincidentally, 5 of our 8 wins came against those 4 teams--and 2 more were against Nebraska who finished the season at kenpom 95.

It makes me sad to see you reduced to a troll, backdoor. :-(

And still no credit for the injuries we dealt with this season? Collins is not a fault for Law missing the season, unlike Carmody, who DID hold responsibility for Coble missing that last season.
 
It makes me sad to see you reduced to a troll, backdoor. :-(

And still no credit for the injuries we dealt with this season? Collins is not a fault for Law missing the season, unlike Carmody, who DID hold responsibility for Coble missing that last season.

I don't get why sticking up for the kids who played on a prior successful team makes someone a troll. And players get hurt every season: Shurna's high ankle sprain and concussion, Crawford's shoulder, Cobb's hip and feet and knees, Swopshire, etc. It happens to all teams. You may have disliked the coach, that is your prerogative. But don't crap on the players who played their tails off.
 
I don't get why sticking up for the kids who played on a prior successful team makes someone a troll. And players get hurt every season: Shurna's high ankle sprain and concussion, Crawford's shoulder, Cobb's hip and feet and knees, Swopshire, etc. It happens to all teams. You may have disliked the coach, that is your prerogative. But don't crap on the players who played their tails off.

Agreed, Fitzphile.

That's classless, Virginia.
 
In an 11 team conference, you have a 1st round game and play against a disappointing 6-12 lower seed MN team that had just lost 9 of 10 down the stretch.. A welcome 8th win but an easier matchup than this year. And again, I did not say this team was better. just that it was at a similar level.

In a 14 team B1G, you have Rutgers! Rutgers. Rutgers just finished the season at kenpom 290! And you are knocking the 8th win in 2011 against a Minnesota team that finished the season at kenpom 58?!!

Note: I am following your line of thinking in this thread and agree with you a lot more than it seems, but I just can't let this slide.
 
FWIW, the 2010-11 team got an 8th B1G win in the BTT. Also, all 11 teams in the B1G in 2010-11 finished the season in kenpom's top 100. This season, there were 4 B1G teams outside kenpom's top 100. Not coincidentally, 5 of our 8 wins came against those 4 teams--and 2 more were against Nebraska who finished the season at kenpom 95.
So?
 
I don't get why sticking up for the kids who played on a prior successful team makes someone a troll. And players get hurt every season: Shurna's high ankle sprain and concussion, Crawford's shoulder, Cobb's hip and feet and knees, Swopshire, etc. It happens to all teams. You may have disliked the coach, that is your prerogative. But don't crap on the players who played their tails off.
We still don't know if Carmody craped on the kids who played for him, or maybe we do know in the case of Coble. His silence towards his past players and the university that paid him millions is deafening. Now go post your Collins and Phillips hate on the Holy Cross board. Bill might even have something to say, or not.
 
You may have disliked the coach, that is your prerogative. But don't crap on the players who played their tails off.

What players did I crap on? Is it not true that Coble not playing that last season is partly Carmody's responsibility? How is that crapping on a player? Seriously, tell me...
 
So, there's clearly a difference between 8 B1G wins against good/decent teams in one season vs. winning the same number of B1G games against 7 poor/bad teams and 1 good team in another season.

This team was better than all but one or two of Carmody's teams.

Carmody never could get those 20 wins in the regular season. Collins winning percentage is far better than Carmody's. How does that make you feel, backdoor? Aren't you pumped for the future of NU hoops? lol
 
This team was better than all but one or two of Carmody's teams.

Carmody never could get those 20 wins in the regular season. Collins winning percentage is far better than Carmody's. How does that make you feel, backdoor? Aren't you pumped for the future of NU hoops? lol

I am actually pumped for the future of NU hoops. I really like Chris Collins. Since 1991, I have always been optimistic that the next year would be THE YEAR. I decided to have some fun being a sarcastic jerk in this thread just because the original post was pretty silly. That said, if we're being honest, we can admit that this year's 20-win season was a bit thin, right? We were an okay basketball team, but we didn't beat anyone. CC has not yet equaled BC's best teams in terms of competing with good teams, but his recruiting is much better. I think that we will miss Demps and Olah next season, but I honestly think we will be a borderline top 25 team in 2017-18. Chris Collins will take us to the NCAA Tournament, and I will love every minute of it.
 
So, there's clearly a difference between 8 B1G wins against good/decent teams in one season vs. winning the same number of B1G games against 7 poor/bad teams and 1 good team in another season.
BD, did you ever hear the phrase, "that you play who's on your schedule"?
 
That said, if we're being honest, we can admit that this year's 20-win season was a bit thin, right?

We are taking about Northwestern basketball. There is no such thing a 20 wins being "too thin" unless you're still bitter that it wasn't done by the previous coach.
 
We are taking about Northwestern basketball. There is no such thing a 20 wins being "too thin" unless you're still bitter that it wasn't done by the previous coach.

There is definitely no bitterness about us winning 20 games this season. I'm excited about it. I was hoping like crazy that we would make the NIT and keep stacking up wins. That said, between us fans, our schedule this season was ridiculous. You know we still have a ways to go.
 
BD, did you ever hear the phrase, "that you play who's on your schedule"?

Absolutely.

I am a tennis player. I am 8-2 in 2016 against my wife, my neighbor, my son and my son's best friend. Incidentally, Roger Federer is also 8-2 in pro tournaments in 2016. Should I extrapolate that I am equal to Federer? Am I one of the best players in the world because I have a good record against the players on my schedule?
 
Lots of NU folks easy to please with the stupid 20 wins. Team/program is doing fine but to hold up the 2015-16 season as a great season by any definition is a joke.
 
Absolutely.

I am a tennis player. I am 8-2 in 2016 against my wife, my neighbor, my son and my son's best friend. Incidentally, Roger Federer is also 8-2 in pro tournaments in 2016. Should I extrapolate that I am equal to Federer? Am I one of the best players in the world because I have a good record against the players on my schedule?

That might be the worst example ever. Who here has said NU basketball is comparable to the Roger Federer of college hoops!? Stop making things up. We equaled Carmody's best conference win total (you can't make your own conference schedule, by the way) without one of our best players (which you keep pleasantly ignoring). Give credit where it's due instead of being an ass...
 
We are taking about Northwestern basketball. There is no such thing a 20 wins being "too thin" unless you're still bitter that it wasn't done by the previous coach.
It was the winningest regular season in Northwestern history.
It was not the best season in Northwestern history.
Carmody did not have the best season either.
Arthur Lonborg did.
Why don't we have a banner for the 1933 team yet?
Nobody has ever gotten us back to THAT level in the 83 years since.

Anyway, I don't give a damn how easy the schedule was, it was still nice to see us win 20 in the regular season for the first time ever. The OOC was pretty bad in a lot of seasons that I can recall. I just don't remember us beating all those bad teams in years past ... hell, we almost didn't this year either.

I actually think we scheduled appropriately given where our program was. If we do it AGAIN, I'll be pissed.
 
It was the winningest regular season in Northwestern history.
It was not the best season in Northwestern history.
Carmody did not have the best season either.
Arthur Lonborg did.
Why don't we have a banner for the 1933 team yet?
Nobody has ever gotten us back to THAT level in the 83 years since.

Anyway, I don't give a damn how easy the schedule was, it was still nice to see us win 20 in the regular season for the first time ever. The OOC was pretty bad in a lot of seasons that I can recall. I just don't remember us beating all those bad teams in years past ... hell, we almost didn't this year either.

I actually think we scheduled appropriately given where our program was. If we do it AGAIN, I'll be pissed.

If we do it again, you'll be pissed?

Don't you think next year is the perfect time for another cupcake schedule to squeak into an nit?
 
"You older guys, man, thank you. Me and my staff will do anything for you guys. What you've done for us these three years, to get this where it is.. you guys were amazing to coach. Amazing to coahc. You guys hold your heads high. Hold your heads high. [To Demps] You're about to become a dad. That's awesome. That's awesome.

"We gotta know deep down inside. We gotta know. It's gotta be a burning fire in us coming in next year. There's gotta be a fire in our group going forward that we've never seen before. Because I promise you I'm going to have it."

This is why he is the right coach for NU.

But, but,but BC just won the play-in game at Holy Cross....
 
"I am so happy that we have 20 regular season wins. This has been the best season of my life. I love having only 1 postseason game. This is so much better than the NIT years when we had fewer wins. I love comparing Collins to Carmody because Carmody sucks. Carmody couldn't get Northwestern into the NCAA tournament, even though he took his other two schools in. Northwestern's NCAA drought has everything to do with the incompetence of Carmody and every one of the 11 coaches before him, and has nothing to do with Northwestern. Chris Collins is God. 20 regular season wins = best season ever. He has taken us to the promiseland because he has proven to be a much much better coach than Carmody. I hope Carmody loses on Friday 234-0"

This is what some of us sound like.
 
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"I am so happy that we have 20 regular season wins. This has been the best season of my life. I love having only 1 postseason game. This is so much better than the NIT years when we had fewer wins. I love comparing Collins to Carmody because Carmody sucks. Carmody couldn't get Northwestern into the NCAA tournament, even though he took his other two schools in. Northwestern's NCAA drought has everything to do with the incompetence of Carmody and every one of the 11 coaches before him, and has nothing to do with Northwestern. Chris Collins is God. 20 regular season wins = best season ever. He has taken us to the promiseland because he has proven to be a much much better coach than Carmody. I hope Carmody loses on Friday 234-0"

This is what some of us sound like.
Yeah...not at all, but good try. 6/10.
 
"I am so happy that we have 20 regular season wins. This has been the best season of my life. I love having only 1 postseason game. This is so much better than the NIT years when we had fewer wins. I love comparing Collins to Carmody because Carmody sucks. Carmody couldn't get Northwestern into the NCAA tournament, even though he took his other two schools in. Northwestern's NCAA drought has everything to do with the incompetence of Carmody and every one of the 11 coaches before him, and has nothing to do with Northwestern. Chris Collins is God. 20 regular season wins = best season ever. He has taken us to the promiseland because he has proven to be a much much better coach than Carmody. I hope Carmody loses on Friday 234-0"

This is what some of us sound like.

lame
 
"I am so happy that we have 20 regular season wins. This has been the best season of my life. I love having only 1 postseason game. This is so much better than the NIT years when we had fewer wins. I love comparing Collins to Carmody because Carmody sucks. Carmody couldn't get Northwestern into the NCAA tournament, even though he took his other two schools in. Northwestern's NCAA drought has everything to do with the incompetence of Carmody and every one of the 11 coaches before him, and has nothing to do with Northwestern. Chris Collins is God. 20 regular season wins = best season ever. He has taken us to the promiseland because he has proven to be a much much better coach than Carmody. I hope Carmody loses on Friday 234-0"

This is what some of us sound like.
Sounds like it's time for you to also go the Holy Cross and cheer on those high powered champs.
 
In a 14 team B1G, you have Rutgers! Rutgers. Rutgers just finished the season at kenpom 290! And you are knocking the 8th win in 2011 against a Minnesota team that finished the season at kenpom 58?!!

Note: I am following your line of thinking in this thread and agree with you a lot more than it seems, but I just can't let this slide.
It was a BTT game and this year we faced a 10-8 Michigan. I would say that this years Michigan team is a lot more formidable than that years MN that lost 10 or their last 11. Just saying that winning a BTT game back then was more similar to winning a first round play in game this year.
 
In a 14 team B1G, you have Rutgers! Rutgers. Rutgers just finished the season at kenpom 290! And you are knocking the 8th win in 2011 against a Minnesota team that finished the season at kenpom 58?!!

Note: I am following your line of thinking in this thread and agree with you a lot more than it seems, but I just can't let this slide.
First, every conference has a Rutgers like team (or two) and we only played them once. Back then, getting to play against MN in the BTT was closer to playing a first round play in game this year. Compare that years MN (that lost 10 of their last 11 and should not have been anywhere close to 58) to this years opponent in Mich that is now in the NCAA field of 64 and I would suggest that it was a welcome 8th win but was like winning a game against NEB, IL, or MN this year.

And just to be clear, that year, we were 2-0 against a 3 win IND team, 2-0 against a 4 win IA team and 2 -1 against a 6 win MN The other two wins were against a 9-9 IL and 9-9 Mich. Not much different than this year. Just not the juggernaut that has been suggested.
 
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First, every conference has a Rutgers like team (or two) and we only played them once. Back then, getting to play against MN was closer to playing a first round play in game this year. Compare that years MN (that lost 10 of their last 11) to this years opponent in Mich that is now in the NCAA field of 64 and I would suggest that it was a welcome 8th win but was like winning a game against NEB, IL, or MN this year.

You won't get a response. I don't think backdoor is interested in facts. He clearly has a false narrative to push...
 
So, there's clearly a difference between 8 B1G wins against good/decent teams in one season vs. winning the same number of B1G games against 7 poor/bad teams and 1 good team in another season.
How was it winning against good to descent teams? We had 6 or our 8 wins that year against the bottom three teams in the BIG and the other two against 9-9 teams. so no wins against a BIG team with a winning BIG conference record. Basically the quality was pretty comparable. And we got to play 7 games against the bottom three teams in the conference that year vs only 4 this year ( 6 if you take the bottom 4 teams) We were forth worst and the only other games we won were against two teams of the four teams that were tied for the spot right above us. In other words for all the rhetoric, we really did not beat anyone that year either.
 
How was it winning against good to descent teams? We had 6 or our 8 wins that year against the bottom three teams in the BIG and the other two against 9-9 teams. so no wins against a BIG team with a winning BIG conference record. Basically the quality was pretty comparable. And we got to play 7 games against the bottom three teams in the conference that year vs only 4 this year ( 6 if you take the bottom 4 teams) We were forth worst and the only other games we won were against two teams of the four teams that were tied for the spot right above us. In other words for all the rhetoric, we really did not beat anyone that year either.

I'm just saying that there's a difference between 8 wins against kenpom 19-92 vs. 7 of 8 wins against kenpom 95-290. And you know this.
 
Lots of NU folks easy to please with the stupid 20 wins. Team/program is doing fine but to hold up the 2015-16 season as a great season by any definition is a joke.
No one said it was a great season. Only a solid one at a similar level to those of BC (unless you figured that they were great)
 
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I'm just saying that there's a difference between 8 wins against kenpom 19-92 vs. 7 of 8 wins against kenpom 95-290. And you know this.
You play the teams on the schedule. The fact is that during 2010/11 we did not really beat anyone in conference. We played 7 games against the bottom three and won 6 of the 8 games we won that year. The other wins were against 0.500 conference teams. Everyone else who you claim made the road so daunting, we lost to. So basically you could say we had two good wins vs marginal Dance teams and this year one against a better one. OOC wins also seem similar as well winning against an NIT bound GT. Just suggesting that the two teams were closer than you seem willing to accept.

And by the way, id in 2010/11, we had only played the bottom 3 teams 4 times like we did this year rather than at least 2 times each and 7 total times as we did, and instead played higher ranked teams more (like we did this year) we would have likely won 2 or three less games Or this year, if we had been able to play Rutgers and IL twice each instead of who we played, we could have won more.

Look I am not saying that this team is better than the 2010/11 but I am saying is is pretty close to the same level. That a 3-15 (12 wins overall) Indiana, a 4-14 IA (11 wins overall) team or MN team that lost 10 of their last 11 deserved a rating in the top 100 seems questionable at best.
 
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I am going to note this thread at the inevitable time in the future when Collins breaks most every coaching record that we have, and trolls like Mystic have long faded into the posting sunset.
 
I am going to note this thread at the inevitable time in the future when Collins breaks most every coaching record that we have, and trolls like Mystic have long faded into the posting sunset.
I just feel that this year represented a significant point in the CCC era. Basically in changing coaches we were taking a step back to take two steps (or hopefully more) forward and this year represented the first of those forward steps getting us back to a similar level to where BC had gotten us to.
 
I just feel that this year represented a significant point in the CCC era. Basically in changing coaches we were taking a step back to take two steps (or hopefully more) forward and this year represented the first of those forward steps getting us back to a similar level to where BC had gotten us to.

I agree that we're getting back to a similar level. And I expect us to break through that ceiling over the next two seasons.
 
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