Don't Hate Me, But I Want to Talk Purdue

[Hungry Jack]

The team that won our conference regular season, and then won our tournament, gets a #1 seed and then bounced by a ~300ish KenPom team that is the shortest in tournament.

What does that say about our conference?

I think we all knew Purdue was vulnerable with those freshman guards, and the strategy to work Edey over physically (either by making him move a lot, or simply beating on him a la Big Matt) could be effective. But losing to FDU?

A fair amount of blame falls on Painter, who is perfecting the art of losing to double-digit seeds.

But I think PU's success in conference is that we play a Norris-division style of hoop that emphasizes a lot of interior play, dribble-penetration/isolation, and generally a style you don't see as much in other conferences. PU's Edey advantage was ideal for playing in the B1G, but not so much in the tournament. If PU plays UCLA, Houston, Bama, they lose by double digits. Princeton would probably spank them too.

I'm no hoops scholar, and I love B1G basketball, but it seems our conference style of play is out of sync with what the best teams do on offense.

Just some uneducated musings. Would love to hear yours.

GOOOOOCATS!

 

[AdamOnFirst]

The team that won our conference regular season, and then won our tournament, gets a #1 seed and then bounced by a ~300ish KenPom team that is the shortest in tournament.

What does that say about our conference?

I think we all knew Purdue was vulnerable with those freshman guards, and the strategy to work Edey over physically (either by making him move a lot, or simply beating on him a la Big Matt) could be effective. But losing to FDU?

A fair amount of blame falls on Painter, who is perfecting the art of losing to double-digit seeds.

But I think PU's success in conference is that we play a Norris-division style of hoop that emphasizes a lot of interior play, dribble-penetration/isolation, and generally a style you don't see as much in other conferences. PU's Edey advantage was ideal for playing in the B1G, but not so much in the tournament. If PU plays UCLA, Houston, Bama, they lose by double digits. Princeton would probably spank them too.

I'm no hoops scholar, and I love B1G basketball, but it seems our conference style of play is out of sync with what the best teams do on offense.

Just some uneducated musings. Would love to hear yours.

GOOOOOCATS!

I think the Big Ten’s issues in the tourney are less in terms of style of play and more in terms of not having any elite programs plus Purdue’s Painter problems being specific to Painter. Purdue’s lack of offensive adjustment was PATHETIC in that game, that was a total failure of coaching. It’s tough to be a #1 seed when you have a very painfully obvious and major weakness that is easy to exploit.

The Big Ten has probably had enough high seeds fail outside Purdue that there is some stylistic correlation, but for the most part the Purdue has its own problems and the Big Ten just doesn’t produce many elite teams you’d expect to go deep.

 

[BleedingPurple15]

People talked a lot about Purdue's style of play after that loss - and I agree that it's an issue - but if any of the other four guys on the floor outside of Edey could make wide open threes, they would've won that game going away. By the end of the game, FDU was basically not guarding anybody on the perimeter and the pressure of the moment and the fear of an upset got into the Purdue players' heads that they couldn't make shots anyway.

 

[Hungry Jack]

As an aside, I will posit that our best tournament team may be PSU, which took Texas down to the wire. Pickett is such a unique player with his ability to give them a post presence on offense while also being a perimeter threat (shoot or dribble drive). What an asset to have!

 

[No Chores]

Painter insisting that his team get the ball inside to Edey was poor coaching at the very least. Edey is not a great player in my opinion, he's simply huge. He is slow and he brings the ball down way too often after rebounds. It's difficult to imagine that he will be a great NBA player, since he has no range outside of 8 feet from the basket. If Purdue had simply planted Edey just outside the lane down low, allowing their guards and wings to take their smaller defenders to the hoop, they would have won easily, and Edey could have cleaned up misses down low on the other side.

 

[NUCat320]

Painter insisting that his team get the ball inside to Edey was poor coaching at the very least. Edey is not a great player in my opinion, he's simply huge. He is slow and he brings the ball down way too often after rebounds. It's difficult to imagine that he will be a great NBA player, since he has no range outside of 8 feet from the basket. If Purdue had simply planted Edey just outside the lane down low, allowing their guards and wings to take their smaller defenders to the hoop, they would have won easily, and Edey could have cleaned up misses down low on the other side.

Purdue’s roster is Edey and a bunch of guys. Edey got one shot in the last 12 minutes, and we saw what it looked like. (It would have been fun to see Edey as a primary option with Ivey last year, but it was the other way around.)


The B1G is not a great conference. Pretty sure that idea is gone.

Both the Big 12 and SEC are definitively ahead now. (I still get confused by A&M and Mizzou as SEC schools.)

It’s no coincidence that the B1G and PAC (Arizona) and ACC (UVa) served up the embarrassing losses this season. The SEC and Big 12 allow virtually no nights off.

That said, anything in the last two weekends of March is gravy. I’m happy that basketball is about the *regular season*.

 

[Hungry Jack]

Purdue’s roster is Edey and a bunch of guys. Edey got one shot in the last 12 minutes, and we saw what it looked like. (It would have been fun to see Edey as a primary option with Ivey last year, but it was the other way around.)


The B1G is not a great conference. Pretty sure that idea is gone.

Both the Big 12 and SEC are definitively ahead now. (I still get confused by A&M and Mizzou as SEC schools.)

It’s no coincidence that the B1G and PAC (Arizona) and ACC (UVa) served up the embarrassing losses this season. The SEC and Big 12 allow virtually no nights off.

That said, anything in the last two weekends of March is gravy. I’m happy that basketball is about the *regular season*.

Kudos to that new Mizzou coach, Dennis Gates, for rebuilding the mess that Martin left behind and getting that team into the tournament. Kobe Brown is fun to watch.

But watching them get schooled by a very good Princeton team was painful. The offensive scheme reverted to one guy dribble around while the other four stand and watch. It reminded me of LIttle Hungry's middle school team (something I am determined to remedy). It looked like they forgot how to play without the ball.

 

[NUCat320]

Kudos to that new Mizzou coach, Dennis Gates, for rebuilding the mess that Martin left behind and getting that team into the tournament. Kobe Brown is fun to watch.

But watching them get schooled by a very good Princeton team was painful. The offensive scheme reverted to one guy dribble around while the other four stand and watch. It reminded me of LIttle Hungry's middle school team (something I am determined to remedy). It looked like they forgot how to play without the ball.

(This is true. I considered only Arizona’s Princeton embarrassment and not Mizzou’s.)

 

[FeralFelidae]

I thought our conference was weaker than advertised when we lost the Big Ten-ACC Challenge.

 

[phatcat]

Among all other B1G and PU flaws, the tourney is a small man's game

 

[catfans5]

There are few players in the B10 who can create their own shot, can be described as slashers, great athletes, and have quickness.

Wisconsin and Purdue are trapped in the 90s. No idea what Fran and Underwood are doing. Rutgers and NU play the defensive juggernaut, but it comes down to can you scored. Aside from Princeton, SEC, Big East and B12 are playing a totally different style of basketball. They are athletic, can put the ball on the deck, and can shoot. This year, B10 had very little of these traits. B10 plays strangle ball. The conference had been passed by. Frankly, the only was for this to change is for Izzo, Painter, Gard, and Fran to go away and some younger coaches enter the picture. The only African American coaches are at Indy, PSU, Mich, and Minny. This has to change. Otherwise, we will see the same results.

 

[hoosboot]

Among all other B1G and PU flaws, the tourney is a small man's game

THIS. Starting non-elite freshman guards is a recipe for getting you bounced in the tournament. It's no shock that NU's best years been with veteran guard play.

 

[ballerog711]

If Collins can get the players he wants, NU can be something speciaL

What they did with Matt this year was incredible.. Still has a long way to go,, but the had him hedging screens and being a major part of the rotation. He has become a lob threat and can catch and move the ball from the post. Still has to learn to score, but on the way. Most other big men in the BIG10, just are big and stand in the middle.

The adjustment Collins m are in the UCLA game to go to MN to get 3 buckets was huge. Opened up thing for Boo and CHaseafter that. Got some open shots for the shooters and NU has to bet better at that, but they were not hesitating.

 

[ballerog711]

THIS. Starting non-elite freshman guards is a recipe for getting you bounced in the tournament. It's no shock that NU's best years been with veteran guard play.

Purdue had Jaden Ivey who went pro and still lost to a double digit seed last year.

 

[No Chores]

There are few players in the B10 who can create their own shot, can be described as slashers, great athletes, and have quickness.

Wisconsin and Purdue are trapped in the 90s. No idea what Fran and Underwood are doing. Rutgers and NU play the defensive juggernaut, but it comes down to can you scored. Aside from Princeton, SEC, Big East and B12 are playing a totally different style of basketball. They are athletic, can put the ball on the deck, and can shoot. This year, B10 had very little of these traits. B10 plays strangle ball. The conference had been passed by. Frankly, the only was for this to change is for Izzo, Painter, Gard, and Fran to go away and some younger coaches enter the picture. The only African American coaches are at Indy, PSU, Mich, and Minny. This has to change. Otherwise, we will see the same results.

I don't agree with much of this. Teams that play good defense AND shoot well are pretty difficult to beat. (See NU vs. UCLA). While younger coaches might be a step in the right direction, the hiring of those coaches should be based on qualifications and ability, not on ethnicity. In my view, the worst coach in the Big Ten is at Michigan, and he is an African American. Poor coaching resulted in Michigan blowing and 8 point lead against Vanderbilt with very little time remaining.

 

[hoosboot]

Purdue had Jaden Ivey who went pro and still lost to a double digit seed last year.

IN THE SWEET 16 to a team led by upperclassmen guards.

 

[TheC]

As an aside, I will posit that our best tournament team may be PSU, which took Texas down to the wire. Pickett is such a unique player with his ability to give them a post presence on offense while also being a perimeter threat (shoot or dribble drive). What an asset to have!

Or us maybe?

 

[TheC]

Or us maybe?

Actually, I may end up wrong but I suspect the most tourney ready team will be Michigan State. They are athletic at just about every position like many of the elite teams in the country.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

The team that won our conference regular season, and then won our tournament, gets a #1 seed and then bounced by a ~300ish KenPom team that is the shortest in tournament.

What does that say about our conference?

I think we all knew Purdue was vulnerable with those freshman guards, and the strategy to work Edey over physically (either by making him move a lot, or simply beating on him a la Big Matt) could be effective. But losing to FDU?

A fair amount of blame falls on Painter, who is perfecting the art of losing to double-digit seeds.

But I think PU's success in conference is that we play a Norris-division style of hoop that emphasizes a lot of interior play, dribble-penetration/isolation, and generally a style you don't see as much in other conferences. PU's Edey advantage was ideal for playing in the B1G, but not so much in the tournament. If PU plays UCLA, Houston, Bama, they lose by double digits. Princeton would probably spank them too.

I'm no hoops scholar, and I love B1G basketball, but it seems our conference style of play is out of sync with what the best teams do on offense.

Just some uneducated musings. Would love to hear yours.

GOOOOOCATS!

Purdue is getting a lot of flak (rightfully so) but Fran has been at Iowa for 13 years and has never been to the Sweet 16. And they have multiple top 3 finishes and have even won the BIG conference Tournament. Our whole conference is a problem. And frankly if the committee scales down the number of bids we get to 4 or 5 they would be justified

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

I don't agree with much of this. Teams that play good defense AND shoot well are pretty difficult to beat. (See NU vs. UCLA). While younger coaches might be a step in the right direction, the hiring of those coaches should be based on qualifications and ability, not on ethnicity. In my view, the worst coach in the Big Ten is at Michigan, and he is an African American. Poor coaching resulted in Michigan blowing and 8 point lead against Vanderbilt with very little time remaining.

That’s laughable that Howard is the worst coach in the BIG. In four years at Michigan he has back to back Sweet 16s in 2021 and 2022 and an Elite 8. Fran has never made the Sweet 16 in 13 years at Iowa. Purdue loses to double digit seeds constantly. Come on….

 

[catfans5]

I don't agree with much of this. Teams that play good defense AND shoot well are pretty difficult to beat. (See NU vs. UCLA). While younger coaches might be a step in the right direction, the hiring of those coaches should be based on qualifications and ability, not on ethnicity. In my view, the worst coach in the Big Ten is at Michigan, and he is an African American. Poor coaching resulted in Michigan blowing and 8 point lead against Vanderbilt with very little time remaining.

If you watch the Xavier game, there is not a single team that plays that style in B10. Kenny Smith showed at half that Xavier takes early shots in the clock, but that they are good shots. The last coach the B10 had who played what I will call 21st Century basketball was John Beilin. He had his teams make deep runs in the tournament.

The game has changed. I think you are an atty. I am retired lawyer. One of key elements of the practice was that you had had to change and adapt to succeed and have continued success. Same goes in sports. Last year, the B10 had 3 players drafted in the top ten: Keegan Murray (Iowa) 4th Jaden Ivey (Purdue) 5th; and, Johnny Davis (Wis) 10th: How did the teams do? Iowa—lost in the first round. Purdue lost in first round. Wisconsin list in the 2nd round. Superlative athletes playing B10 style just does not work. It also supports my conclusion that each coach has to go. By the way, the coach you castigate made it to the Elit 8 in 21 and Sweet 16 in 22.

 

[No Chores]

If you watch the Xavier game, there is not a single team that plays that style in B10. Kenny Smith showed at half that Xavier takes early shots in the clock, but that they are good shots. The last coach the B10 had who played what I will call 21st Century basketball was John Beilin. He had his teams make deep runs in the tournament.

The game has changed. I think you are an atty. I am retired lawyer. One of key elements of the practice was that you had had to change and adapt to succeed and have continued success. Same goes in sports. Last year, the B10 had 3 players drafted in the top ten: Keegan Murray (Iowa) 4th Jaden Ivey (Purdue) 5th; and, Johnny Davis (Wis) 10th: How did the teams do? Iowa—lost in the first round. Purdue lost in first round. Wisconsin list in the 2nd round. Superlative athletes playing B10 style just does not work. It also supports my conclusion that each coach has to go. By the way, the coach you castigate made it to the Elit 8 in 21 and Sweet 16 in 22.

Well, we're still not on the same wave length! My trial routine changed very little over my 50 plus years in practice, and I won most of the cases I tried to a verdict. As for Coach Howard at Michigan, he is a hot head who has been suspended for his misconduct. Yes, he has won when he's had very good players, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach. I'll take Chris Collins over him anytime. 'Cats made the tournament and finished second in the Big Ten. The Wolverines did neither of those things.

 

[catfans5]

Well, we're still not on the same wave length! My trial routine changed very little over my 50 plus years in practice, and I won most of the cases I tried to a verdict. As for Coach Howard at Michigan, he is a hot head who has been suspended for his misconduct. Yes, he has won when he's had very good players, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach. I'll take Chris Collins over him anytime. 'Cats made the tournament and finished second in the Big Ten. The Wolverines did neither of those things.

I guarantee the way you questioned and the type of questions you asked in voir dire changed as well as the use of technology changed over the years. Coach Saban changed his game strategy. Don’t buy the no change argument.

The B10 last won a national championship in 2000. This is Exhibit A to the argument that change needs to occur for the B10 to be successful.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

Well, we're still not on the same wave length! My trial routine changed very little over my 50 plus years in practice, and I won most of the cases I tried to a verdict. As for Coach Howard at Michigan, he is a hot head who has been suspended for his misconduct. Yes, he has won when he's had very good players, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach. I'll take Chris Collins over him anytime. 'Cats made the tournament and finished second in the Big Ten. The Wolverines did neither of those things.

Coach Collins’s tech against Gonzaga cost us a chance to come back in the biggest game in NU history. Is he a “hot head”? I’m also a trial lawyer. Are you still looking at pocket parts to see if a case has been overruled or are you Shepardizing with Lexis and Westlaw? And Batson was decided in the 80s, I’m certain that you’ve had to change your approach. There is no profession where refusal to adapt is a good thing.

 

[No Chores]

I guarantee the way you questioned and the type of questions you asked in voir dire changed as well as the use of technology changed over the years. Coach Saban changed his game strategy. Don’t buy the no change argument.

The B10 last won a national championship in 2000. This is Exhibit A to the argument that change needs to occur for the B10 to be successful.

Your nonsense about the changes in my legal practice would be amusing if they weren't so ridiculous. Your know nothing about my practice. Voir dire changes from case to case depending on the issues involved, but my methodology never changed. For example, I defended many medical malpractice cases to a verdict and lost one. I could do the voir dire in those cases without notes. I also tried many other catastrophic personal injury cases, including death cases, to a verdict, and my voir dire methodology in those cases remained essentially unchanged. So, if you need a few tips, don't hesitate to be in touch. At least you've finally stepped away from the nonsense about Juwan Howard. Also, Saban is of no interest to me.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

Your nonsense about the changes in my legal practice would be amusing if they weren't so ridiculous. You’re know nothing about my practice. Voir dire changes from case to case depending on the issues involved, but my methodology never changed. For example, I defended many medical malpractice cases to a verdict and lost one. I could do the voir dire in those cases without notes. I also tried many other catastrophic personal injury cases, including death cases, to a verdict, and my voir dire methodology in those cases remained essentially unchanged. So, if you need a few tips, don't hesitate to be in touch. At least you've finally stepped away from the nonsense about Juwan Howard. Also, Saban is of no interest to me.

OK - I’ll disengage as it seems I’ve struck a nerve. You are one of the rare professionals who doesn’t have to change in 50 years regardless of changes in case law or technology. The rest of us do. The BIG hasn’t won a championship in decades so I think they may fall into the category as the rest of us mere mortals. Go Cats

 

[NUCat320]

I do enjoy two old Rant Boarders going at it again.

I can only assume it’s the first time @catfans5 has dealt with @GOUNUII ’s errrr, unique approach to argument.

 

[No Chores]

Coach Collins’s tech against Gonzaga cost us a chance to come back in the biggest game in NU history. Is he a “hot head”? I’m also a trial lawyer. Are you still looking at pocket parts to see if a case has been overruled or are you Shepardizing with Lexis and Westlaw? And Batson was decided in the 80s, I’m certain that you’ve had to change your approach. There is no profession where refusal to adapt is a good thing.

Like your compadre here, you know nothing about my practice, and I'm not going to repeat my arguments here. Likewise, if you want to believe Juwan Howard is a good coach, you are entitled to that opinion. (When was it, by the way, that Chris Collins was suspended for misconduct like Howard was?) Finally, I have no idea what you mean when you say refusal to adapt is not a good thing., but it has nothing to do with my law practice,

 

[No Chores]

OK - I’ll disengage as it seems I’ve struck a nerve. You are one of the rare professionals who doesn’t have to change in 50 years regardless of changes in case law or technology. The rest of us do. The BIG hasn’t won a championship in decades so I think they may fall into the category as the rest of us mere mortals. Go Cats

The issue was voir dire, and my methodology never changed, but let's talk about something fun like the 'Cats lacrosse win over #1 UNC!

 

[hoosboot]

OK - I’ll disengage as it seems I’ve struck a nerve. You are one of the rare professionals who doesn’t have to change in 50 years regardless of changes in case law or technology. The rest of us do. The BIG hasn’t won a championship in decades so I think they may fall into the category as the rest of us mere mortals. Go Cats

It's an interesting question. There are lots of things that have changed on the margins about the way my business is done, but the core ideas remain pretty much the same (and this is a business that is very immersed in technology changes.)

The technology has helped accelerate many things, but the core pillars of what we do remain. I think basketball is a similar proposition.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

It's an interesting question. There are lots of things that have changed on the margins about the way my business is done, but the core ideas remain pretty much the same (and this is a business that is very immersed in technology changes.)

The technology has helped accelerate many things, but the core pillars of what we do remain. I think basketball is a similar proposition.

I hear you on the “core ideas remain pretty much the same.” But in your line of business are the core ideas leading to success? I’m assuming the answer is yes. Yet, the BIG has not produced a national champion in over two decades and our top teams consistently under perform in the tourney. If it ain’t broke I’m fine with not fixing it, but it’s definitely broke in this case.

 

[catfans5]

I do enjoy two old Rant Boarders going at it again.

I can only assume it’s the first time @catfans5 has dealt with @GOUNUII ’s errrr, unique approach to argument.

I do enjoy two old Rant Boarders going at it again.

I can only assume it’s the first time @catfans5 has dealt with @GOUNUII ’s errrr, unique approach to argument.

I come from a family of trial attorneys who primarily practiced in Chicago trying cases in Federal and State courts involving all sorts of litigation representing stellar and reprehensible clients involving bad circumstances. Never did divorce. Those folks are crazy. No criminal. I find No Chores and GONUII humorous. I dealt with those folks my entire career. The one thing I know about lawyers is that only time you know a lawyer is telling you truth is when they say, “I don’t know.”

As to the basketball, I watched the Cats and B10, but if Cats not playing, I always switched to B12. Much better. The game at the high level resembles more of AAU hoops than the old high school game where the coach controlled as we see in the B10. B10 bball is boring as hell and if you are a good, why would you want to play it. The best analogy is the B10 is playing the Fitz offense while everyone else is playing high scoring OSU, Ga, and etc offenses.

 

[Hungry Jack]

I do enjoy two old Rant Boarders going at it again.

I can only assume it’s the first time @catfans5 has dealt with @GOUNUII ’s errrr, unique approach to argument.

Just like old times!

 

[techtim72]

You are what your record says you are. The Big Ten has been weak in the NCAA.

 

[NUCat320]

Just like old times!

Mea culpa! Just realizing that it’s @No Chores , not @GOUNUII. My apologies, GOU.

Chores generally avoided RB, but was always GOU-esque when the sports boards went a little sideways.

 

[EagerFan]

I don’t buy there is anything intrinsically wrong with the B1G or that the league has failed to adapt because it’s been 22 years since someone won it all. Is winning it all really the only metric?

Prior to 2000, the last conference winner was 1989. Then there was a small flurry of Bobby Knight wins and another MSU win (1979), then, what 1960? So outside of the Indiana era, the B1G has only hung four? banners in the last +60 years.

Otoh, a B1G played for the championship in 2018, 2015, 2013, 2009, 2007, 2005, and 2002 (eventual winner - Maryland).

So this purported failure to adapt seems more like recency bias and sour grapes in hindsight. What seems to matter in the tourney is experienced guards and strong defense. And you can always feel safe betting against Purdue in the tourney. That hasn’t changed in over a decade.

When you think about it, making it to the first weekend implies a top 32 team and five B1G teams did that. We’ll see how the two remaining teams do.
Illinois - 9 seed lost to an 8 seed
Iowa - 8 seed lost to a 9 seed
Purdue humiliated in themselves

MD - 8 seed beat the 9 and lost to the 1
PSU - 10 seed beat the 7 and lost to the 2
NU - 7 seed beat the 10 and lost to the 2
MSU - 7 seed beat the 10 seed beat the 2
IU - 4 seed beat the 11 seed play the 5

Except for Purdue, it all seems right in line with the rankings to me.

 

[T_Levine]

Normally you go into the tournament and you til the elite 8 it’s all about matchups. But Purdue blew that out of the water There is zero reason why a team that short compared to Purdue should have beaten Purdue.

 

[catfans5]

I don’t buy there is anything intrinsically wrong with the B1G or that the league has failed to adapt because it’s been 22 years since someone won it all. Is winning it all really the only metric?

Prior to 2000, the last conference winner was 1989. Then there was a small flurry of Bobby Knight wins and another MSU win (1979), then, what 1960? So outside of the Indiana era, the B1G has only hung four? banners in the last +60 years.

Otoh, a B1G played for the championship in 2018, 2015, 2013, 2009, 2007, 2005, and 2002 (eventual winner - Maryland).

So this purported failure to adapt seems more like recency bias and sour grapes in hindsight. What seems to matter in the tourney is experienced guards and strong defense. And you can always feel safe betting against Purdue in the tourney. That hasn’t changed in over a decade.

When you think about it, making it to the first weekend implies a top 32 team and five B1G teams did that. We’ll see how the two remaining teams do.
Illinois - 9 seed lost to an 8 seed
Iowa - 8 seed lost to a 9 seed
Purdue humiliated in themselves

MD - 8 seed beat the 9 and lost to the 1
PSU - 10 seed beat the 7 and lost to the 2
NU - 7 seed beat the 10 and lost to the 2
MSU - 7 seed beat the 10 seed beat the 2
IU - 4 seed beat the 11 seed play the 5

Except for Purdue, it all seems right in line with the rankings to me.

Frankly, winning the championship, just like in football, is the only metric which matters. Since MSU won in 2000, 23 years, ACC won 8 times, Big East 6 times, B12 3 times, and SEC 3 times. Who cares if you won the ACC/B10 Challenge? If it is not the metric, then why do they play the game?

 

[No Chores]

I come from a family of trial attorneys who primarily practiced in Chicago trying cases in Federal and State courts involving all sorts of litigation representing stellar and reprehensible clients involving bad circumstances. Never did divorce. Those folks are crazy. No criminal. I find No Chores and GONUII humorous. I dealt with those folks my entire career. The one thing I know about lawyers is that only time you know a lawyer is telling you truth is when they say, “I don’t know.”

As to the basketball, I watched the Cats and B10, but if Cats not playing, I always switched to B12. Much better. The game at the high level resembles more of AAU hoops than the old high school game where the coach controlled as we see in the B10. B10 bball is boring as hell and if you are a good, why would you want to play it. The best analogy is the B10 is playing the Fitz offense while everyone else is playing high scoring OSU, Ga, and etc offenses.

I really have to respond to this post because it is so ridiculous.
Let me begin by saying that I'm a first generation lawyer, and after 53 years of practice, I remain the only lawyer in my family. You haven't known me for your entire career because you don't know me at all. I you did, you wouldn't have made these nonsensical remarks. I have tried many many cases in the state and federal courts of northwestern Pa, and northeastern Ohio. When I joined my law firm I had the good fortune to be mentored by two excellent lawyers who were Fellows of the American College of Trial Lawyers. That should tell you everything you need to know about my personal ethics, assuming that you know anything about the American College. Your suggestion that trial lawyers are habitual liars is also absurd.
As far as GOUNUII is concerned. he is one of the finest people
I've ever met. I met GOUNUII and his lovely wife at a Purple Party, and we've been good friends ever since. His practice is somewhat different than mine in that he represents the NFL in labor-related matters. He is neither an habitual liar or an unethical person.
When it comes to basketball, I'm a Big Ten Fan. It was nice to see Tom Izzo and the Spartans take down the best team in the Big East this afternoon, and of course I thoroughly enjoyed the 'Cats season. Good defense wins basketball games. I have absolutely no interest in the Big 12.

 

[GOUNUII]

Mea culpa! Just realizing that it’s @No Chores , not @GOUNUII. My apologies, GOU.

Chores generally avoided RB, but was always GOU-esque when the sports boards went a little sideways.

Somebody living rent free in your head 320?

Flattered to be described as humorous and unique in this thread. Honored to be mentioned as similar to No Chores in any respect.

GOUNUII