Don't Hate Me, But I Want to Talk Purdue

[Hungry Jack]

I'm married to an attorney. 20+ years now. You don't argue. You plead.

 

[catfans5]

I really have to respond to this post because it is so ridiculous.
Let me begin by saying that I'm a first generation lawyer, and after 53 years of practice, I remain the only lawyer in my family. You haven't known me for your entire career because you don't know me at all. I you did, you wouldn't have made these nonsensical remarks. I have tried many many cases in the state and federal courts of northwestern Pa, and northeastern Ohio. When I joined my law firm I had the good fortune to be mentored by two excellent lawyers who were Fellows of the American College of Trial Lawyers. That should tell you everything you need to know about my personal ethics, assuming that you know anything about the American College. Your suggestion that trial lawyers are habitual liars is also absurd.
As far as GOUNUII is concerned. he is one of the finest people
I've ever met. I met GOUNUII and his lovely wife at a Purple Party, and we've been good friends ever since. His practice is somewhat different than mine in that he represents the NFL in labor-related matters. He is neither an habitual liar or an unethical person.
When it comes to basketball, I'm a Big Ten Fan. It was nice to see Tom Izzo and the Spartans take down the best team in the Big East this afternoon, and of course I thoroughly enjoyed the 'Cats season. Good defense wins basketball games. I have absolutely no interest in the Big 12.

Hey, I do not disrespect you or GOUNUII. The lawyer's joke came from a Federal Court judge. I was responding to the post about dealing with lawyers and their arguments. I have been around them my entire life and it does not sway me. Further, one of the most important lessons and hardest to do in my career was that after you lose a trial to immediately shake you opponent's hand and congratulate them. Then, call the next business day to congratulate them again.

Nice to see Izzo win.

 

[EagerFan]

Frankly, winning the championship, just like in football, is the only metric which matters. Since MSU won in 2000, 23 years, ACC won 8 times, Big East 6 times, B12 3 times, and SEC 3 times. Who cares if you won the ACC/B10 Challenge? If it is not the metric, then why do they play the game?

If winning it all is the only metric, the B1G has never really been good outside a brief Indiana run decades ago, so nothing’s really changed.

 

[fcmchi]

The legal professionals, both practicing and retired, in our merry band have gone at it tooth and nail in this thread. But their very interesting discussion has been free of insults and demeaning comments. Kudos to them.

Hungry, I’ve been married to an attorney for almost 45 years…you’re right.

 

[jne381]

There are few players in the B10 who can create their own shot, can be described as slashers, great athletes, and have quickness.

Wisconsin and Purdue are trapped in the 90s. No idea what Fran and Underwood are doing. Rutgers and NU play the defensive juggernaut, but it comes down to can you scored. Aside from Princeton, SEC, Big East and B12 are playing a totally different style of basketball. They are athletic, can put the ball on the deck, and can shoot. This year, B10 had very little of these traits. B10 plays strangle ball. The conference had been passed by. Frankly, the only was for this to change is for Izzo, Painter, Gard, and Fran to go away and some younger coaches enter the picture. The only African American coaches are at Indy, PSU, Mich, and Minny. This has to change. Otherwise, we will see the same results.

I am unsure why you are bringing Izzo into the conversation. The dude keeps on winning. Made it to the FF in 2019, and was poised to do even better in 2020.

I think part of the problem is that we put too much emphasis on the Tournament. It is super fun and would never want it to go away, but it is really a bad way to determine a champion. Anything can happening in a single elimination basketball tournament on a given night.

 

[Frabjous]

Practicing law is like being a basketball coach: you must be smart enough to know how to do it, and dumb enough to care.

 

[jindy]

If you watch the Xavier game, there is not a single team that plays that style in B10. Kenny Smith showed at half that Xavier takes early shots in the clock, but that they are good shots. The last coach the B10 had who played what I will call 21st Century basketball was John Beilin. He had his teams make deep runs in the tournament.

The game has changed. I think you are an atty. I am retired lawyer. One of key elements of the practice was that you had had to change and adapt to succeed and have continued success. Same goes in sports. Last year, the B10 had 3 players drafted in the top ten: Keegan Murray (Iowa) 4th Jaden Ivey (Purdue) 5th; and, Johnny Davis (Wis) 10th: How did the teams do? Iowa—lost in the first round. Purdue lost in first round. Wisconsin list in the 2nd round. Superlative athletes playing B10 style just does not work. It also supports my conclusion that each coach has to go. By the way, the coach you castigate made it to the Elit 8 in 21 and Sweet 16 in 22.

Purdue did not lose in the first round last season, they reached the Sweet 16. In the last six tournaments Purdue has been to the Sweet 16 four times and reached the Elite 8 once.

 

[CappyNU]

Purdue did not lose in the first round last season, they reached the Sweet 16. In the last six tournaments Purdue has been to the Sweet 16 four times and reached the Elite 8 once.

Yes, and all as a top-4 seed. They've underperformed their seed expectations 3 of those 6 tourneys and were fortunate to exceed them once. Meanwhile we've exceeded our seed expectations 100% of the time we've made the tournament.

 

[PURPLECAT88]

Yes, and all as a top-4 seed. They've underperformed their seed expectations 3 of those 6 tourneys and were fortunate to exceed them once. Meanwhile we've exceeded our seed expectations 100% of the time we've made the tournament.

Not exactly. This year we matched our seed expectation.

 

[CappyNU]

Not exactly. This year we matched our seed expectation.

Technically, based on the PASE data I had, 7 seeds are expected to win 0.98 games in the tourney, and thus I stand by my claim.

 

[jindy]

Yes, and all as a top-4 seed. They've underperformed their seed expectations 3 of those 6 tourneys and were fortunate to exceed them once. Meanwhile we've exceeded our seed expectations 100% of the time we've made the tournament.

I was simply pointing out that the claim by your other poster was incorrect.

In one of the tourneys that Purdue "underperformed" they lost their 2nd leading scorer(starting center) to a fractured elbow midway through the opening game.

In using the term "fortunate" did you mean to imply that Purdue was lucky in that tournament?