As a diehard IU fan, I have a few sources who are somewhat close to the program. Both of them have told me that IU is definitely parting ways with Crean and that Chris Collins is their #1 target. I really can't confirm that any of that is true, that's just something that I heard.
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Interesting. Good choice by the IU guys. Will be interesting to see what Chris does if in fact he is offered the job at seasons end. My money is on him staying at NU.
My guess is if NU goes dancing then collins will be #1 on everyone's list. So if crean is fired then I dont think you would be telling us anything we dont know.
That said, id be surprised if Collins leaves, Caliperi he isnt.
But i also admit that Indiana would be a monster tug on him. I think NU will be fine regardless as the new facility will most likely keep us competitive in recruiting. Plus phillips has shown that he has a knack for bringing in solid coaches. Maybe baldwin is ready if Collins would surprisingly leave.
This page will deny that collins would ever think of indy....and id be surprised, but it wouldnt be shocking.
And our program wont be doomed. Think Butler after their coach left. Collins is here to stay but if he did leave, then he left us on stable ground.
I really don't know. I'm not a big advocate of poaching coaches in the Big Ten. Just not a good precedent. I think IU could land Collins. I just don't know if that's actually what will happen.
Ok, so take out Collins. Take out the pipe dream guys like Stevens, Donovan, Bennett, Sean Miller. Who are some good, realistic coaches, that you guys could see coming to a place like IU?
Anyone would be interested in the IU job. It is the top of the heap. Just give out enough $$ and you will get anyone you want.
A) I'm becoming minimally more convinced that the only place CC might jump to in the next several years is Duke ... if available
P.S. I stand by my Billy Donovan prediction, especially now that the MANY whispers are out there that he wants to go back to college.
B) I don't think CC would jump to anyplace that doesn't allow him to go to Duke. Once you're at IU, you can't jump to Duke and I'd be shocked if any contract wasn't structured that way $$$$$.
C) NU's ace-in-the-hole: CC's middle school(??) kids.
D) Consider this about CC to IU. CC calls Coach K. What are the chances Coach K calls Bob Knight? Think Knight doesn't have any contacts? You're crazy.
What are the chances Knight doesn't shred IU? I can't imagine why he would. His exit was a long time ago, and how many presidents ago was his departure?
But Knight is pretty nuts. If he has any influence, he's a wild card.
P.S. I stand by my Billy Donovan prediction, especially now that the MANY whispers are out there that he wants to go back to college.
B) I don't think CC would jump to anyplace that doesn't allow him to go to Duke. Once you're at IU, you can't jump to Duke and I'd be shocked if any contract wasn't structured that way $$$$$.
C) NU's ace-in-the-hole: CC's middle school(??) kids.
D) Consider this about CC to IU. CC calls Coach K. What are the chances Coach K calls Bob Knight? Think Knight doesn't have any contacts? You're crazy.
What are the chances Knight doesn't shred IU? I can't imagine why he would. His exit was a long time ago, and how many presidents ago was his departure?
But Knight is pretty nuts. If he has any influence, he's a wild card.
I think you're right. Personally, I want Steve Alford. But I think Knight would shoot that down. Or would he?
Let me start at the bottom ...
Choice C: Dane Fife.
I don't think Donovan is unrealistic if he believes IU is truly a blue blood program and the money is CRAZY.
Question I wondering is whether IU is blue blood or Knight knew how to build a blue blood.
For me, Indiana has lost its Hoosier thing. They need someone who owns the state and supplements with players outside - not the opposite as it stands now.
If I were IU, you know who I'd recruit as as a candidate? Mike Brey.
Choice C: Dane Fife.
I don't think Donovan is unrealistic if he believes IU is truly a blue blood program and the money is CRAZY.
Question I wondering is whether IU is blue blood or Knight knew how to build a blue blood.
For me, Indiana has lost its Hoosier thing. They need someone who owns the state and supplements with players outside - not the opposite as it stands now.
If I were IU, you know who I'd recruit as as a candidate? Mike Brey.
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I'm thinking plucking a good coach out of the Big East or A-10 is most likely. Chris Mack, Mick Cronin (if all health issues are squared away), Archie Miller, Tim Jankovich (even though it's only one year at SMU as head coach, he's an Indiana native and had great success at Illinois State before coming coach-in-waiting under Larry Brown).
Crean has a good recruiting class and its always a risk of losing recruits with a coaching change.....but I dont think Collins will lose any unless he chooses to (think stina for Bmc).
I hope Collins stays but if not Duke then Indy, Louisville, or kentucky could be persuasive along his way at NU.
Question???? Would NU match any salary? I figure if NU invests hundreds of millions in the arena then maybe nu would pony up the money if that was an issue.
I hope Collins stays but if not Duke then Indy, Louisville, or kentucky could be persuasive along his way at NU.
Question???? Would NU match any salary? I figure if NU invests hundreds of millions in the arena then maybe nu would pony up the money if that was an issue.
The only list that Steve Alford should be at top of is "People who can best be described as a gigantic pile of human garbage".
Who is the coach of illinois st? Dude got game. Is he a good fit if we lose Collins?
This is what the Illinois shopping list should be (if they're lucky).
If this is the IU shopping list, then either: A) It's not a blue blood program; B) The AD has devalued it's program, much like Illinois has with its last two hires.
I just think that coaches, more than ever, are loathe to leave good situations and move into pressure cookers. You can make millions of dollars at NU and have great job security, but one bad year at Indiana and you're on the street.
If Mack ever wants to leave Xavier, he'd be a great hire. I'm not sure Illinois is a step up from Xavier right now.
In the lifetime of a current college senior, IU has made it past the Round of 16 once, has been seeded higher than 4th once, and has either missed the NCAAs altogether or lost in the Round of 64 a majority of the time.
It's not top of the heap. Its fans have those memories, but that won't bring in recruits or win games.
I agree IU job is not at the top anymore. I do not see Collins leaving NU except for the right fit. He could use offers to leverage salary and maybe someday replace Coach K or be 2nd to replace Coach K. If he can build NU into a consistent tournament team in a city that is his home and a school similar to where he went why not stay. He will make a huge name for himself for building the program and can still make great money.
Collins does not leave NU for Cow Town. He is the toast of the town in Chicago, where he grew up. Things are working here and he is getting a new stadium. He sees what Fitz has become here in town. Nice gig.
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Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, maybe. Not Indy
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Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, maybe. Not Indy
There is like zero precedence for B1G coaches to move to another conference school, right?
As for the Xavier vs. Illinois comment, GMAFB. I know a lot of you hate us, but a coach failing at a school doesn't change the potential there THAT much ... Illinois is still a good job that's easy to win at, easier than NU and Xavier, easily.
As for the Xavier vs. Illinois comment, GMAFB. I know a lot of you hate us, but a coach failing at a school doesn't change the potential there THAT much ... Illinois is still a good job that's easy to win at, easier than NU and Xavier, easily.
If Groce is gone after this year, do you think the 2017 recruits remain with the program? If so, whomever takes the job will have some horses to work with.
IF Groce is gone? He is absolutely, positively done. Think about how bad this season was considering the talent he has, including a sure fire NBA player and TWO SIXTH YEAR (!) seniors. There is no way that an AD who hired Lovie Smith is going to retain this buffoon, imo.
Not sure! I think an impressive hire (Miller, Martin, Monty Williams) keeps all of them. If Whitman strikes out on the more attractive options (given Lovie, I'm cautiously optimistic he won't), then I think at least Tilmon leaves.
If they all stay and we make a good hire, I think next year could be pretty interesting.
Indiana has hired bad coaches. It's not a bad job. It's one of the better ones in college basketball.
Please don't tell me there's some silly expectation about Monty Williams going to Champaign. You might want to read about his family situation after the death of his wife before you continue to spread the idea that he's leaving San Antonio - much less coming to Champaign from the NBA.
I know it's all you guys have, but can you guys have a conversation about the University of Illinois - a top 50 university with a massive alumni base and a historically successful basketball program - without implying Champaign is the worst place on Earth? For one, basketball coaches want to go where they have the best chance to win, not where they can have the most fun in the offseason (you think a coach would go to coach at DePaul just because it's in Chicago over College Park, MD or Stillwater, OK? You're wrong if you do.), and secondly, Champaign regularly ranks well on top college town lists, is growing very fast and was recently ranked number one party school ... I guess people outside of NU message boards like it well enough.
As for Monty, just going off of names that have been mentioned. Not sure why it strikes such a chord here when it's suggested a program that has been very successful over the years under several different coaches might not strike out twice in a row, Jesus.
Please. While Illinois is a historically successful program, it has been one of the more underachieving B1G basketball schools in recent years. If you're the flagship state university in what has historically been a hotbed of high school basketball, you've got to keep some of the state's top talent at home, and they've consistently failed to do so. It should be a rare year that Illinois is not a top 20 basketball program.
I would be fairly surprised if Collins went to IU considering NU donors just ponied up millions of dollars for a new arena and training facility. I could see Collins hopping ship for Duke or another top program, but I don't see IU as having that top level draw.
That being said, IU is definitely in the next tier of programs, I could see a guy like Greg Marshall at Wichita St. or Archie Miller at Dayton jumping at the chance. The top possible get would probably be Scott Drew who has done a great job at Baylor, his dad coached at Valpo so he has the Indiana connection.
That being said, IU is definitely in the next tier of programs, I could see a guy like Greg Marshall at Wichita St. or Archie Miller at Dayton jumping at the chance. The top possible get would probably be Scott Drew who has done a great job at Baylor, his dad coached at Valpo so he has the Indiana connection.
The fact that Collins stayed at Duke for 13 seasons says a lot. He surely had opportunities that he could have taken, but NU was the right one.
Side note that is perhaps interesting now: I was passed "insider info" before the 2008-09 season--and NU's string of NIT seasons--that NU's athletic department was looking seriously at Chris Collins to replace Carmody. I don't know how true this is, but it's possible CC also had his eyes on the NU job for a while.
I am sure the CC is a competitive guy and might have some high ambitions as a coach... Then again, he has also probably learned from his father that the grass isn't always greener on the other side and jumping town to town can be a hard life. Having job stability and being able to continue to build something special in his hometown at a good school that plays in a top league while making more money than he could possibly spend and being hailed as the program's king and savior... That's tough to beat. Compare that to the prospect of getting shit on by IU's fan base and never being able to live up to unrealistic expectations from another era of Bobby Knight. I could understand CC staying with NU for a while longer--at least until his kids finish high school.
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