Champaign is a nice enough town. Put at the base of the Rockies, or next to a nice lake with some forest and you'd have a winner.
Don't take this to the bank.
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Um, overreaction?
Coaches do want to win, but for many there are other considerations when tasked with finding the right job. A connection with your community and wanting to live a good place to raise your children are important factors than many seriously consider.
FWIW, College Park and Stillwater are in/close to major metropolitan areas.
See what Sec112 previously wrote (his assessments of the Illini over the years are spot on).
Generally, I've found UofI fans to be disconnected from the reality of their situation.
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Seems to me that CC also stayed quite a while at Duke, Yes?
To me that speaks of a guy who doesn't have a ton of wander lust. Add that to the fact that when he did leave Duke, he basically came home to the Chicago area and you have a person who, beyond his BB goals, likes stability in life. Some people just don't like to move around a ton. This can really set a career back but if your having success in your career, moving around is not always very attractive.
He has the makings of a guy who, with proper support, could desire to build a dynasty of his own. As competitive as he is, I don't think we will know until he has had a series of successful years or hits some kind of insurmountable wall.
Drew and Baylor were instrumental in getting Hanner Perea to the United States. When IU get involved with Perea, a Baylor assistant coach told Perea they could have him deported if he didn't go to Baylor.
IU had two national titles before Knight, so while Knight built a lot of history into IU, there was substantial history already there. IU doesn't have the cache of a UNC, Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky that comes with consistent success in the last 20 years. But, IU still has what those programs have and most others don't: top-notch facilities, incredible fanbase, recruiting bed, top recruiting budget in the nation, name recognition (at least it still seems to matter with networks, media). Some programs have one or two of those things, but few have all of those things. Any coach who values his own ability knows what is waiting in Bloomington.
That doesn't mean of course that it matters to those coaches who are already finding success someplace else and are doing just fine. Whether or not IU is a true "blueblood" among fan discussions is moot for reasons i listed above.
I think you hit a lot of points on CC staying at NU for a long while but the real test will come if he's offered by Duke. Kind of comparing that move to Barnett's jumping at the Colorado job. If the Duke offer and acceptance doesn't materialize, then Collins might be in Evanston for the long haul. I have also wondered if he might hope to get a NBA job after a long, successful stint at NU.
Also you can only have so many pizza dinners. Just ask Mrs. Lovie Smith about that.
I personally think CC will be at NU until Coach K retires. CC will be Duke's next head coach. I am just praying to the universe that that won't be for another 5-10 years. When the move comes, I will wish CC all the luck in the world- just like Gary Barnett (only more success than Colorado). Then, Jim Phillips will have the opus to find the next Randy Walker and then of course, the next Pat Fitzgerald for NU's basketball program.
IU fans have to be the best. You went from "I have sources" to "I can't confirm any of this"
Collins is not going to IU, neither is Donovan or Stevens. This isn't 1980 and IU will once again have candidates say "thanks but no thanks", just like IU did while searching for Crean.
But hey, "banners!"... forget that fact that the majority of the IU fan base can't remember winning the last one.
Maybe but I think there are at least 2 guys ahead of him in Duke's potential head coaches wish list.
When was the last time a BIG BB coach went to another school in the BIG? Don't see it happening.
LOL, yeah, I'm not saying it's this kingdom of heaven. I was born and raised in Chicago and didn't go to school there, so it's not like I have this insane attachment to the place. Just saying that everyone I have ever talked to likes it for what it is: a small, traditional, Midwestern college town. Nothing more, nothing less, pretty fun/enjoyable for what it is trying to be.
Anywho, sorry to derail the thread. Back to my point on the OP, though, I have a hard time believing any Big Ten coach leaves his program for another Big Ten job, no matter how big the "jump" is perceived to be.
He came to NU for a reason. I agree that the kids thing is huge. And seeing Doug Collins in the stands every home game is pretty big as well. Did you see how Doug was acting in the game against Rutgers? Blood is now purple. Have to think unless NU screws up, CCC isn't going anywhere for a while. And if by that time, he has built a program that is getting to dance fairly often, would he leave his program that he basically built to go to one where he is taking over someone else's program? If he was not moving up and the school is the limitation, maybe but as long as he is moving forward.... When he sees those kids that he is building into a Duke like fan base... Just saying I think NU is growing on him more and more. Could he leave? Sure but I think it will be a lot harder for a school to get him out of here than many think.
I wouldn't over-react to Doug's game day angst. I think he bleeds for his son, not NU. His NU gear would be on ebay 10 minutes after Chris left for another gig.
I think Chris is in his dream job. He wants to create the NU program. And I think he will. And never leave, not even for Duke.
Hey, regardless of who is right here, he's come to our board in peace and be friendly and said nice things about BMac and our team this year.... So save your intrastate feuding for the Boiler and Hoosier boards!
That said, we welcome you both and anyone and everyone else as surrogates to the Wildcat bandwagon if you want to join the fun this year and in the future!!
I'm an alumnus of Purdue and soon to be Northwestern... this guy is a troll trying to pass on he said/she said info that IU is going to snag our coach. The longer Collins is here and the longer Northwestern stays in the top half of the Big Ten, the sooner you'll see how ridiculous the IU fan base is... they're worse than Illinois!
So do you think the IU AD has that much pride that they wouldn't pursue the probable national coach of the year?
Plus IU has excellent bass fishing in the local quarries and strip mine lakes! Just ask RMK.
That's what you said (and I hoped) about Gary Barnett. Let's hope it's true this time. Barnett's Colorado experience turned into a bimbo-nightmare.
Absolutely. With all the issues caused by Kelvin Sampson, IU has to hire someone with a good reputation. That's not Scott Drew.
Just one more bit of evidence to show that Baylor is the most wretched hive of scum and villainy in all of college sports.
Although I think Colorado was his dream job, Gary Barnett did play footsie with a couple of courters (Texas, etc.) before making his jump. It seems he was prepared to leave.
Chris Collins could very well have Duke as his dream job, given his history with the program. He seems otherwise content here, though, and unlike Barnett hasn't shown any signs of wanting to leave. I could definitely see him eventually being lured by Duke, but I'd be shocked if he went anywhere else, considering that he has definitely built his own program here.
Unlike Barnett at the time of his flirtations with others, Collins hasn't done anything yet.
Well he also came by before / after the IU Northwestern game a couple weeks back and had some good back and forth. Don't think he was a troll then or is now.
All fanbases are ridiculous in their own way, ours included... here it's the self-loathing -- that due to our history something bad is always bound to happen to us and we are constantly getting screwed by X Y or Z.
Can confirm this. Intent was to fire Carmody after 2009, assuming he was going to miss the postseason yet again, and go after Collins.
Also, I would be very surprised if Collins left NU for IU. It's a name program to be sure, but it's not up there with the best in the country anymore, and it would be very odd to see a coach jump ship to another conference school. But I won't be that surprised if he eventually leaves, especially if he has a lot of success for NU but can't break through to the top tier of recruits or out of the first weekend of the tournament. Hopefully he's here for the long haul, but college basketball is a business in which millions of dollars regularly change hands, and it's never wise to pin all your hopes and dreams on a coach never leaving.
And Crean is such an upstanding coach? I guess I'm just not convinced that IU has that much pride or morality.
Another reason to blame Carmody. He was mediocre but not even good enough at that. Had he been worse, CC would have come earlier and we'd be a perennial B1G championship team already and a Final Four or two under our belt already. Carmody set us back.
"A Final Four or two?" Please. It'd be at least three national championships. How you can call yourself a fan with a negative outlook like that is beyond me.
Do you think IU would care if the coach cheated but got away with it? Or had minimal penalties?
Yes, I do. IU fans expect a clean program that graduates players. They also expect to have the same success that Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina have.
I bet IUs next coach is better than Matt Painter. A Purdue fan is giving a lecture on "delusion?" Purdue probably has the worst athletics in the Big Ten.
The last time IU had to hire a coach, they were under major NCAA investigation. This Purdue troll forgot to mention that. I never said Collins is going to IU. I said 2 sources, (1 of them is a booster), told me that IU is back channeling Chris Collins. But, he may not be the only one.
Think about this. If IUs image has fell so far, than how does a incompetent coach like Crean get so much talent? He didn't at Marquette. He got lucky with some 3 stars like Wade.
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