Encouraging to say the least

[lou v]

(See what I did there?)

I deleted the “Discouraging to say the least” thread a few minutes ago, but I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised that it went on for more than two full days and was almost entirely devoid of personal attacks. And it got into some very, uh, contentious topics, to say the least.

Of course, I had to delete it because it was way, way, WAY off the subject of NU football and/or sports. But still.

 

[NUCat320]

It was a trip.

 

[CrippleCat]

(See what I did there?)

I deleted the “Discouraging to say the least” thread a few minutes ago, but I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised that it went on for more than two full days and was almost entirely devoid of personal attacks. And it got into some very, uh, contentious topics, to say the least.

Of course, I had to delete it because it was way, way, WAY off the subject of NU football and/or sports. But still.

It was nice to hear from everyone. It was also nice to be able to discuss contentious topics and everyone on all sides show mutual respect. I hope you are well Lou, and thank you for letting us share our thoughts. It was nice to interact with my Wildcat family.

 

[CatManTrue]

(See what I did there?)

I deleted the “Discouraging to say the least” thread a few minutes ago, but I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised that it went on for more than two full days and was almost entirely devoid of personal attacks. And it got into some very, uh, contentious topics, to say the least.

Of course, I had to delete it because it was way, way, WAY off the subject of NU football and/or sports. But still.

It’s discouraging that the interesting threads keep getting deleted so all we’re left with are threads filled with doom & gloom about the direction of the program.

Now I’m back to thinking about BJo playing for Notre Dame. And wondering why Minnesota is landing OL & DL via the portal already and we’re not.

 

[phatcat]

(See what I did there?)

I deleted the “Discouraging to say the least” thread a few minutes ago, but I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised that it went on for more than two full days and was almost entirely devoid of personal attacks. And it got into some very, uh, contentious topics, to say the least.

Of course, I had to delete it because it was way, way, WAY off the subject of NU football and/or sports. But still.

crap, I thought Lou might have some actual encouraging news.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

It’s discouraging that the interesting threads keep getting deleted so all we’re left with are threads filled with doom & gloom about the direction of the program.

Now I’m back to thinking about BJo playing for Notre Dame. And wondering why Minnesota is landing OL & DL via the portal already and we’re not.

We definitely need some good news.

 

[Bweiny]

Now I’m back to thinking about BJo playing for Notre Dame. And wondering why Minnesota is landing OL & DL via the portal already and we’re not.

It's probably not true, and I'm not so distraught about losing Joseph the player because '21 showed some clear flaws, but I can't help but think that getting steamrolled by Fleck in pursuit of his friend Stapp from College Station, was a part of finalizing his decision to transfer.

 

[phatcat]

It's probably not true, and I'm not so distraught about losing Joseph the player because '21 showed some clear flaws, but I can't help but think that getting steamrolled by Fleck in pursuit of his friend Stapp from College Station, was a part of finalizing his decision to transfer.

It's not so much losing Joseph's talent, although, I assure you, he is a man among boys. Sure, he missed some tackles and coverages this year, but he was also 3rd on the team in tackles, tied for 2nd in solo, and did end up with 3 picks, including at least one spectacular one.

Back to my point - losing his talent hurts, but, his name is on the stadium wall! He's a captain. He's leaving, not for the draft, but because the team / coaching sucks. He wants to play in the NFL, and so he left, like Big Ben did. This staff has already probably cost him a year's NFL salary, because he'd have been a first day pick had he done as well as last year.

Someone said the other day that there were 3k players in the portal. I wonder how many of them were consensus All Americans at any point in their career.

 

[corbi296]

It's not so much losing Joseph's talent, although, I assure you, he is a man among boys. Sure, he missed some tackles and coverages this year, but he was also 3rd on the team in tackles, tied for 2nd in solo, and did end up with 3 picks, including at least one spectacular one.

Back to my point - losing his talent hurts, but, his name is on the stadium wall! He's a captain. He's leaving, not for the draft, but because the team / coaching sucks. He wants to play in the NFL, and so he left, like Big Ben did. This staff has already probably cost him a year's NFL salary, because he'd have been a first day pick had he done as well as last year.

Someone said the other day that there were 3k players in the portal. I wonder how many of them were consensus All Americans at any point in their career.

He is leaving because the NFL scouts said you are not all that and he has convinced himself erroneously that this perception can be rectified by things people around him will do rather than what he needs to do.

 

[stpaulcat]

You gotta do what you gotta do. It was only a matter of time. But still, 2K views, that says something. Apparently my post about OL man boobs was not enough to keep it in the realm of football. I have to say, though, it was significantly about one player's experience at NU, even if from the perspective of a parent.

 

[stpaulcat]

It’s discouraging that the interesting threads keep getting deleted so all we’re left with are threads filled with doom & gloom about the direction of the program.

Now I’m back to thinking about BJo playing for Notre Dame. And wondering why Minnesota is landing OL & DL via the portal already and we’re not.

Could be that the perception among transfers is now that NU is not the place to make your mark. I hope that's not the case, being as NU appears the feeder school for ND.

 

[KappaKat]

He is leaving because the NFL scouts said you are not all that and he has convinced himself erroneously that this perception can be rectified by things people around him will do rather than what he needs to do.

"Man, will you shut up," with the BJo was exposed as not being good. You've stated this narrative ad nauseam. The man was second in solo tackles! Any defense that puts a classic free safety in a position to potentially have to lead the team in tackles has a suck arse defense and will be at the bottom in rushing defense, a la, 2021 NU defense. If this defense doesn't get significantly better in 2022, we will give up more yards per carry without BJo's speed.

 

[CoralSpringsCat]

It's probably not true, and I'm not so distraught about losing Joseph the player because '21 showed some clear flaws, but I can't help but think that getting steamrolled by Fleck in pursuit of his friend Stapp from College Station, was a part of finalizing his decision to transfer.

That’s absurd. His high school teammate transferring to Minnesota had no bearing on him transferring from NU.

 

[Bweiny]

That’s absurd. His high school teammate transferring to Minnesota had no bearing on him transferring from NU.

Believe what you want, but I have no idea how you can be so sure of it. If NU were killing it in the portal, including Stapp, there would be more objective evidence that '22 was going to be a turnaround season similar to the one Joseph was a part of in '20. The fact he chose to enter the portal is a devastating reflection of what next season looks like from inside the program.

 

[phatcat]

"Man, will you shut up," with the BJo was exposed as not being good. You've stated this narrative ad nauseam. The man was second in solo tackles! Any defense that puts a classic free safety in a position to potentially have to lead the team in tackles has a suck arse defense and will be at the bottom in rushing defense, a la, 2021 NU defense. If this defense doesn't get significantly better in 2022, we will give up more yards per carry without BJo's speed.

Brandon will get the last laugh. He'll play in the NFL. So, let's go Brandon, so to speak.

 

[stpaulcat]

Fitz has this ability to pull a rabbit out of a hat, and it appears that's what will be needed for next season. It's just sad that perfectly good rabbits have already escaped. Doesn't make sense.

 

[corbi296]

"Man, will you shut up," with the BJo was exposed as not being good. You've stated this narrative ad nauseam. The man was second in solo tackles! Any defense that puts a classic free safety in a position to potentially have to lead the team in tackles has a suck arse defense and will be at the bottom in rushing defense, a la, 2021 NU defense. If this defense doesn't get significantly better in 2022, we will give up more yards per carry without BJo's speed.

LOL, so much BS To unpack in this post it’s hard to know where to start. First, I’ve NEVER said Joseph was not a good player. If he was.not good, I would not be upset that he is leaving. Secondly, his unwillingness and inability to tackle WAS exposed last year when he failed to step up as a leader of this defense. Joseph wasn’t up to the challenge when for whatever reason NU asked hi. to do more than sit back in centerfield. If you don’t think that tape he put out there this year didn’t impact his current and future draft status, then I don’t know what to tell you. NFL safeties are expected to tackle and be factors in run support. Transferring to ND won’t change that and he is fooling himself if he thinks it will. Joseph will be drafted but where he gets drafted will be dictated by his play. If he shows last year was an anomaly and he becomes a willing and able factor in run support, he will be a top 3 round draft pick. If he doesn’t he will be a day 3 draft pick. That’s the case whether he is at NU or ND.

 

[KappaKat]

LOL, so much BS To unpack in this post it’s hard to know where to start. First, I’ve NEVER said Joseph was not a good player. If he was.not good, I would not be upset that he is leaving. Secondly, his unwillingness and inability to tackle WAS exposed last year when he failed to step up as a leader of this defense. Joseph wasn’t up to the challenge when for whatever reason NU asked hi. to do more than sit back in centerfield. If you don’t think that tape he put out there this year didn’t impact his current and future draft status, then I don’t know what to tell you. NFL safeties are expected to tackle and be factors in run support. Transferring to ND won’t change that and he is fooling himself if he thinks it will. Joseph will be drafted but where he gets drafted will be dictated by his play. If he shows last year was an anomaly and he becomes a willing and able factor in run support, he will be a top 3 round draft pick. If he doesn’t he will be a day 3 draft pick. That’s the case whether he is at NU or ND.

Damn! You still had to say it alllll overrrrrr againnnnnnnn! You really are upset that he's leaving

 

[phatcat]

LOL, so much BS To unpack in this post it’s hard to know where to start. First, I’ve NEVER said Joseph was not a good player. If he was.not good, I would not be upset that he is leaving. Secondly, his unwillingness and inability to tackle WAS exposed last year when he failed to step up as a leader of this defense. Joseph wasn’t up to the challenge when for whatever reason NU asked hi. to do more than sit back in centerfield. If you don’t think that tape he put out there this year didn’t impact his current and future draft status, then I don’t know what to tell you. NFL safeties are expected to tackle and be factors in run support. Transferring to ND won’t change that and he is fooling himself if he thinks it will. Joseph will be drafted but where he gets drafted will be dictated by his play. If he shows last year was an anomaly and he becomes a willing and able factor in run support, he will be a top 3 round draft pick. If he doesn’t he will be a day 3 draft pick. That’s the case whether he is at NU or ND.

I agree with the last part except for the last sentence. Another year of JON will ruin his draft status, a year in a (current) top 10 program will prepare him for the NFL and help his draft status. Just like Big Ben ran away from our sh1tshow of an offense, and is now in the NFL.

Heck, from the little I've seen him with the ball in his hands (limited PR, INT returns), he could play both ways. He's really good.

 

[GOUNUII]

Damn! You still had to say it alllll overrrrrr againnnnnnnn! You really are upset that he's leaving

Corbi is pretty close to spot on here KK.

I can assure you that draft evaluators in the NFL don't care at all about BJo's 2020 accolades. They will evaluate his physical tools, his character - both personally and as a player - and his demonstrable play making history through the filter of scheme fit. Going to ND won't move the needle in BJo's favor at all on any of those criteria.

1. Physical tools grade: Below average for a starting NFL safety. Below average speed and strength. Above average injury risk. The speed and force of the game may prove over time be too much for him.
2. Personal character: Strong in many ways.
3. Player character: Mixed bag. We're rebuilding. Will he quit on us too.
4. Play making skills: Shows great anticipation and recognition. Can flight the ball well and be disruptive in the flats and vertical passing game. Will struggle over the middle and vertically with larger receivers and speed receivers. See physical tool limitations under No. 1.

I see him going anywhere from the 5th round at best to an undrafted free agent if he doesn't improve his physical tools and corresponding measurables. He was never close to being a day one draft talent IMO. Very few safeties are.

GOUNUII

 

[GOUNUII]

I agree with the last part except for the last sentence. Another year of JON will ruin his draft status, a year in a (current) top 10 program will prepare him for the NFL and help his draft status. Just like Big Ben ran away from our sh1tshow of an offense, and is now in the NFL.

Heck, from the little I've seen him with the ball in his hands (limited PR, INT returns), he could play both ways. He's really good.

Can you be more specific? What makes you think Skow improved his draft status by going to ND? What will ND do for BJo? The pro personnel people I know say it means nothing. The draft "book" on these players won't materially change a bit whether they play for NU or ND.

GOUNUII

 

[corbi296]

Damn! You still had to say it alllll overrrrrr againnnnnnnn! You really are upset that he's leaving

Yes, any NU fan should be upset that he has chosen to leave.

 

[IGNORE2]

He is leaving because the NFL scouts said you are not all that and he has convinced himself erroneously that this perception can be rectified by things people around him will do rather than what he needs to do.

Let’s keep this one.

 

[IGNORE2]

You gotta do what you gotta do. It was only a matter of time. But still, 2K views, that says something. Apparently my post about OL man boobs was not enough to keep it in the realm of football. I have to say, though, it was significantly about one player's experience at NU, even if from the perspective of a parent.

From now on, everyone try to say football or fitz in some part of every post. Cuz maybe that will allow Lou to keep all that super expensive bandwidth from deletion…cuz you know…the mods are moderated too (if only one could hope…)

 

[IGNORE2]

Brandon will get the last laugh. He'll play in the NFL. So, let's go Brandon, so to speak.

I see what you did there.

 

[IGNORE2]

LOL, so much BS To unpack in this post it’s hard to know where to start. First, I’ve NEVER said Joseph was not a good player. If he was.not good, I would not be upset that he is leaving. Secondly, his unwillingness and inability to tackle WAS exposed last year when he failed to step up as a leader of this defense. Joseph wasn’t up to the challenge when for whatever reason NU asked hi. to do more than sit back in centerfield. If you don’t think that tape he put out there this year didn’t impact his current and future draft status, then I don’t know what to tell you. NFL safeties are expected to tackle and be factors in run support. Transferring to ND won’t change that and he is fooling himself if he thinks it will. Joseph will be drafted but where he gets drafted will be dictated by his play. If he shows last year was an anomaly and he becomes a willing and able factor in run support, he will be a top 3 round draft pick. If he doesn’t he will be a day 3 draft pick. That’s the case whether he is at NU or ND.

Save another one but I not sure why anymore.

 

[EvanstonCat]

It's not so much losing Joseph's talent, although, I assure you, he is a man among boys. Sure, he missed some tackles and coverages this year, but he was also 3rd on the team in tackles, tied for 2nd in solo, and did end up with 3 picks, including at least one spectacular one.

Back to my point - losing his talent hurts, but, his name is on the stadium wall! He's a captain. He's leaving, not for the draft, but because the team / coaching sucks. He wants to play in the NFL, and so he left, like Big Ben did. This staff has already probably cost him a year's NFL salary, because he'd have been a first day pick had he done as well as last year.

Someone said the other day that there were 3k players in the portal. I wonder how many of them were consensus All Americans at any point in their career.

BJo leaving for ND following Skorownek making the same move, both to increase their NFL prospects is extremely damaging, at least to our ability to recruit against ND. Not that we have a good record of beating them for recruits anyways but it just became even harder. Now, anyone who has any notions of being developed for the NFL, ND has a slam dunk message against us. Team captains and established players with NU left for ND because they thought they had a better chance to get to the League by going to ND than if they stayed. Not just once, but twice. Very damaging. Arguably any other school could use the talking point against us too, though the Slater and Newsome picks do help dull the damage a bit.

And to get to where we should want to get to, we really should aim to beat ND for recruits and on the field, and this just made it a lot harder.

I realize BJo is doing what he thinks he needs to do for his best interests, but man did he hurt us. Even more than Skorownek, simply because one instance you could brush off. This is a repeat, and especially for a guy who was already a consensus 1st team AA as a freshman, for him to make this move now is much more damaging. It's also another reason I am appalled that we haven't canned JON. Whether or not you believe the defense's debacle was due to him or not, he could have made a good scapegoat. Now we're stuck with him and the perception that a consensus AA couldn't thrive in his defense. Whereas if we replaced him, we could get around that a bit. As things stand, it's gonna hurt and I don't know how we are going to up our recruiting game, especially on the defensive side of the ball as a result. I don't know how we recover short of other players emerging, proving that they can develop and thrive and become 1st team AA's at NU and in this defense, but given what I've seen to date, and JON's pitiful track record, that prospect remains highly dubious to say the least.

 

[EvanstonCat]

LOL, so much BS To unpack in this post it’s hard to know where to start. First, I’ve NEVER said Joseph was not a good player. If he was.not good, I would not be upset that he is leaving. Secondly, his unwillingness and inability to tackle WAS exposed last year when he failed to step up as a leader of this defense. Joseph wasn’t up to the challenge when for whatever reason NU asked hi. to do more than sit back in centerfield. If you don’t think that tape he put out there this year didn’t impact his current and future draft status, then I don’t know what to tell you. NFL safeties are expected to tackle and be factors in run support. Transferring to ND won’t change that and he is fooling himself if he thinks it will. Joseph will be drafted but where he gets drafted will be dictated by his play. If he shows last year was an anomaly and he becomes a willing and able factor in run support, he will be a top 3 round draft pick. If he doesn’t he will be a day 3 draft pick. That’s the case whether he is at NU or ND.

You almost have to wish for the second. If he turns it around, rightly or wrongly, it would reinforce the notion that ND > NU or even that NU isn't the place to be period if you care about the NFL. A paradigm that is already entrenched and that we have been desperately trying to dislodge. The Slater and Newsome picks were incredible for us in that regards, but this works against us in the other direction big time.

 

[EvanstonCat]

It was nice to hear from everyone. It was also nice to be able to discuss contentious topics and everyone on all sides show mutual respect. I hope you are well Lou, and thank you for letting us share our thoughts. It was nice to interact with my Wildcat family.

I would note that it was most likely because certain unnamed individuals decided to withhold their participation from the thread. But, yes I enjoyed the personal growth from broadening my understanding of the genderbreadman and the characteristics of gender #35 that provided great insight into my aversion for JON and his pitiful defense, along with developing clarity for my personal position on the topic of animal abuse.

 

[EvanstonCat]

Corbi is pretty close to spot on here KK.

I can assure you that draft evaluators in the NFL don't care at all about BJo's 2020 accolades. They will evaluate his physical tools, his character - both personally and as a player - and his demonstrable play making history through the filter of scheme fit. Going to ND won't move the needle in BJo's favor at all on any of those criteria.

1. Physical tools grade: Below average for a starting NFL safety. Below average speed and strength. Above average injury risk. The speed and force of the game may prove over time be too much for him.
2. Personal character: Strong in many ways.
3. Player character: Mixed bag. We're rebuilding. Will he quit on us too.
4. Play making skills: Shows great anticipation and recognition. Can flight the ball well and be disruptive in the flats and vertical passing game. Will struggle over the middle and vertically with larger receivers and speed receivers. See physical tool limitations under No. 1.

I see him going anywhere from the 5th round at best to an undrafted free agent if he doesn't improve his physical tools and corresponding measurables. He was never close to being a day one draft talent IMO. Very few safeties are.

GOUNUII

I don't think there is anyone who is going to deduct points for him "quitting" on us. It certainly didn't hurt Ben Skowronek, and it doesn't hurt any number of players who transfer from one program to another.

 

[phatcat]

Can you be more specific? What makes you think Skow improved his draft status by going to ND? What will ND do for BJo? The pro personnel people I know say it means nothing. The draft "book" on these players won't materially change a bit whether they play for NU or ND.

GOUNUII

I don't remember the timing of Big Ben's departure vs Ramsey joining vs McCall firing, but I mean that he probably felt he needed to "run away" from 2019. Ramsey was good, he made chicken salad out of chicken feathers, and perhaps Big Ben would have done as much/more at NU than ND, but he certainly couldn't tolerate another 2019 and expect pro interest. Yes, he missed time with injury in 2019, but it was a historically bad offense, I believe it was our worst pass offense since the 70s. He simply couldn't take a chance on another year like that. For us fans, players come and go, seasons pass, but these guys have a very short time, literally weeks, to be ready for the NFL and impress the pros. Squander it, and you'll never get another chance. As for Joseph, I don't need a film study showing missed tackles. He did have a drop off. So - what would you do? Give JON the another year of read and react BS to build your draft stock. I wouldn't.

 

[phatcat]

For those of you that think Joseph was not a big loss, here's a link showing him in the top 5 of 3000 players in the portal. But - perhaps they are wrong, maybe he's only 20th out of 3000... /s

Updated look at the top 10 players available in the transfer portal

A handful of the nation’s top players are still looking for a new home.

longhornswire.usatoday.com

 

[corbi296]

For those of you that think Joseph was not a big loss, here's a link showing him in the top 5 of 3000 players in the portal. But - perhaps they are wrong, maybe he's only 20th out of 3000... /s

Updated look at the top 10 players available in the transfer portal

A handful of the nation’s top players are still looking for a new home.

longhornswire.usatoday.com

I don’t think I’ve read any post on this board claiming that Joseph is not a big loss. Where did you get that idea?

 

[phatcat]

I don’t think I’ve read any post on this board claiming that Joseph is not a big loss. Where did you get that idea?

I have to go to a meeting (i'm late) but I took like 5 minutes and copied pasted. Don't want to parse and say big loss vs not a big loss, for sure these are either a) downplaying his departure or b) downgrading his performance, or both.

He is leaving because the NFL scouts said you are not all that and he has convinced himself erroneously


Secondly, his unwillingness and inability to tackle WAS exposed last year when he failed to step up as a leader of this defense.


Physical tools grade: Below average for a starting NFL safety. Below average speed and strength. Above average injury risk. The speed and force of the game may prove over time be too much for him.
2. Personal character: Strong in many ways.
3. Player character: Mixed bag. We're rebuilding. Will he quit on us too.
4. Play making skills: Shows great anticipation and recognition. Can flight the ball well and be disruptive in the flats and vertical passing game. Will struggle over the middle and vertically with larger receivers and speed receivers. See physical tool limitations under No. 1.

I see him going anywhere from the 5th round at best to an undrafted free agent if he doesn't improve his physical tools and corresponding measurables. He was never close to being a day one draft talent IMO. Very few safeties are

His rush defense and tackling were putrid last year

He took advantage of great linebacking play last year and he was able to get some lucky interceptions because of tips and overthrowing the LBs downfield help him pick off the QB.

Not a big deal IMO. He thinks he’s a first rounder. He’s not . More like a FA at best. He had a shit year. Missed more tackles than made. It happens. Move on. Sky is not falling. Don’t be fooled by 2020 season. (followed by) Pretty harsh but actually fair analysis. The takeaway for me is that put into the right defense (ie. Hankwitz) BJo is All American good. Put him in a sh1t defense (ie. JON) he is below average.

the other way to put it is if you put him in a defense that protects him, asks him to mainly do one thing and surround him with a lot of other good players who are leaders, he played well. Put him in a scheme/situation Where he was asked to step up and become a complete safety, become a leader and be the player others look up to, he fell short at least initially

 

[corbi296]

I have to go to a meeting (i'm late) but I took like 5 minutes and copied pasted. Don't want to parse and say big loss vs not a big loss, for sure these are either a) downplaying his departure or b) downgrading his performance, or both.

He is leaving because the NFL scouts said you are not all that and he has convinced himself erroneously


Secondly, his unwillingness and inability to tackle WAS exposed last year when he failed to step up as a leader of this defense.


Physical tools grade: Below average for a starting NFL safety. Below average speed and strength. Above average injury risk. The speed and force of the game may prove over time be too much for him.
2. Personal character: Strong in many ways.
3. Player character: Mixed bag. We're rebuilding. Will he quit on us too.
4. Play making skills: Shows great anticipation and recognition. Can flight the ball well and be disruptive in the flats and vertical passing game. Will struggle over the middle and vertically with larger receivers and speed receivers. See physical tool limitations under No. 1.

I see him going anywhere from the 5th round at best to an undrafted free agent if he doesn't improve his physical tools and corresponding measurables. He was never close to being a day one draft talent IMO. Very few safeties are

His rush defense and tackling were putrid last year

He took advantage of great linebacking play last year and he was able to get some lucky interceptions because of tips and overthrowing the LBs downfield help him pick off the QB.

Not a big deal IMO. He thinks he’s a first rounder. He’s not . More like a FA at best. He had a shit year. Missed more tackles than made. It happens. Move on. Sky is not falling. Don’t be fooled by 2020 season. (followed by) Pretty harsh but actually fair analysis. The takeaway for me is that put into the right defense (ie. Hankwitz) BJo is All American good. Put him in a sh1t defense (ie. JON) he is below average.

the other way to put it is if you put him in a defense that protects him, asks him to mainly do one thing and surround him with a lot of other good players who are leaders, he played well. Put him in a scheme/situation Where he was asked to step up and become a complete safety, become a leader and be the player others look up to, he fell short at least initially

Saying that he did not step up and play well last year is not the same as saying he is not a big loss. He is a talented player with NFL potential who did not play to the best of his abilities. He has chosen to attribute that reality to factors that don’t involve personal accountability for how he played. That’s disappointing but in no way does it imply he is not a talented player. If he was not talented, we would not be talking about his departure. How many threads do you see talking about Jason Whillock’s decision to transfer?

 

[CatManTrue]

For those of you that think Joseph was not a big loss, here's a link showing him in the top 5 of 3000 players in the portal. But - perhaps they are wrong, maybe he's only 20th out of 3000... /s

Updated look at the top 10 players available in the transfer portal

A handful of the nation’s top players are still looking for a new home.

longhornswire.usatoday.com

He’s actually their 8th overall player if you read the tweet, but is #3 of who’s left.

And I believe someone posted that there are actually 1000 players total who have entered the portal so far, not 3000.

But even without this article & its entirely subjective rating, we all know he’s a huge loss. What’s surprising is how complacent our fans are after he’s pulling a Benedict and likely going to ND - blaming the player and not the coaches. This is shameful on several levels.

 

[GOUNUII]

He’s actually their 8th overall player if you read the tweet, but is #3 of who’s left.

And I believe someone posted that there are actually 1000 players total who have entered the portal so far, not 3000.

But even without this article & its entirely subjective rating, we all know he’s a huge loss. What’s surprising is how complacent our fans are after he’s pulling a Benedict and likely going to ND - blaming the player and not the coaches. This is shameful on several levels.

You indiscriminately stand by the players. Consistently soft on players and hard on coaches. Shameful to think otherwise? Hardly.

Players make coaches look good and bad far more often than the opposite. Players past and present recruit players today and are far more influential than coaches in that process. Players win and lose games all the time, far more often than coaches. The most important leadership on the team comes from the players.

So giving the players their due -- in recognition that it's by and large a players game -- it makes sense to recognize that when things go bad it's best for the players to start by taking a thumb. Both individually and as a group. Just as coach Walker would have it. Just as we saw in 1995 and 96 under Barnett. Just as we see in football and in life.

No. There's nothing shameful among fans who appreciate the wisdom of taking a thumb.

GOUNUII

 

[phatcat]

You indiscriminately stand by the players. Consistently soft on players and hard on coaches. Shameful to think otherwise? Hardly.

Players make coaches look good and bad far more often than the opposite. Players past and present recruit players today and are far more influential than coaches in that process. Players win and lose games all the time, far more often than coaches. The most important leadership on the team comes from the players.

So giving the players their due -- in recognition that it's by and large a players game -- it makes sense to recognize that when things go bad it's best for the players to start by taking a thumb. Both individually and as a group. Just as coach Walker would have it. Just as we saw in 1995 and 96 under Barnett. Just as we see in football and in life.

No. There's nothing shameful among fans who appreciate the wisdom of taking a thumb.

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One guy gets $5M+ a year. His cohorts probably make that much collectively. A top NU player (around 20 years old) might get a free car lease. I'll hold the 10M group accountable, thanks.

People throw roses at Fitz's (and Doc's) feet when successful. These same feet (Fitz and cohorts) need to be held to the fire when we suk. They recruit, develop and direct the players. The worst direct manager I ever had (a VP) once told his staff "if your team is not meeting their goals, it's because we've failed them".

 

[GOUNUII]

One guy gets $5M+ a year. His cohorts probably make that much collectively. A top NU player (around 20 years old) might get a free car lease. I'll hold the 10M group accountable, thanks.

People throw roses at Fitz's (and Doc's) feet when successful. These same feet (Fitz and cohorts) need to be held to the fire when we suk. They recruit, develop and direct the players. The worst direct manager I ever had (a VP) once told his staff "if your team is not meeting their goals, it's because we've failed them".

This isn't an either/or situation. Everybody needs to re-visit and improve all aspects of the program and their individual performance/contributions. I've been harsh on Fitz and some of his coaches as well. Especially on the recruiting front.

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[AdamOnFirst]

One guy gets $5M+ a year. His cohorts probably make that much collectively. A top NU player (around 20 years old) might get a free car lease. I'll hold the 10M group accountable, thanks.

People throw roses at Fitz's (and Doc's) feet when successful. These same feet (Fitz and cohorts) need to be held to the fire when we suk. They recruit, develop and direct the players. The worst direct manager I ever had (a VP) once told his staff "if your team is not meeting their goals, it's because we've failed them".

Pointing out when the players are at fault isn't about accountability in the same way it is with coaches, it's just part of the needed process of determining the actual problem, which is needed in order to fix them and experience success.

Not saying I don't agree that it's on Collins at this point. To bring up an inflammatory example, it's like a play where, oh, I dunno, Bryce Jackson massively whiffs on a basic tackle leading to a long touchdown and people go JOOONNNN!!!! Like, no, that was on the player, sorry.