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...I'd be surprised if he ever plays PG in non-garbage time. He's solid off the ball, and plays good defense already as a frosh, but his handling hasn't impressed me much. He's tentative when pressured, and doesn't trust his right hand at all. If I had to guess, I think most of his minutes during his NU tenure will be at the 2. Hope Isaiah Brown is ready to log in minutes at the 1 spot next year. We'll need him...

BTW, I hope Jordan reads this and totally proves me wrong...
 
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VirginiaWildcat said:
...I'd be surprised if he ever plays PG in non-garbage time. He's solid off the ball, and plays good defense already as a frosh, but his handling hasn't impressed me much. He's tentative when pressured, and doesn't trust his right hand at all. If I had to guess, I think most of his minutes during his NU tenure will be at the 2. Hope Isaiah Brown is ready to log in minutes at the 1 spot next year. We'll need him...

BTW, I hope Jordan reads this and totally proves me wrong...
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Wasn't he recruited as a shooting guard? If so, then why the angst about him not being a great PG? Tonight was the first night I have seen him actually look for his own shot. He got a lucky bank shot 3 but also a beautiful 3 at the shot clock buzzer. Tre and BMac will share the PG duties this season, and Brown was recruited as a PG to back up BMac next year.
 
A smaller guard still has to help handle the ball... something he must work on regardless of if he plays point. That he tried and hit a couple threes is a great sign. Need 8 rotation players and he will be one. But it is still Lindsey that we need to be big time.
 
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ToledoCat said:
A smaller guard still has to help handle the ball... something he must work on regardless of if he plays point. That he tried and hit a couple threes is a great sign. Need 8 rotation players and he will be one. But it is still Lindsey that we need to be big time.
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With everyone healthy, he's #10 among rotation players. The order is: JVZ, Lindsey, Tap, Skelly and then Jordan. So in a sense there is no pressure on him. He needs to let the game come to him and gain experience.
 
NJCat said:
If so, then why the angst about him not being a great PG?
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Angst? Just making an observation that his ballhandling needs work...and might prevent him from being a legit option at PG if it doesn't improve a good deal. I already stated that I love his play on the wing. Just looking down the road a bit...
 
VirginiaWildcat said:
...I'd be surprised if he ever plays PG in non-garbage time. He's solid off the ball, and plays good defense already as a frosh, but his handling hasn't impressed me much. He's tentative when pressured, and doesn't trust his right hand at all. If I had to guess, I think most of his minutes during his NU tenure will be at the 2. Hope Isaiah Brown is ready to log in minutes at the 1 spot next year. We'll need him...

BTW, I hope Jordan reads this and totally proves me wrong...
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If they only had another option...
 
I'd give the kid more time before writing him off since he's learning a new position.

Probably won't see strides until after the off-season where Ash can work on his handle and even then, wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Ash getting comfortable w/ that until his JR yr., but Brown might be taking up the back-up PG role anyway.

Still, it would be good for Ash playing the 2-guard to have worked on bringing up the ball.
 
I think he was recruited as a PG but spent his high school career playing SG next to Glynn Watson, now at Nebraska. There will be an adjustment period. But he needs to be able to play 5-10 minutes a game this season. Mac played too many minutes last year and was a shell of himself by the end.
 
And Larry Bird isn't walking through that door...
 
VirginiaWildcat said:
Vasser would have played behind Ash. He wouldn't have helped much, if at all.

Think it's time you let this one go, xyz. Vasser isn't coming back...
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That is not my point. The Vasser scenario overall. Somehow, CCC should have emerged from the offseason with a backup PG. Either Vasser, freshman or 5th year - anyone to run the point. That's it.
 
xyzbobxyz said:
That is not my point. The Vasser scenario overall. Somehow, CCC should have emerged from the offseason with a backup PG. Either Vasser, freshman or 5th year - anyone to run the point. That's it.
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Demps IS the backup PG. We have two guys that can play PG (BMac is better at it, however). They just both happen to be starters. Next year we'll also have two...BMac and Brown. Don't understand your constant bitching about this...
 
xyzbobxyz said:
That is not my point. The Vasser scenario overall. Somehow, CCC should have emerged from the offseason with a backup PG. Either Vasser, freshman or 5th year - anyone to run the point. That's it.
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Problem is, he does't have a scholarship to offer this season. NU is at their limit as long as Vassar is in school. So unless Collins could convince a 5th year to pay full ride grad school tuition he is screwed.
 
NJCat said:
Problem is, he does't have a scholarship to offer this season. NU is at their limit as long as Vassar is in school. So unless Collins could convince a 5th year to pay full ride grad school tuition he is screwed.
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You missed another thread. The whole way the Vasser matter has happened screams mismanagement. Either Vasser or his schollie should be on our bench right now.
 
xyzbobxyz said:
You missed another thread. The whole way the Vasser matter has happened screams mismanagement. Either Vasser or his schollie should be on our bench right now.
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So your constant bitching is because your mad at the staff. And bringing it up over and over makes a difference? What's done is done...deal with it.
 
xyzbobxyz said:
You missed another thread. The whole way the Vasser matter has happened screams mismanagement. Either Vasser or his schollie should be on our bench right now.
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Repeating what some others said on the Vassar thread, I don't think Vassar would have been a factor on this team. And none of us know the back-story as to why he is transferring so it is just board masterbation to speculate.
 
VirginiaWildcat said:
So your constant bitching is because your mad at the staff. And bringing it up over and over makes a difference? What's done is done...deal with it.
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Oh boy, are you trying to stir up a fight? Where's doc? Sue me for posting. Should I make note of your constant Pollyanna-ing?

Is what it is. Let's see how it plays out. Then let's argue. Meanwhile, take a pill and get some sleep.
 
NJCat said:
Repeating what some others said on the Vassar thread, I don't think Vassar would have been a factor on this team. And none of us know the back-story as to why he is transferring so it is just board masterbation to speculate.
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Just frustrating. We may never know why it happened. We will probably know what we might have had if he ever transfers. Maybe it's another Ajou, maybe another (kid that went to Marquette...name escapes me).

Backstory must be out there. Haywood refuses to comment and he seems to know stuff. Probably will take awhile, but tough to keep secrets in the modern world.
 
xyzbobxyz said:
Oh boy, are you trying to stir up a fight? Where's doc? Sue me for posting. Should I make note of your constant Pollyanna-ing?

Is what it is. Let's see how it plays out. Then let's argue. Meanwhile, take a pill and get some sleep.
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This made me chuckle because I remember reading threads here between 2008-2012. How things have changed, yet stayed the same.
 
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xyzbobxyz said:
Oh boy, are you trying to stir up a fight? Where's doc? Sue me for posting.
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It's not your posting that bothers me. It's the constant effort to bring up Vasser almost EVERYTIME you post about something. His days on the bball team are over...and we currently have two guys that can play PG...
 
VirginiaWildcat said:
It's not your posting that bothers me. It's the constant effort to bring up Vasser almost EVERYTIME you post about something. His days on the bball team are over...and we currently have two guys that can play PG...
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False VA. I post relevant to the topic. We just have had two recent threads related to PG. Ash nor Demps is a PG. I have posted on both relevant threads my frustration with the backup PG situation.

You pigeon hole me to bring Vasser back. Quite frankly, I could imagine many steps that would have secured Vasser's schollie for use after he announced his 'transfer.' Instead, we have an empty schollie and no backup PG and we are a D1 power 5 team without an NCAA berth and small margin for error. CCC has been nearly flawless. This is a doozy.
 
xyzbobxyz said:
False VA. I post relevant to the topic. We just have had two recent threads related to PG. Ash nor Demps is a PG. I have posted on both relevant threads my frustration with the backup PG situation.

You pigeon hole me to bring Vasser back. Quite frankly, I could imagine many steps that would have secured Vasser's schollie for use after he announced his 'transfer.' Instead, we have an empty schollie and no backup PG and we are a D1 power 5 team without an NCAA berth and small margin for error. CCC has been nearly flawless. This is a doozy.
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Except that we actually do have a backup PG. Why do you keep ignoring that?
 
xyzbobxyz said:
Just frustrating. We may never know why it happened. We will probably know what we might have had if he ever transfers. Maybe it's another Ajou, maybe another (kid that went to Marquette...name escapes me).

Backstory must be out there. Haywood refuses to comment and he seems to know stuff. Probably will take awhile, but tough to keep secrets in the modern world.
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Are you referring to the Messiah...the one and only Edward T. McCants who went onto stardom at UW- Milwuakee?!?!?!!!
 
NJCat said:
Repeating what some others said on the Vassar thread, I don't think Vassar would have been a factor on this team. And none of us know the back-story as to why he is transferring so it is just board masterbation to speculate.
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You cannot spell “masturbation” without “u”.
 
VirginiaWildcat said:
Demps IS the backup PG. We have two guys that can play PG (BMac is better at it, however). They just both happen to be starters. Next year we'll also have two...BMac and Brown. Don't understand your constant bitching about this...
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Which is not a good thing since Lindsey has still been too inconsistent.

But yeah, Ash, while probably needing to work on his handle regardless, might just end up getting minutes at the 2-spot w/ Brown coming in next season.

Quite amazing the streak the 'Cats have had w/ frosh PGs and the lack of back-up.

Juice - started as a frosh and played 4 seasons w/o any real injury issues.

Sobo - despite the grief that Sobo had gotten, he did play pretty well steering the O as a frosh.

And now BMac.

W/ the addition of Brown, this might be the 1st time in ages that the 'Cats have a legit back-up PG (tho don't know enough about Brown's ball handling and distribution skills, as all we have heard about him is his scoring ability); tho, last season, Sobo was a pretty good back-up PG to BMac.
 
NJCat said:
He can't be. We know the story of Edward T. McCants.....
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Edward T. McCants. Now, there's a name I haven't heard for a very long time...

Dude went on to win his league, win league MVP, win All America Honors, and brought his team to the Sweet Sixteen.

Edward T. McCants... What might have been if he hadn't turned to the dark side.
 
xyzbobxyz said:
That is not my point. The Vasser scenario overall. Somehow, CCC should have emerged from the offseason with a backup PG. Either Vasser, freshman or 5th year - anyone to run the point. That's it.
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He thought he had one in Vassar but then after recruiting for the year was over, Vassar decided he did not want to stay. He has a backup PG for next year coming in but that was as quickly as he could deal with it.
The timing of everything with Vassar not with the team providing even a few minutes or even practice fodder has limited CC's options. For now Demps acts as the backup when BM is out of the game.
 
xyzbobxyz said:
False VA. I post relevant to the topic. We just have had two recent threads related to PG. Ash nor Demps is a PG. I have posted on both relevant threads my frustration with the backup PG situation.

You pigeon hole me to bring Vasser back. Quite frankly, I could imagine many steps that would have secured Vasser's schollie for use after he announced his 'transfer.' Instead, we have an empty schollie and no backup PG and we are a D1 power 5 team without an NCAA berth and small margin for error. CCC has been nearly flawless. This is a doozy.
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And under BC we never had a backup at PG. Vassar was supposed to be the backup and he decided (for whatever reason) to transfer after it was too late for CCC to do anything about it. Then him staying further limited CCCs moves. For now, Demps is the backup PG. And CCC has dealt with the issue for next year which is as quickly as he could given the circumstances. He did not have another scholarship to offer other than the one that went to JVZ anyway. While Ash might help, he was recruited as a shooting guard and not as a PG. .
 
hdhntr1 said:
He thought he had one in Vassar but then after recruiting for the year was over, Vassar decided he did not want to stay. He has a backup PG for next year coming in but that was as quickly as he could deal with it.
The timing of everything with Vassar not with the team providing even a few minutes or even practice fodder has limited CC's options. For now Demps acts as the backup when BM is out of the game.
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Nobody knows for sure because everyone has been tight lipped. I think the best explanation, based on my personal experience in NU athletics and observing other athlete friends of mine at NU, is that CCC set the table to encourage Vasser's departure. Vasser said fine, I'll transfer and keep CCC from seemingly Creaning him. Vasser's options were shorter than expected and Vasser decided not to transfer to a lesser program. Vasser wanted back on and CCC said nope. Athletic department brokered a deal - everyone keeps their mouth shut and Vasser keeps his schollie. With a program on a big upswing and full of excitement, NU did not want anything to stain it or discourage recruiting, like trying to run off a former recruit simply because he was no longer in favor. Kinda kills the trust part of the recruiting pitch...

So far, that is the only version that I have heard that keeps Vasser on schollie at NU while not playing or practicing. I think it will be very interesting to see if that schollie opens next year. Unless they can get him on some other schollie that passes NCAA muster, Vasser may have realized pro ball was not in his future and parlayed his hand into a free NU degree at CCC's stubborn athletic expense.

Personally, I would have used him as a practice player unless a need developed, like not having a backup at PG. then I would have kept him suited and ready at the end of a long bench. I like CCC and all he has done - but my own personal opinion that I'm entitled to hold is that CCC spit the bit on this situation.
 
hdhntr1 said:
And under BC we never had a backup at PG. Vassar was supposed to be the backup and he decided (for whatever reason) to transfer after it was too late for CCC to do anything about it. Then him staying further limited CCCs moves. For now, Demps is the backup PG. And CCC has dealt with the issue for next year which is as quickly as he could given the circumstances. He did not have another scholarship to offer other than the one that went to JVZ anyway. While Ash might help, he was recruited as a shooting guard and not as a PG. .
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And how many tourneys did BC make? And Demps is the starting SG. Add title of backup PG and that's some risky minute allocation plus practice time. And I have explained my belief about the scenario. If I'm right, then CCC should drop the ego and utilize the holder of that schollie. If I'm wrong, then the AD should have gotten that schollie back by June and CCC should have found another option. Tell me that you don't think a 13th man option was available in June? Heck, CCC should have been looking for one the day the transfer intent was announced...or the day he decided to encourage Vasser to move on, whichever was the case.
 
EvanstonCat said:
Edward T. McCants. Now, there's a name I haven't heard for a very long time...

Dude went on to win his league, win league MVP, win All America Honors, and brought his team to the Sweet Sixteen.

Edward T. McCants... What might have been if he hadn't turned to the dark side.
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Are you implying that he wasn't kicked off the team for good reason? Seems fairly sound to me....

http://dailynorthwestern.com/2001/10/11/archive-manual/fall-parties-no-fun-for-city-residents/
 
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