Who would consider coaching here? Id prefer a bigten coordinator over another MAC head coach.
Id imagine kevin Johns would apply along with the NIU head coach.
Id imagine kevin Johns would apply along with the NIU head coach.
if Fitz did leave...
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Turk, I love you, but this might be the dumbest thread you ever started.
And if Kevin Johns did leave under a cloud, why in the world would he even think about applying?
This crap you are throwing against the wall just won't stick.
As pointed out numerous times, NU has done extremely well hiring FB (and BkB) HC, when the people involved have done their job, and attempted to find the best qualified individual available nationally (as oppose to not doing their job, and just picking the next guy "in house").
Deep in the dark ages, NU brought in a hot OC from a solid program. His name, DENNY GREEN.
Later, and still deep in the depth of futility, they brought in GARY BARNETT. After GB's enormous success, but following a couple of tough seasons, RANDY WALKER came on board.
Need we say more?
Obviously, the NU job if far MORE ATTRACTIVE now than it was when the previously mentioned great coaches were hired (especially the first 2). No reason at all to expect that NU would do any worse.
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the ole' Ball Coach...he's not saying hes retired, Bielema.....he will be available, Gruden/Cowher/ Dungy/Bellick.....lots of nice rings, Weis.....why not he hates the emdia they hate him hes getting paid by 2 schools so would work cheap, Row the boat....his losing conference record would match Fitz, Kiffin....just to see the Mrs.
Denny Green seems like a poor example. He was 10-45 here and never won more than 2 conference games.
Typical mistake...Not to consider the starting point.
DG took over deep in the dark ages, when NU was still busy setting its infamous 34-game losing streak (which DG couldn't avoid).
Considering that start point (imagine how easy must have been for DG to attract quality student athletes to NU then) DG did a reasonably good job. In fact, he even earned B1G coach of the year honors in his second season, when NU won 3 games, including what then seemed like a huge number of B1G games: 2.
You have to judge each coach from the perspective of the situation he inherited....for example, most reasonable people will agree that GB's 1995 B1G crown is a much bigger accomplishment than RW's. And it is not just because GB won the league undefeated. It is that the situation RW inherited (after consecutive B1G crowns a few years prior) was immensely better than what GB's encountered.
And that is also the reason why PF's record looks so pitiful....he took over after a decade of significant success, including but not limited to 3 B1G crowns.
Except his job was herculean compared to Barnett's. the gaping chasm between our program and everyone else we played was simply enormous. Of the 10 games he won - probably 8 of them were more impressive than our supposed 'program win' against a mediocre ND team last year.
Interstate 294, Northwestern zero. News at 11, Northwestern zero. and on and on.
Only a limited run of six Harbaughs were produced. Two identical Harbaughs walked into a concrete building and had to be salvaged for parts. One wandered onto a cargo ship and hasn't been seen since. Another two had to be destroyed because they posed a threat to anyone who came within 15 feet of them. The sixth found his way into a football locker room and became entranced.
Without looking I'm gonna guess NU has never hired a head coach straight from the MAC ever. Turk doing Turk things, per usual
Perhaps he thought Randy Walker ever coached at NU...that isn't so, right?
Typical Feli data picking. You judge Fitz on the 10 or 11 years before him so I will do the same. 10 years before Denny Green took over the cats were 6-3 in conference and the year before that NU was 6-1 in conference. 10 years after Denny Green left we were big ten champions. So why couldn't DG win more if he was such a good coach as you claim. See how easy it is to manipulate data...
Dude. Stop saying complimentary things about Kevin Johns. He doesn't deserve it. And I'm not talking about his coaching of our WRs.
So, we should judge every coach by his win/loss record, without considering the conditions of the program when he took over, right? That is your your point, no?
When DG took over NU was in process of setting a still standing futility record, get it? It was nowhere near being a remotely competitive B1G program. Yet, by DG's SECOND year NU reached the point of winning 25% of its B1G games....which is why DG was named B1G coach of the year.
When GB took over, the program was already minimally competitive, at least within the bottom quarter of the B1G. Under Peay, NU often won 2 B1G games in a given season. Of course, that wasn't good enough, but not nearly as bad as when it was losing 34 games in a row. Of course GB took the program to unimaginable heights. For this, GB already has a special place in college sports history. And yes, GB made a much bigger positive impact on NU FB than any other coach, including DG. But that isn't to say that DG did a poor job.
The problem with PF is that he took over IMMEDIATELY after a decade of major achievements which included 3 B1G crowns, and 3 consecutive non-losing or winning seasons immediately before his tenure. That is why his pattern of B1G victories (2-3-5-5-3-3-5-1-3) looks so poor.
You keep saying how poor Fitz is in the Big Ten. If you look at Fitz's Big Ten winning percentage it is the same as Walker and GB. They all have won 44% of their big ten games and Fitz has won a much higher percentage of non-conference games. Fitz is no GB but who is? certainly no other coach in NU history including RW and DG. So is your hope NU keeps cycling through coaches until they find another GB?
Start thinking before spewing the first thing that goes through your mind.
Coaches are supposed to build upon the achievements of their predecessors and reach heights that are not only comparable but at least marginally higher...PF has been unable to do so.
PF took over immediately after a decade in which the program won not one, not 2, but THREE B1G crowns by two different coaches. In 9 completed seasons, he hasn't even won a lowly division.
In the three seasons IMMEDIATELY preceding his tenure, the program won 4-5-5 B1G games. In 9 tries, PF has never exceeded this sequence even by ONE game. In fact, he has NEVER had a run of 14 B1G victories over 3 consecutive season...NEVER. Worse, he has won only 1-3 B1G games in 2/3 of his seasons.
Perhaps this will be the season when he FINALLY wins a B1G crown ( as both of his predecessors did), after 9 unsuccessful attempts. Considering this teams offensive limitations, with a D that is solid but by no means capable of single-handedly beat the conference top teams, more than likely for TEN years in a row, PF will fail to win a B1G crown, and quite likely a division. In that case, I hope we will all agree that 10 years of mediocrity is enough, and try someone else.
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you are incorrect. You see, this is where rumors get started. The reality is that FloridAlum is all about 'free' drinks. Big difference between working for drinks and free drinks.
Also he has a tendency to drop F bombs really really loud, so he may not work out too well in a press conference.
Thus, we have to scratch him off the list.
Not sure why you are saying my posts are "spewing". I somehow manage to post without CAPITALIZING words... I would argue Fitz has improved the program by maintaining our winning percentage in the Big Ten to the same as Walker and GB and greatly improving the out of conference winning percentage resulting in a higher overall winning percentage. If your job is to win games seems like he has improved over the coaches before him. Please see the percentages below instead of a line of numbers.
Overall Conf Non Conf
GB 45.8% 42.1% 53.8%
RW 44.6% 42.9% 48.1%
PF 54.7% 42.5% 75.6%
