I'm ready to move on from CC
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We played 6 guys on many of those teams. Those guys were going to be on the court until they dropped from exhaustion.
Young was an O'Neil recruit (about the only good thing he did here) and Vukusic came because Pat Baldwin (not a Carmody assistant), spotted him while playing overseas and recommended him. And surely, you are not comparing recruiting at MSU and Wisconsin with their history of success (and more friendly academic standards) to recruiting to Northwestern.
Why? If they were in the Ivy league they wouldn't get a single player that committed to them in the last 4 recruiting classes. Being in the Big 10 makes recruiting against smaller conferences pretty easy(the majority of the time). Compared to smaller conferences, our current recruiting is lights out. The problem is we are comparing recruiting to other Big 10 teams which makes our current level of recruiting average(which should make us better than the bottom feeder in the Big 10 that Collins has delivered the last several years).
MSU and Wisconsin have a history of success and that’s why they can consistently recruit unheralded guys and develop them into top players? Let’s just give up then. Why play B10 basketball? It’s too difficult clearly.
This is too much. MSU has recruited STUDS since the Magic days. I mean absolute studs, hardly development prospects.
If you were in charge, you could feel free to make that decision. We’re trying to assess the situation based in reality.
Cappy - this is great data. The recent Collins years before 2022 (19-21 especially) are hurting his overall results, for sure. 2022 itself is a wholly different story - we have never had such a high % of close games nor close losses. These two stats are slightly different than % close games lost, where we are in line with a lot of prior years.I posted this on Twitter the other day, before the Illinois and Rutgers games, but here's a chart showing the score margin over the last 4 "eras" of NU basketball - Carmody pre-NIT, Carmody NIT-end, Collins through tourney, and Collins since.
First, in all games:
and second, in only conference games:
Especially in conference games, you can see that the early Carmody teams had a sweet spot of losing by 11-15, though during the NIT years it was much more evenly distributed though still with quite a high share of blowouts. Likewise, Collins kept a similar profile through the tourney years in regards to losses by 16+, except he rarely won by 11 or more, while winning a lot more games by 10 or less than Carmody. The last five years, however, have seen the outright blowouts decrease significantly on both sides of the equation, but so have the close wins, while the close losses are at unprecedented levels.
We will see an improved winning % this year. We’ve already won more games than both of the prior two years and our easier games are ahead.
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All that and your chances of going dancing are limited to winning your conference tournament. The idea that if you moved NU to another conference its players would be different might make Willy’s head explode.
Wasn't it last year that State Penn was winless in the B1G until they played... us? We need to beat Neb on Saturday, and it won't be easy.
No. I’ll kick in a few shekels to keep CCC. We can only hope he’s signed to a ten year extension.
Good Lord, CCC has become our version of Tim Beckman and Lovey Dovey.
The last two games, Nebraska has had double digit leads in the first half, as well as being up by 8 and 7 with 6 minutes to go against Rutgers and Michigan respectively before blowing both games. They will see us as a must-win game, so I hope we are ready.
I think CCC started as a great recruiter when the new car smell was on the program with his arrival. That has passed and he is now below average recruiter and has always been below average coach.
And where do the players come from? The GM? The draft?
People keep saying this and that CCC is a great recruiter. I disagree. Already spoke to recruiting. But I also think a good game and development coach would have this team above 500. I think that coach would have returned to the dance the year after. I think we have had the horses but not developed or coached them well.
We beat the worse team in the B1G. So, yeah team? Does this victory make you think NU tourney bound? Does today change everything? Does it demonstrate that admissions doesn’t hold the team down!?!?
I think admissions isn’t the hurdle that some assume
It is definitely a hurdle, but not an insurmountable one. After all we did offer guys like EJ Liddell, Max Christie, PBJ and others. They just decided to play elsewhere. Now Mulcahy is another story...
It’s not the top tier of National recruits that are an admissions challenge. NU isn’t getting them anyway. It’s the rest of the recruiting pool that is shrunk so bad we often have far fewer options.
Based on the majority of your posts on here I guess you’ve been under the influence for the last 20 to 40 years.
Watching the Maryland v Ohio State game one of the commentators said, about Mark Turgeon “the situation had become unattainable for him and his family”. That just sounds so wrong.
Also, Bane from the Batman franchise is suiting up for Ohio State
Also, Bane from the Batman franchise is suiting up for Ohio State
Really? You need a Link to show we have a smaller pool of potential recruits than any other B1G team?
I don’t need a link to believe we have brought in talent from that smaller pool and not optimized.
That wasn’t the question Bob.
Of course the pool is smaller. I was questioning your use of “shrunk so bad” and “far fewer”. I think many on these boards fail to understand the academic exceptions basketball and football players get at NU.
Of course the pool is smaller. I was questioning your use of “shrunk so bad” and “far fewer”. I think many on these boards fail to understand the academic exceptions basketball and football players get at NU.
Just checking the record, MSU only made the tournament twice in the 10 years after Magic turned pro.
They were ranked in the final Top 25 only once in that 10 year span (the 1979-80 season thru the 1988-89 season)
After that, they made the tournament in 5 of 6 seasons, but only made the Sweet 16 once, losing the next game.
It was two years after Izzo became head coach in 1995 that the Spartans regained their dominance.
Ok, let’s say they have got studs the last 27 years then. They aren’t a program taking diamonds in the rough and turning them into shiny stars. The initial comparison makes no sense.
To me, they've def replaced Indiana as the B1G blue blood in the last 20+ years. Closest thing we have that could compete over the years with Duke/UNC/KY/Kansas
Heathcote was a pretty mediocre coach who lucked into Magic. Izzo is an all-time great.
It’s crazy how far Indiana hoops has fallen. Nobody who is an undergrad today can remember when they were nationally relevant, but good luck telling their fans that. Total denial.
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