Indoor Facility

[NJCat83588]

I guess it helps building a) in the Appalachian Mountains and b) nowhere near a body of water, but Va Tech built the largest indoor football facility for 10% of the budgeted cost of Taj Fitz.....

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dgR83?...dium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football

 

[hdhntr1]

I guess it helps building a) in the Appalachian Mountains and b) nowhere near a body of water, but Va Tech built the largest indoor football facility for 10% of the budgeted cost of Taj Fitz.....

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dgR83?...dium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football

One of the things that is hard to fathom is just how much more expensive it is to build in Chicago and on the lakefront than it is other places.

 

[Aging Booster]

NU can afford the best, so let's build it and enjoy it. As I tell my wife, if we have the money, why worry about the cost. If you are looking for bargains, do not attend a private school. Toys are fun!

 

[SciCat]

I guess it helps building a) in the Appalachian Mountains and b) nowhere near a body of water, but Va Tech built the largest indoor football facility for 10% of the budgeted cost of Taj Fitz.....

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dgR83?...dium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football

I'm curious what it would cost to build the facility in North Jersey or suburban NY City? More than in Chicago, probably.

 

[stpaulcat]

I guess it helps building a) in the Appalachian Mountains and b) nowhere near a body of water, but Va Tech built the largest indoor football facility for 10% of the budgeted cost of Taj Fitz.....

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dgR83?...dium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football

NOT true. Couldn't possibly be 10% of the cost of the NU facility. Unless the building program at VT is VASTLY smaller, simpler and constructed with less expensive materials. Material costs may even be more at VT due to transportation costs. NO WAY would labor rates be 90% less.

Although, footings/pilings and foundations 'could' contribute to higher costs (even significantly) due to soil conditions/bearing capacity/groundwater. But 90% higher seems a stretch. However, if that were the case, it wouldn't be because the building itself cost more, but rather dealing with soil conditions cost more.

 

[NJCat83588]

NOT true. Couldn't possibly be 10% of the cost of the NU facility. Unless the building program is VASTLY smaller, simpler and constructed with less expensive materials. Material costs may even be more at VT due to transportation costs. NO WAY would labor rates be 90% less. I thought they taught math at NU.

Read the article. It says that the cost was $21.3 Million. I can do the math, $21.3 M is less than 10% of $260M. The actual NU indoor facility is obviously less than $260 of course, because there is also the building next door with the athlete lounges, locker rooms, weight rooms, juice bars and jazzercise rooms in the NU plan.

 

[stpaulcat]

Read the article. It says that the cost was $21.3 Million. I can do the math, $21.3 M is less than 10% of $260M. The actual NU indoor facility is obviously less than $260 of course, because there is also the building next door with the athlete lounges, locker rooms, weight rooms, juice bars and jazzercise rooms in the NU plan.

Right, of course if your not comparing apples to apples (practice field to practice field), there will be a big difference. I take back my comment about doing the math, since there is the possibility of foundations contributing significantly to the NU cost.

 

[Turk]

Read the article. It says that the cost was $21.3 Million. I can do the math, $21.3 M is less than 10% of $260M. The actual NU indoor facility is obviously less than $260 of course, because there is also the building next door with the athlete lounges, locker rooms, weight rooms, juice bars and jazzercise rooms in the NU plan.

A building of that size and only $21 million??? Reminds me of the story of the 3 pigs. A few winds off the appy mountains and it will blow the place down.

 

[FakeFitz]

Read the article. It says that the cost was $21.3 Million. I can do the math, $21.3 M is less than 10% of $260M. The actual NU indoor facility is obviously less than $260 of course, because there is also the building next door with the athlete lounges, locker rooms, weight rooms, juice bars and jazzercise rooms in the NU plan.

And your point is what? Tell us, please! NU is paying too much?? Va Tech is paying too little?? I'm glad your architectural and engineering expertise is so great. It would be greatly appreciated around here.

 

[NJCat83588]

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And your point is what? Tell us, please! NU is paying too much?? Va Tech is paying too little?? I'm glad your architectural and engineering expertise is so great. It would be greatly appreciated around here.

Lighten up, Francis.............

My point was it is interesting how much cheaper it is in Blacksburg, VA than on the lake in Evanston. Nothing more.

As an aside, perhaps this is a contributing factor to losing a QB prospect to the Hokies this June. The Tech facility is complete while the Evanston facility is just 3 months into the permitting process.........

 

[Gladeskat]

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Lighten up, Francis.............

My point was it is interesting how much cheaper it is in Blacksburg, VA than on the lake in Evanston. Nothing more.

As an aside, perhaps this is a contributing factor to losing a QB prospect to the Hokies this June. The Tech facility is complete while the Evanston facility is just 3 months into the permitting process.........

I agree with FakeFitz. That was a lame post, equating two entirely different structures being build in two entirely different geological situations and comparing the cost. And how long was the VaTech facility in the permitting process?

 

[NJCat83588]

I agree with FakeFitz. That was a lame post,

It's June 16. What else is there to talk about? Geez.....

 

[hdhntr1]

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Lighten up, Francis.............

My point was it is interesting how much cheaper it is in Blacksburg, VA than on the lake in Evanston. Nothing more.

As an aside, perhaps this is a contributing factor to losing a QB prospect to the Hokies this June. The Tech facility is complete while the Evanston facility is just 3 months into the permitting process.........

And that is one of the things that a lot of people do not take into account of when suggesting that we just go out and spend money to compete. We have no land so everything is much more of an issue than it is for many schools

 

[FakeFitz]

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Lighten up, Francis.............

My point was it is interesting how much cheaper it is in Blacksburg, VA than on the lake in Evanston. Nothing more.

As an aside, perhaps this is a contributing factor to losing a QB prospect to the Hokies this June. The Tech facility is complete while the Evanston facility is just 3 months into the permitting process.........

First, young New Jerseyite, my name is Patrick, not Francis. Second, I can't lighten up. Intensity is in my blood. Third, it seems like you're spending way too much time in your little work cubicle with nothing to do.

 

[willycat]

NU can afford the best, so let's build it and enjoy it. As I tell my wife, if we have the money, why worry about the cost. If you are looking for bargains, do not attend a private school. Toys are fun!

And just when will they break ground for the long promised facility?

 

[NJCat83588]

First, young New Jerseyite, my name is Patrick, not Francis. Second, I can't lighten up. Intensity is in my blood. Third, it seems like you're spending way too much time in your little work cubicle with nothing to do.

a) I am not young, I'm very happily retired and living in beautiful North Carolina
b) Check out "Stripes" on Netflix, great Bill Murray pic
c) See a) above!

 

[Gladeskat]

It's June 16. What else is there to talk about? Geez.....

For starters, we can rip your lame post. I was entertained.

 

[SciCat]

For starters, we can rip your lame post. I was entertained.

I agree. With Wrassler mostly gone, it's nice to have some meaningless muck around here from someone else.

 

[GlideCat]

And your point is what? Tell us, please! NU is paying too much?? Va Tech is paying too little?? I'm glad your architectural and engineering expertise is so great. It would be greatly appreciated around here.

And away we go...

It looks like Virginia Tech's facility came in at about $400/SF (lots of guesses and assumptions). If the building 1) is a pre-engineered metal building with minimal architectural features, 2) has few if any break-off rooms, and 3) has a very simple HVAC requirements, then that is a low price even in a right-to-work state. It is possible that they subtracted out some donations and gifts which offset some of the costs or got a great deal from a contractor that was a fan.

For NU's proposed facility (just the open practice area and not including any of the ancillary spaces which will be more expensive on a square foot basis) I would add 8% for being in a union area rather than a right-to-work state (sorry union folks, this is a real number based on my first hand experience). I would add another 10% based on general higher prices in urban Chicago rather than rural Blacksburg (in the US, competition for labor surpasses materials costs, the materials would probably cost about the same since mark-up would be higher in Chicago against lower transportation costs), I would add 5% for the fancy window wall shown in the architects drawings, I would add 10% for HVAC requirements due to the window wall, I would add 5% for soft costs due to permitting, and I would add probably 50% for the foundations required due to depth of bedrock and wind speeds. Finally, I would add about 15% assuming that the window wall and other factors require a significantly different structure than a more standardized design. So we are looking at $812/SF for just the open area practice facility without taking into account any other niceties or finishes proposed for the NU facility. In reality, probably $900 - $1000 per square foot would be a reasonable guess which would make NU's open area practice facility well over double Virginia Tech's on its own.

The remainder of the ancillary interior and exterior spaces being far more expensive than the one large open area would be expected.

Of course, all of this is totally fabricated off of two numbers and my memory of some renderings of NU's facilities which I have not looked at in weeks. But hopefully it gives an idea of the kind of costs we may be looking at on the lakefront in Chicago versus Virginia Tech.

Yes, I am taking a kind of silly post seriously but it is June.

 

[mybrotha]

I agree with FakeFitz. That was a lame post, equating two entirely different structures being build in two entirely different geological situations and comparing the cost. And how long was the VaTech facility in the permitting process?

As per usual my good man Glades is correct. Or it could be the advertised cost and a deal the developer made in order to get something far more expensive. Sort of a loss leader of you may. I grew up in construction and developing and it's done all the time. But as many of you have pointed out ten percent of cost is absurd.

 

[hdhntr1]

And away we go...

It looks like Virginia Tech's facility came in at about $400/SF (lots of guesses and assumptions). If the building 1) is a pre-engineered metal building with minimal architectural features, 2) has few if any break-off rooms, and 3) has a very simple HVAC requirements, then that is a low price even in a right-to-work state. It is possible that they subtracted out some donations and gifts which offset some of the costs or got a great deal from a contractor that was a fan.

For NU's proposed facility (just the open practice area and not including any of the ancillary spaces which will be more expensive on a square foot basis) I would add 8% for being in a union area rather than a right-to-work state (sorry union folks, this is a real number based on my first hand experience). I would add another 10% based on general higher prices in urban Chicago rather than rural Blacksburg (in the US, competition for labor surpasses materials costs, the materials would probably cost about the same since mark-up would be higher in Chicago against lower transportation costs), I would add 5% for the fancy window wall shown in the architects drawings, I would add 10% for HVAC requirements due to the window wall, I would add 5% for soft costs due to permitting, and I would add probably 50% for the foundations required due to depth of bedrock and wind speeds. Finally, I would add about 15% assuming that the window wall and other factors require a significantly different structure than a more standardized design. So we are looking at $812/SF for just the open area practice facility without taking into account any other niceties or finishes proposed for the NU facility. In reality, probably $900 - $1000 per square foot would be a reasonable guess which would make NU's open area practice facility well over double Virginia Tech's on its own.

The remainder of the ancillary interior and exterior spaces being far more expensive than the one large open area would be expected.

Of course, all of this is totally fabricated off of two numbers and my memory of some renderings of NU's facilities which I have not looked at in weeks. But hopefully it gives an idea of the kind of costs we may be looking at on the lakefront in Chicago versus Virginia Tech.

Yes, I am taking a kind of silly post seriously but it is June.

Basically you are suggesting that it is more like our existing indoor facility which was pretty inexpensive as it was but part of about a $23 million fundraiser as I recall. Yes costs have gone up (probably triple since then) but still, that kind of prefab building is pretty inexpensive by comparison to what is being built here. I would guess you could double or maybe even triple the costs you have come up with for the new NU facility and be closer to the true costs. .

 

[willycat]

And away we go...

It looks like Virginia Tech's facility came in at about $400/SF (lots of guesses and assumptions). If the building 1) is a pre-engineered metal building with minimal architectural features, 2) has few if any break-off rooms, and 3) has a very simple HVAC requirements, then that is a low price even in a right-to-work state. It is possible that they subtracted out some donations and gifts which offset some of the costs or got a great deal from a contractor that was a fan.

For NU's proposed facility (just the open practice area and not including any of the ancillary spaces which will be more expensive on a square foot basis) I would add 8% for being in a union area rather than a right-to-work state (sorry union folks, this is a real number based on my first hand experience). I would add another 10% based on general higher prices in urban Chicago rather than rural Blacksburg (in the US, competition for labor surpasses materials costs, the materials would probably cost about the same since mark-up would be higher in Chicago against lower transportation costs), I would add 5% for the fancy window wall shown in the architects drawings, I would add 10% for HVAC requirements due to the window wall, I would add 5% for soft costs due to permitting, and I would add probably 50% for the foundations required due to depth of bedrock and wind speeds. Finally, I would add about 15% assuming that the window wall and other factors require a significantly different structure than a more standardized design. So we are looking at $812/SF for just the open area practice facility without taking into account any other niceties or finishes proposed for the NU facility. In reality, probably $900 - $1000 per square foot would be a reasonable guess which would make NU's open area practice facility well over double Virginia Tech's on its own.

The remainder of the ancillary interior and exterior spaces being far more expensive than the one large open area would be expected.

Of course, all of this is totally fabricated off of two numbers and my memory of some renderings of NU's facilities which I have not looked at in weeks. But hopefully it gives an idea of the kind of costs we may be looking at on the lakefront in Chicago versus Virginia Tech.

Yes, I am taking a kind of silly post seriously but it is June.

Your probably close on the estimated costs and maybe NU could cut back on some of the extras. Still wouldn't you rather be living and playing in Evanston then Blackburg Virginia. I know I would.

 

[docrugby1]

Indoor Facility

I am a resident of Virginia and pis&%$ off that VT spent 21 million on an indoor facility. I know Blacksburg is near West Virginia but indoor plumbing has been available there for at least 10 years-did they use diamond encrusted toilets and platinum fixtures ?

 

[NJCat83588]

Indoor Facility

I am a resident of Virginia and pis&%$ off that VT spent 21 million on an indoor facility. I know Blacksburg is near West Virginia but indoor plumbing has been available there for at least 10 years-did they use diamond encrusted toilets and platinum fixtures ?

Fabulous!!!!