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ISU Rewatch Thoughts

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Because I'm apparently a glutton for punishment, I went back and rewatched the ISU game on Sunday. Waited a few days to mull things over before posting because the rewatch probably made me more angry than watching live and in person (though we did leave early in the fourth quarter to get home in time for kiddo's bedtime routine; we NEVER leave early, but were almost searching for excuses).

Anyway, here goes:

1) The biggest problem I see is a top-to-bottom lack of physicality and even aggressiveness. Besides Anderson's block to open the second half and a few glimpses from a handful of guys (Prater and Wyatt were at least trying; Lancaster on occasion), the ISU game was one of the softest performances I've ever seen on the football field. The OL won't punch anyone and still takes the SOFTEST PASS SETS I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE; the DL are just accepting blocks and/or running straight down the middle of blockers without much of a pass rush plan; the WRs are accepting re-routes without fighting at all; corners refuse to play much of anything besides a bail technique; LBs and DBs won't touch anyone in coverage for fear of getting a flag; nobody on defense is tackling with any kind of authority.

On offense, part of the problem is scheme and part of it is personnel. It's hard to really inflict your will on a defense when you're running mostly lateral zone plays (which play to Jackson's strengths as a runner), but the OL can at least hit someone while running it. Didn't see that once. Instead saw ISU DL getting underneath our OL and jolting them backward after uncovered OL essentially retreated a yard and pulled at the snap. Awful.

There's just no excuse on defense. We lost Lowry and Gibson, but the guys who are back have all played plenty of football while Miller and Gaziano look to belong physically. Walker, Prater, Hall, and Jones have played tons of football. Same for Igwebuike and Queiro. They just have to start doing it.

2) The most frustrating example of lacking physicality and aggressiveness was a pass in the middle of the second quarter where ISU hit a corner route to the west sideline between Hartage and Queiro. Both guys were in position to make a play, but both were content to keep shadowing the WR without making a play on the ball. I screamed about it in person and almost broke my television during the rewatch. Baffling from guys who thought highly enough of themselves to continue with the "sky team" motif.

3) I continue to maintain that Thorson is not the problem on the offense. He snapped off some pretty impressive throws and had a LOT of drops from the wideouts. He wasn't terribly effective on long passes downfield, but the wideouts weren't doing many favors by struggling to get separation (and when they did get loose, the OL had already missed their blocks so Clayton was running around; see the Wilson downfield pass). Even the scheme was a bit better, including moving the pocket and some quick-hitting slants/outs. Without significant improvement from the WR and OL, we may be in danger of wasting a very talented young arm and/or stunting his development.

4) There were too many baffling coaching decisions to list them all in detail. Most egregious to me is having Harris downfield on KO coverage (if you want him as safety go for it, but running down the middle of the field? At least he wasn't returning punts) and not taking the points when available in lieu of going for it on fourth down. We also seemed to get both cute (trying to run traps from a goal line set coming out of our own end zone) and aggressive (why three straight throws into the end zone from 16 yards out before the missed field goal?) when the game situation dictated exactly the opposite.

Overall, it was an incredibly flat performance when we should have come out with our hair on fire regardless of the opponent. The defense didn't do anything special, but weren't awful. The offense was just flat-out bad, getting their collective tail whipped by an FCS opponent. If you're going to talk about going 11-1 and winning national championships after losing your home opener to WMU, you don't have any room for error. Coming out flat against an FCS opponent is flat-out unacceptable.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to fix it. I had worried about the offense finding an identity going into the season, but had no such concerns about the defense. Instead, the entire team needs to do some soul searching to figure out how they want to respond. While changes can be made without personnel changes (coaching staff and players), I won't be convinced anything has really changed until and if we start putting together much better and more consistent on-field performances one way or another.
 
Agree pretty much with everything you said especially with the OL playing soft. There were many Matador blocks (Ole) - I counted 4 or 5 whiffs by Hance alone.

Another thing, extra weight is not always good weight as I think has been proven by Odenigbo and Walker. If anything, NU should have kept IO as a linebacker and at a max 245 lbs. When he runs on and off the field now he has a waddle that he never had before. I think many times the NU staff tries to shoehorn-in an excellent athlete (away from his natural position) to a position of need because they were not successful in recruiting for that position.

Jones and Prater are showing what fast, mobile LBs can do. Look at the weights of SEC linebackers and also their quickness to the ball plus see how their DLs get off blocks. NU's DL is not doing that.
 
Well, it sounds as if the issue is primarily between the ears, and maybe under the sternum (vs. actual talent) for the players, and on the clipboard for the coaches.

I think everyone has a "switch." You have to find it and figure out how to turn it on.
 
Because I'm apparently a glutton for punishment, I went back and rewatched the ISU game on Sunday. Waited a few days to mull things over before posting because the rewatch probably made me more angry than watching live and in person (though we did leave early in the fourth quarter to get home in time for kiddo's bedtime routine; we NEVER leave early, but were almost searching for excuses).

Anyway, here goes:

1) The biggest problem I see is a top-to-bottom lack of physicality and even aggressiveness. Besides Anderson's block to open the second half and a few glimpses from a handful of guys (Prater and Wyatt were at least trying; Lancaster on occasion), the ISU game was one of the softest performances I've ever seen on the football field. The OL won't punch anyone and still takes the SOFTEST PASS SETS I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE; the DL are just accepting blocks and/or running straight down the middle of blockers without much of a pass rush plan; the WRs are accepting re-routes without fighting at all; corners refuse to play much of anything besides a bail technique; LBs and DBs won't touch anyone in coverage for fear of getting a flag; nobody on defense is tackling with any kind of authority.

On offense, part of the problem is scheme and part of it is personnel. It's hard to really inflict your will on a defense when you're running mostly lateral zone plays (which play to Jackson's strengths as a runner), but the OL can at least hit someone while running it. Didn't see that once. Instead saw ISU DL getting underneath our OL and jolting them backward after uncovered OL essentially retreated a yard and pulled at the snap. Awful.

There's just no excuse on defense. We lost Lowry and Gibson, but the guys who are back have all played plenty of football while Miller and Gaziano look to belong physically. Walker, Prater, Hall, and Jones have played tons of football. Same for Igwebuike and Queiro. They just have to start doing it.

2) The most frustrating example of lacking physicality and aggressiveness was a pass in the middle of the second quarter where ISU hit a corner route to the west sideline between Hartage and Queiro. Both guys were in position to make a play, but both were content to keep shadowing the WR without making a play on the ball. I screamed about it in person and almost broke my television during the rewatch. Baffling from guys who thought highly enough of themselves to continue with the "sky team" motif.

3) I continue to maintain that Thorson is not the problem on the offense. He snapped off some pretty impressive throws and had a LOT of drops from the wideouts. He wasn't terribly effective on long passes downfield, but the wideouts weren't doing many favors by struggling to get separation (and when they did get loose, the OL had already missed their blocks so Clayton was running around; see the Wilson downfield pass). Even the scheme was a bit better, including moving the pocket and some quick-hitting slants/outs. Without significant improvement from the WR and OL, we may be in danger of wasting a very talented young arm and/or stunting his development.

4) There were too many baffling coaching decisions to list them all in detail. Most egregious to me is having Harris downfield on KO coverage (if you want him as safety go for it, but running down the middle of the field? At least he wasn't returning punts) and not taking the points when available in lieu of going for it on fourth down. We also seemed to get both cute (trying to run traps from a goal line set coming out of our own end zone) and aggressive (why three straight throws into the end zone from 16 yards out before the missed field goal?) when the game situation dictated exactly the opposite.

Overall, it was an incredibly flat performance when we should have come out with our hair on fire regardless of the opponent. The defense didn't do anything special, but weren't awful. The offense was just flat-out bad, getting their collective tail whipped by an FCS opponent. If you're going to talk about going 11-1 and winning national championships after losing your home opener to WMU, you don't have any room for error. Coming out flat against an FCS opponent is flat-out unacceptable.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to fix it. I had worried about the offense finding an identity going into the season, but had no such concerns about the defense. Instead, the entire team needs to do some soul searching to figure out how they want to respond. While changes can be made without personnel changes (coaching staff and players), I won't be convinced anything has really changed until and if we start putting together much better and more consistent on-field performances one way or another.

Thanks. Don't disagree with much here - so adding to it...

1) The single worst OL performance I can remember since Michigan '14, and before that, Air Force. For all his promise, Hance looked like he was sleepwalking, and I may be convinced that Olson or Mahoney graduating would be addition by subtraction. These guys are seniors, and I am seriously wondering if we are better off letting the frosh get some time. They can't be worse.

2) While Thorson may not be the problem, I thought he was average at best, particularly with footwook + predetermining this throws, but he was still a huge step up from last year. I no longer expected the worst everytime he released the ball. (as a side note, Thorson may have the biggest difference in side to side vs straightline speed I have seen). P.S. Wilson, you know better, keep your feet moving!

3) I don't understand why we kept running the wide zone when ISU was blowing it up over and over again. For the love of god, show some aggressiveness and go after them. Give Jackson a chance to make a play.

4) Interesting seeing both WMU and ISU scheming to neutralize Walker (partially why you are seeing huge numbers from Prater this early).

5) Fitz clearly has less than average confidence in Mitchell. Which is disappointing, given that I thought he would take a step up after dedicating himself to football.

Finally, I have been a fan of this staff for a very long time, and I don't think they suddenly forgot to coach, but the regression this team is showing can only be blamed so much on the players. Don't know whether it was recruiting guys for the wrong scheme, players not spending the time to get better, or simply bad coaching, but at some point, we need a change. and this is getting silly.

I also respect McCall's ability to tailor the offense for the personnel we have, but sometimes, in doing so, we have the unintended effect of making a strength a weakness - which is doing our OL no favors.

Next week is going to be tough, especially starting Hartage and Williams at CB, so if the offense is ever going to step up, this is the time.
 
2) The most frustrating example of lacking physicality and aggressiveness was a pass in the middle of the second quarter where ISU hit a corner route to the west sideline between Hartage and Queiro. Both guys were in position to make a play, but both were content to keep shadowing the WR without making a play on the ball. I screamed about it in person and almost broke my television during the rewatch. Baffling from guys who thought highly enough of themselves to continue with the "sky team" motif.
I thought that we had a sure interception on that play.
 
The OL players seem to get worse instead of better as they progress in their career. Hance is only the latest in a long line of players that I feel have regressed, instead of getting better during their NU careers. Just another damning piece of evidence regarding Cushing's abilities as an OL coach.
 
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The OL players seem to get worse instead of better as they progress in their career. Hance is only the latest in a long line of players that I feel have regressed, instead of getting better during their NU careers. Just another damning piece of evidence regarding Cushing's abilities as an OL coach.

I wonder if Hance had ever encountered a DE rushing from way outside. That must require a different blocking strategy than for someone rushing from just outside one's outside shoulder.
 
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Because I'm apparently a glutton for punishment, I went back and rewatched the ISU game on Sunday. Waited a few days to mull things over before posting because the rewatch probably made me more angry than watching live and in person (though we did leave early in the fourth quarter to get home in time for kiddo's bedtime routine; we NEVER leave early, but were almost searching for excuses).

Anyway, here goes:

1) The biggest problem I see is a top-to-bottom lack of physicality and even aggressiveness. Besides Anderson's block to open the second half and a few glimpses from a handful of guys (Prater and Wyatt were at least trying; Lancaster on occasion), the ISU game was one of the softest performances I've ever seen on the football field. The OL won't punch anyone and still takes the SOFTEST PASS SETS I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE; the DL are just accepting blocks and/or running straight down the middle of blockers without much of a pass rush plan; the WRs are accepting re-routes without fighting at all; corners refuse to play much of anything besides a bail technique; LBs and DBs won't touch anyone in coverage for fear of getting a flag; nobody on defense is tackling with any kind of authority.

On offense, part of the problem is scheme and part of it is personnel. It's hard to really inflict your will on a defense when you're running mostly lateral zone plays (which play to Jackson's strengths as a runner), but the OL can at least hit someone while running it. Didn't see that once. Instead saw ISU DL getting underneath our OL and jolting them backward after uncovered OL essentially retreated a yard and pulled at the snap. Awful.

There's just no excuse on defense. We lost Lowry and Gibson, but the guys who are back have all played plenty of football while Miller and Gaziano look to belong physically. Walker, Prater, Hall, and Jones have played tons of football. Same for Igwebuike and Queiro. They just have to start doing it.

2) The most frustrating example of lacking physicality and aggressiveness was a pass in the middle of the second quarter where ISU hit a corner route to the west sideline between Hartage and Queiro. Both guys were in position to make a play, but both were content to keep shadowing the WR without making a play on the ball. I screamed about it in person and almost broke my television during the rewatch. Baffling from guys who thought highly enough of themselves to continue with the "sky team" motif.

3) I continue to maintain that Thorson is not the problem on the offense. He snapped off some pretty impressive throws and had a LOT of drops from the wideouts. He wasn't terribly effective on long passes downfield, but the wideouts weren't doing many favors by struggling to get separation (and when they did get loose, the OL had already missed their blocks so Clayton was running around; see the Wilson downfield pass). Even the scheme was a bit better, including moving the pocket and some quick-hitting slants/outs. Without significant improvement from the WR and OL, we may be in danger of wasting a very talented young arm and/or stunting his development.

4) There were too many baffling coaching decisions to list them all in detail. Most egregious to me is having Harris downfield on KO coverage (if you want him as safety go for it, but running down the middle of the field? At least he wasn't returning punts) and not taking the points when available in lieu of going for it on fourth down. We also seemed to get both cute (trying to run traps from a goal line set coming out of our own end zone) and aggressive (why three straight throws into the end zone from 16 yards out before the missed field goal?) when the game situation dictated exactly the opposite.

Overall, it was an incredibly flat performance when we should have come out with our hair on fire regardless of the opponent. The defense didn't do anything special, but weren't awful. The offense was just flat-out bad, getting their collective tail whipped by an FCS opponent. If you're going to talk about going 11-1 and winning national championships after losing your home opener to WMU, you don't have any room for error. Coming out flat against an FCS opponent is flat-out unacceptable.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to fix it. I had worried about the offense finding an identity going into the season, but had no such concerns about the defense. Instead, the entire team needs to do some soul searching to figure out how they want to respond. While changes can be made without personnel changes (coaching staff and players), I won't be convinced anything has really changed until and if we start putting together much better and more consistent on-field performances one way or another.
I can't believe you rewatched that horrific game! Oh well,learn from it! My take is different! We have schematic problems on both sides of the ball. JJ played his worst game because of injury. I'd blitz more, get rid of running too much off tackle. You r right about Harris and some other stuff
 
Lack of aggressiveness comes from the coaches. All the coach speak, right way to do things, blah, blah - line up and knock somebody's head off. Football. Watching the bend don't break defense when in theory we have/had outstanding DB's .... can't figure that one out.
 
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