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I've been seeing some people (mostly on the Michigan side) complaining about Vic Law stepping on the sideline when he was inbounding on the play that led to the tying 3 in OT.

BTN then made an issue out of it (and tweeted out video claiming it was a blown call).

Of course, it's perfectly legal to step on the sideline when inbounding unless you step completely over the line. It's also legal to jump up and down with the ball, dribble it, or run backward with it as far as you want when inbounding. Just one of those rules people seem to misunderstand. Even players don't seem to get it, as I often see them keeping a pivot foot when looking for a pass even though that's not required.

Just thought it was interesting that it came up as a "controversy" when it wasn't a bad call.
 
Just asking, but you're saying it's legal to step on the sideline and have part of your foot over the line?
 
I think that the only time you can jump up and down is when it is after a made basket. In a sideline out of bounds play like that, I believe you have to maintain your pivot foot
 
You know what's definitely illegal? Blocking a shot after it hits the backboard.

If these things are supposed to even out in the long run, then this was our turn to get a break. I don't have any guilt whatsoever, nor does a bad call - if it even was one - detract from the absolute ridiculousness of what happened last night.
 
DCF, I am shocked by this as much as you are but after a little googling I think Secho is correct.

I think if asked 90% of basketball players would get this one wrong.
 
Is the line in or out? If stepping on the line if you are in bounds is considered to be going out of bounds, wouldn't the line itself then be out of bounds? That would mean he would have to actually have part of his foot across the innermost edge of the line in order to have stepped in bounds.. I mean, otherwise, the white stripe is both in and out at the same time. The three point line only matters for the outer edge. THe rest of the line is meaningless and is only for giving a contrast in order to determine if the outermost part has been breached. In FB, a guy is considered to be in the endzone if the tip of the ball touches the outermost part of the line, therefore the line is considered in the endzone. But if the kid is coming out of the endzone, is he out when he touches the innermost part of the line or is it not until he crosses the outermost part? Just saying, the line is either in or out but I don't think it can be both. Therefore, I don't think stepping on the line from out of bounds would be stepping onto the court and no violation would have occurred.

This post was edited on 3/4 10:31 AM by hdhntr1
 
Again, while I think he is correct for an inbounds play after a made basket or FT, I think jumping up and down on a sideline (or other non basket related inbounds play) would be considered traveling. And this was a sideline out of bounds. I do think he is correct that the person inbounding can step on the line but not over because the innermost edge of the line would be considered to be the edge of the playing surface and the rest of the stripe is just there to provide contrast. THe line itself should not be able to be both in and out.. I mean by definition, the court is supposed to be exactly 94 by 50 feet having the line being both in and out makes the dimensions different for different purposes
 
I found a reference that said the player inbounding the ball has a three foot cushion in either direction, which would allow a step. Don't know if that is an actual rule.
 
Originally posted by hdhntr1:
Is the line in or out? If stepping on the line if you are in bounds is considered to be going out of bounds, wouldn't the line itself then be out of bounds? That would mean he would have to actually have part of his foot across the innermost edge of the line in order to have stepped in bounds.. I mean, otherwise, the white stripe is both in and out at the same time. The three point line only matters for the outer edge. THe rest of the line is meaningless and is only for giving a contrast in order to determine if the outermost part has been breached. In FB, a guy is considered to be in the endzone if the tip of the ball touches the outermost part of the line, therefore the line is considered in the endzone. But if the kid is coming out of the endzone, is he out when he touches the innermost part of the line or is it not until he crosses the outermost part? Just saying, the line is either in or out but I don't think it can be both. Therefore, I don't think stepping on the line from out of bounds would be stepping onto the court and no violation would have occurred.

This post was edited on 3/4 10:31 AM by hdhntr1
I have the same question, and I hope someone can answer it. Is the white line itself in bounds or out of bounds? This seems to be different in different sports. Anyone know for certain?
 
hdhnter1 is right. To be a violation, the player must establish a part of their body completely in bounds (clear of the line) before releasing the ball. Otherwise, they are still considered "out of bounds". You'll see it called sometimes when a player is hurrying to get the ball inbounds and already kind of running up court as they inbound the ball, but this wasn't a violation. hdhnter1 is also right that you must maintain a pivot foot on an out-of-bounds play that isn't after a made basket. Otherwise, it is considered traveling.
 
Originally posted by rwhitney014:

You know what's definitely illegal? Blocking a shot after it hits the backboard.

If these things are supposed to even out in the long run, then this was our turn to get a break. I don't have any guilt whatsoever, nor does a bad call - if it even was one - detract from the absolute ridiculousness of what happened last night.
Michigan lost because they didn't foul Cobb when up 3 at the end of OT, not because of some missed (or not missed) call.
 
Originally posted by hoosboot:
hdhnter1 is also right that you must maintain a pivot foot on an out-of-bounds play that isn't after a made basket. Otherwise, it is considered traveling.
No. This is directly from the NCAA rule book:

"Pivot foot restrictions and the traveling rule are not in
effect for a throw-in."

The player throwing the ball in must simply keep one foot within the "designated spot," which is an area three feet wide that is established when you receive the ball from the referee. You can shuffle your feet within that zone as much as you want, and you can jump up and down. Moving outside of that zone is an inbound violation on a dead-ball, but is in no way "traveling."

There is also "no depth limitation" to the three-foot zone, so you may move backward with the ball as far as you can without running into something. In small colleges, sometimes there's like 15 feel between the end line and a back wall, so if you want (it would probably be a little dumb) you could run back those entire 15 feet while looking for an inbound pass, as long as you don't leave the three-foot side-to-side zone.

And yes, the entire line is out of bounds. Stepping on the line on a throw-in means you're still out of bounds. It's only a violation if your toe goes over the line. You can also have your foot off the ground and over the line, as long as it doesn't touch inbounds before you release the ball.
 
Yep to all that. The exact wording of what constitutes in bounds and out of bounds is:
Art. 1. Boundary lines of the playing court shall consist of end lines and sidelines.
The inside edges of these lines define the inbounds and out-of-bounds areas.
 
Thanks, Secho! Different levels have such different rules about minor things that I feel badly for the officials sometimes! I didn't realize the NCAA had a different rule on this than high school.
 
Here is a group of the most misunderstood rules in BB. Law was not in violation and the BIG announcers were incorrect. You are correct about the inbounds movement within the 3 ft area.

http://www.sdhsaa.com/Portals/0/PDFs/Officials/Basketball/MostMisunderstoodBasketballRules.pdf

Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules
This is a list of basketball rules that are often misunderstood by coaches, players, and
parents. This has been developed over the past twenty-five years, officiating thousands of
basketball games, listening to erroneous comments from players, coaches, and mostly
from fans, and thinking, "I wish I could stop the game and explain the real rule to them".
This list is not meant to only train officials, but rather, it is meant to educate players,
coaches, and fans.
It is my hope that many of you will find this list useful in some way. Perhaps some of you
may use the list, or a portion of the list, with your own local board. At the minimum, I'm
sure that this list will spark some lively, professional discussion.
1. It is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be
intelligently applied in each play situation. A player of a team should not be
permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be
permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
intended by a rule.

2. A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within
the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above
the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or
the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in
the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is
avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

3. The backboard has nothing to do with goaltending. Goaltending is contacting the
ball on its downward flight, above the level of the rim, with a chance to go in. On
most layups, the ball is going up after it contacts the backboard. It is legal to pin
the ball against the backboard if it still on the way up and not in the imaginary
cylinder above the basket. Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference
nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a
backboard so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw
attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a
technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally
slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

4. The front, top, sides, and bottom of the backboard are all in play. The ball cannot
pass over a rectangular backboard from either direction. The back of a backboard
is out of bounds as well as the supporting structures.

5. The traveling rule is one of the most misunderstood rules in basketball. To start a
dribble, the ball must be released before the pivot foot is lifted. On a pass or a
shot, the pivot foot may be lifted, but may not return to the floor before the ball is
released. A player may slide on the floor while trying to secure a loose ball until
that player's momentum stops. At that point that player cannot attempt to get up or rollover. A player securing a ball while on the floor cannot attempt to stand up
unless that player starts a dribble. A player in this situation may also pass, shoot,
or call a timeout. If the player is flat on his or her back, that player may sit up
without violating.

6. During a fumble the player is not in control of the ball, and therefore, cannot be
called for a traveling violation. A fumble is the accidental loss of player control
when the ball is unintentionally dropped or slips from a player's grasp. After a
player has ended a dribble and fumbled the ball, that player may recover the ball
without violating. Any steps taken during the recovery of a fumble are not
traveling, regardless of how far the ball goes and the amount of advantage that is
gained. It is always legal to recover a fumble, even at the end of a dribble,
however that player cannot begin a new dribble, which would be a double dribble
violation. A player who fumbles the ball when receiving a pass may legally start a
dribble.

7. The shooter can retrieve his or her own airball, if the referee considers it to be a
shot attempt. The release ends team control. It is not a violation for that player to
start another dribble at that point. When an airborne player keeps control of an
attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the
floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a jump ball. If, in this situation, the
shooter releases the ball, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues.

8. Palming or carrying is when a player gains an advantage when the ball comes to
rest in the player's hand, and the player either travels with the ball, or dribbles a
second time. There is no restriction as to how high a player may bounce the ball,
provided the ball does not come to rest in a player's hand. Steps taken during a
dribble are not traveling, including several that are sometimes taken when a high
dribble takes place. It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble.

9. A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a
designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or
over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to
jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward
as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the
three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not travelling. In gymnasiums
with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be
asked to step back no ore than three feet.

10. The defender may not break the imaginary plane during a throwin. If the defender
breaks the imaginary plane during a throwin, the defender's team will receive a
warning. Any subsequent violations will result in a team technical foul. If the
defender contacts the ball after breaking the imaginary plane, it is a player
technical foul and a team warning will be recorded. If the defender fouls the
inbounding player after breaking the imaginary plane, it is an intentional personal foul, and a team warning will be recorded.

11. The inbounding player does not have a plane restriction, but has five seconds to
release the ball and it must come directly onto the court. The ball can always be
passed into the backcourt during a throwin. This situation is not a backcourt
violation.

12. If a player's momentum carries him or her off the court, he or she can be the first
player to touch the ball after returning inbounds. That player must not have left
the court voluntarily and must immediately return inbounds. That player must
have something in and nothing out. It is not necessary to have both feet back
inbounds.

13. If a blind screen is set on a stationary defender, the defender must be given one
normal step to change direction and attempt to avoid contact. If a screen is set on
a moving defender, the defender gets a minimum of one step and a maximum of
two steps, depending on the speed and distance of the defender.

14. The hand is considered part of the ball when the hand is in contact with the ball.
This includes holding, dribbling, passing, or even during a shot attempt. Striking a
ball handler or a shooter on that player's hand that is incidental to an attempt to
play the ball is not a foul, no matter how loud it sounds or how much it hurts.

15. Reaching in is not a foul. The term is nowhere to be found in any rulebook. There
must be contact to have a foul. The mere act of reaching in, by itself, is nothing. If
contact does occur, it's either a holding foul or an illegal use of hands foul. When
a player, in order to stop the clock, does not make a legitimate play for the ball,
holds, pushes or grabs away from the ball, or uses undue roughness, the foul is an
intentional foul.

16. Over the back is not a foul. The term is nowhere to be found in any rulebook.
There must be contact to have a foul. A taller player may often be able to get a
rebound over a shorter player, even if the shorter player has good rebounding
position. If the shorter player is displaced, then a pushing foul must be called. A
rebounding player, with an inside position, while boxing out, is not allowed to
push back or displace an opponent, which is a pushing foul.

17. A defensive player does not have to remain stationary to take a charge. A
defender may turn away or duck to absorb contact, provided he or she has already
established legal guarding position, which is both feet on the playing court and
facing the opponent. The defender can always move backwards or sideways to
maintain a legal guarding position and may even have one or both feet off the
playing court when contact occurs. That player may legally rise vertically. If the
defender is moving forward, then the contact is caused by the defender, which is a
blocking foul.
18. The mere fact that contact occurs does not constitute a foul. Incidental contact is
contact with an opponent which is permitted and does not constitute a foul.
Contact, which occurs unintentionally in an effort by an opponent to reach a loose
ball, or contact which may result when opponents are in equally favorable
positions to perform normal defensive or offensive moves, should not be
considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe. Contact which does not
hinder an opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive
movements should be considered incidental.

19. A ten-second count continues when the defense deflects or bats the ball in the
backcourt. When a dribbler is advancing the ball into the frontcourt, the ball
maintains backcourt status until both feet and the ball touch entirely in the
frontcourt.

20. During a throwin, even under a team's own basket, if the throwin is deflected,
tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in
the backcourt; or after a missed field goal attempt or a missed foul shot attempt, if
the ball is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an
offensive player in the backcourt; these are not a backcourt violations. In both
cases team control, a player holding or dribbling the ball, has not yet been
established.

21. During a throwin or jump ball, any player; or a defensive player, in making a
steal; may legally jump from his or her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with
both feet off the floor, and return to the floor with one or both feet in the
backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference
whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or the backcourt. These three
situations are not backcourt violations.

22. The closely guarded rule is in effect in frontcourt only, when a defender is within
six feet of the ball handler. Up to three separate five-second counts may occur on
the same ball handler, holding, dribbling, and holding. The count continues even
if defenders switch. The five-second count ends when a dribbler gets his or her
head and shoulders ahead of the defender.

23. The intent of the three-second rule is to not allow an offensive player to gain an
advantage. Referees will not call this violation if the player is not gaining an
advantage. There is no three-second count between the release of a shot and the
control of a rebound, at which time a new count starts. There is no three-second
count during a throwin. There is no three-second count while the ball is in the
backcourt. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the
restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try
for goal.

24. The head coach may request and be granted a timeout if his or her player is
holding or dribbling the ball, or during a dead ball period. A player saving the ball in the air can ask for and be granted a timeout even if that player is going out of
bounds. The key is whether or not the player has control of the ball.

25. On free throws, there is a maximum of two offensive players and four defensive
players in the six marked lane spaces. The defense must be in both bottom spaces
on all free throws. The shooter and all the players in the designated lane spaces
must wait until the ball hits rim or backboard before entering the lane. During a
free throw, no opponent, including bench personnel, may disconcert the free
thrower.

26. Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot. An
unintentionally kicked ball is never illegal, regardless of how far the ball goes and
who recovers it. It is also illegal to hit the ball with a fist.

27. Players may not participate while wearing jewelry. Religious medals or medical
alert medals are not considered jewelry. A religious medal must be taped and
worn under the uniform. A medical alert medal must be taped and may be visible.
Headbands must be made of a single colored cloth. Rubber or cloth elastic bands
may be used to control hair. Undershirts must be similar in color to the jersey and
shall not have frayed or ragged edges. State associations may on an individual
basis, allow a player to participate while wearing a head covering, if it is worn for
medical or religious reasons, provided that the covering is not abrasive, hard, or
dangerous, and is attached in such a way that it is highly unlikely to come off
during play. Written documentation should be available.

28. Officials are not required to explain judgment calls, but they may explain some
calls if approached by the head coach in a respectful manner. Officials have been
instructed to call technical fouls for profanity, unsporting acts and excessive
complaints or verbal abuse.

29. Officials do not make calls that decide the outcome of a game. Players commit
fouls and violations; officials view those infractions, judge the action, and then
apply the rules of the game to what they had viewed. The rules then determine the
penalty. Officials are on the court to be the only unbiased arbiters of the game.
Officials are not concerned with who wins or loses, but only fairness and safety.
Everyone else in that gym cares about winning, and therefore cannot look at the
game objectively.
 
According tto the most misunderstood rules of BB that I posted, this is not correct
 
Originally posted by hdhntr1:
According tto the most misunderstood rules of BB that I posted, this is not correct
The NCAA rule states that if a ball has touched the backboard and any part of the ball is above the rim, it is considered to be on its downward flight (even if the ball is physically still moving upward) and thus it is goaltending.

I'm not sure how the NBA or high school handles this.
 
So with that, the Law play was not illegal. That said, Law did violate the rules once when he was running along the baseline trying to guard the inbounds pass and stepped on the line
 
The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

...an out of bounds throw in are incredible. The only time a player can move (not maintain a pivot foot) is after an opponent makes a basket or a free throw. Stepping on "the line" before releasing the ball is never allowed with or without the requirement of maintaining a pivot foot.

The fact that some of the posters in this thread don't know this is a direct reflection on the basketball knowledge of your fans and is most certainly tied to the incredibly poor teams NW has fielded...well, forever. How would you even know what basketball is about?
 
Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

Found a pic of MRock_2 outside the Big House recently

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Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

Originally posted by MRock_2:
...an out of bounds throw in are incredible. The only time a player can move (not maintain a pivot foot) is after an opponent makes a basket or a free throw. Stepping on "the line" before releasing the ball is never allowed with or without the requirement of maintaining a pivot foot.

The fact that some of the posters in this thread don't know this is a direct reflection on the basketball knowledge of your fans and is most certainly tied to the incredibly poor teams NW has fielded...well, forever. How would you even know what basketball is about?
Seriously, how much fun was that game!!
 
Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

Pretty sure this was written using a PC at the Hazel Park Library.
 
Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...


Originally posted by MRock_2:
...an out of bounds throw in are incredible. The only time a player can move (not maintain a pivot foot) is after an opponent makes a basket or a free throw. Stepping on "the line" before releasing the ball is never allowed with or without the requirement of maintaining a pivot foot.

The fact that some of the posters in this thread don't know this is a direct reflection on the basketball knowledge of your fans and is most certainly tied to the incredibly poor teams NW has fielded...well, forever. How would you even know what basketball is about?
As pointed out above, the below passage is from the NCAA rule book. You do know how to read, correct? Thanks for amusing us with your extensive knowledge of basketball rules, though.

"Pivot foot restrictions and the traveling rule are not in
effect for a throw-in."

The player throwing the ball in must simply keep one foot within the "designated spot," which is an area three feet wide that is established when you receive the ball from the referee. You can shuffle your feet within that zone as much as you want, and you can jump up and down. Moving outside of that zone is an inbound violation on a dead-ball, but is in no way "traveling."

There is also "no depth limitation" to the three-foot zone, so you may move backward with the ball as far as you can without running into something. In small colleges, sometimes there's like 15 feel between the end line and a back wall, so if you want (it would probably be a little dumb) you could run back those entire 15 feet while looking for an inbound pass, as long as you don't leave the three-foot side-to-side zone.

And yes, the entire line is out of bounds. Stepping on the line on a throw-in means you're still out of bounds. It's only a violation if your toe goes over the line. You can also have your foot off the ground and over the line, as long as it doesn't touch inbounds before you release the ball.





This post was edited on 3/4 9:05 PM by mikewebb68
 
Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

Read item nine in the above post of most misunderstood rules in baskeball. It states clearly that a player can step on the line but not over. Basically they are usint the edge of the line as the actual line rather than the whole broad strip.
 
Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

Read item nine in the above post of most misunderstood rules in basketball. It states clearly that a player can step on the line but not over. Basically they are usint the edge of the line as the actual line rather than the whole broad strip.

9. A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a
designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or
over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to
jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward
as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the
three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not travelling. In gymnasiums
with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be
asked to step back no ore than three feet.
 
Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

How would you know what the rules of basketball are all about? Apparently you've never read them or you would have cited them. Typical lazy state school scholarship.

I smell Walmart.





This post was edited on 3/5 3:08 AM by Gladeskat
 
Re: The comments in this thread regarding the rules of...

Originally posted by MRock_2:
.... Stepping on "the line" before releasing the ball is never allowed with or without the requirement of maintaining a pivot foot.

The fact that some of the posters in this thread don't know this is a direct reflection on the basketball knowledge of your fans and is most certainly tied to the incredibly poor teams NW has fielded...well, forever. How would you even know what basketball is about?
The fact that a coach doesn't realize that fouling who might otherwise make a game-extending desperation 3-point shot as time was running out is a direct reflection on the low basketball IQ of that team.

The fact that a player would throw an inbounding pass out of bounds untouched, with the score tied, is a direct reflection on the basketball savvy and skill of that squad.

The fact that the out of bounds area includes the line itself is well-known.
 
I can't believe I read this entire thread. The only saving grace is that it became clear to me that hardly anyone here knows a damn thing about basketball. Even those that correctly stated the rules needed to look them up! There is no such thing as traveling on the baseline! You can jump and chop your feet all you want when inbounding, even when you're not restricted by the 3 foot movement rule. And OF COURSE you can toe the line when inbounding as long as you don't go over. Some courts don't even have "line" per se. They have one color out of bounds and a different color inbounds. On many courts, there is no line!! You're either in or out. Where there are lines, the rules make it clear to avoid confusion. That's all.

Say it 3 times slowly: There is no such thing as traveling on the baseline. Say it slowly: the inside of the line (if there even is a line) is the OB line. The outside doesn't matter. Jesus, people...
 
Did anyone notice that Law stepped on the out of bounds line when inbounding late in the game ?
 
Did anyone notice that since we've been winning games, suddenly nobody is bitching about the officiating and how there is a grand conspiracy against NU and in favor of the top-tier programs? And, in fact, now we have a thread defending the officials against bitching from another fanbase? Funny how that works.
 
Originally posted by Styre:
Did anyone notice that since we've been winning games, suddenly nobody is bitching about the officiating and how there is a grand conspiracy against NU and in favor of the top-tier programs? And, in fact, now we have a thread defending the officials against bitching from another fanbase? Funny how that works.
Wow...you're really holding onto to that, aren't you, Styre. Say what you want, but the officials took away two wins from us early in the conference season. Even Bardo has said that...multiple times.
 
You're right about that Syre. But if I'm PSU I've got a pretty legitimate bitch. The play two nights ago is just unbelievable...player gets shoved from behind on a breakaway and gets called for a foul.

Also, saw some of the MSU game and it remains incredible how they let Izzo scream and bitch for minutes and no T.

The former is an example of an off year in Big Ten officiating. The latter is favoritism that carries over for the elite programs from year to year.

NU legitimately had one game and you could argue two moved from the loss column to the win column by poor officiating. As CCC said, "someone has to be accountable."
 
As a Pennsylvania resident, I feel no sympathy for Penn State at all, and I actually root for them when they're not playing NU. There's a vocal minority of PSU fans who are convinced that the B1G and officials in general are constantly out to get them. It's gotten very old.

Most coaches are given a lot of latitude. Many of them are so far out of the coaches' box that they're often actually standing on court during play. Crean at Indiana and Groce at Illinois are big offenders in this regard, but I've probably seen every coach in the league do it at one time or another.

I've seen plenty of calls go against NU over the years, so I never feel the need to apologize if we get one. It's part of the game.
 
Originally posted by Medill90:
You're right about that Syre. But if I'm PSU I've got a pretty legitimate bitch. The play two nights ago is just unbelievable...player gets shoved from behind on a breakaway and gets called for a foul.
Somehow I find it amusing when great injustice occurs on the basketball court and no foul is called. It's even better when they call a foul on the wrong guy. The whining and looks of disbelief are priceless. In the MSU vs Purdue game recently MSU's center, Costello, was running down court when Purdue's Hollins gave him a deliberate cheap shot with his shoulder that sent him flying to the court. It was contact you might see on a kickoff. A fricking decleater! No foul was called and Izzo went nuts.

In an early game this year, Olah was deliberately shoved so hard along the baseline that he went sprawling out of sight and presumably into the fans at the end of the court. No foul.
 
I realize that there was lots of conspiracy talk and agree that the general premise is pretty out there, but some calls are black and white and are just wrong. Those goaltending calls shouldn't have been a matter of discretion. The officials were just flat wrong.

But, hey, we're somehow shooting for our 7th B1G win tomorrow. At the beginning of the year, I'm not sure a lot of people would have been too upset with that prognostication.
 
Originally posted by Styre:
Did anyone notice that since we've been winning games, suddenly nobody is bitching about the officiating and how there is a grand conspiracy against NU and in favor of the top-tier programs? And, in fact, now we have a thread defending the officials against bitching from another fanbase? Funny how that works.
Personally, I like how we shot 10 free throws during the course of a double overtime where we were pounding the ball inside. Olah took 18 shots and was fouled once? Right.
 
The Iowa fans are completely convinced that the Big Ten officials have it out for them. NU beat Iowa because the officials swallowed their whistles in the second half.

I know for a fact that the officials try incredibly hard to get it right all of the time. But they are human. When they are affected by Izzo's star personality they are reacting like humans. In the PSU game when a player who gets shoved from behind and is then called for the foul its because the official thought he saw something else.

But if you administer the league you have to take a look at it. As Dakich said, the officials won't stand and talk to Groce or another lesser celebrity for the same amount of time the he talks to Izzo. That is fixable.

And the horrible calls like the goaltending should have accountability when they are so off the charts bad. I think the NFL does a nice job with this when after games they say a call was missed.
 
While Law did not step over the line when he was inbounding the ball, he did step over the line when Michigan was trying to inbound the ball and that was not called. But both were relatively easy to miss.
 
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