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McIntosh is going to blow away our single season assists record

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The current record is 157 by Doyle in '07. BMac is already up to 122 with 14 games to go before the BTT.
 
The current record is 157 by Doyle in '07. BMac is already up to 122 with 14 games to go before the BTT.

Stephen Bardo on Bryant McIntosh:

"I'm going to go out on a limb here: Bryant McIntosh will play on the the next level. He can play in the NBA."

Strong stuff.
 
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The current record is 157 by Doyle in '07. BMac is already up to 122 with 14 games to go before the BTT.

BMac's 11 assists today was a career high. However, the single-game record (14) is still held by Assistant Coach Patrick Baldwin.
 
The current record is 157 by Doyle in '07. BMac is already up to 122 with 14 games to go before the BTT.
I don't follow the stats so closely, but I was shocked prior to the OSU game when they showed 7.1 per game. That is a huge college number. With normal improvement and an increase in talent around him, he could lead the nation in his junior or senior year.
 
Well what makes him effective no matter what is his ability to penetrate and pass his shot wasn't falling but he still was one of the if not the most important part of our offense. (You could argue falzon) Bmac has some excellent court vision I love watching him play
 
9th in the nation coming into today. Will pass Denzel Valentine, so he will be at least 8th.
 
Starting to get the sense that B Mac would do better w the assists if the talent around him was a little better. Guys are breaking off cuts early or not going to the right spot so they're not there for the pass. At first I thought it was B Mac being too aggressive. Now I'm starting to question.
 
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Starting to get the sense that B Mac would do better w the assists if the talent around him was a little better. Guys are breaking off cuts early or not going to the right spot so they're not there for the pass. At first I thought it was B Mac being too aggressive. Now I'm starting to question.

+1. Two passes-- One to Lindsey on the left baseline and one to JVZ in the post-- were especially egregious examples from this game, imo.
 
They missed an assist tonight. Is that something they will go back and change? He had an assist to Skelly when Skelly got fouled and made the layup. For some reason he wasn't credited with it.
 
They missed an assist tonight. Is that something they will go back and change? He had an assist to Skelly when Skelly got fouled and made the layup. For some reason he wasn't credited with it.
Interesting that the record was only 157. 4 years of juice and the PO with Shurna and the like and he never even got to 157? He never got to even, say 4.5 APG?
 
Last night Demps played within himself. Yes some shots were falling but he only shot 13 times which for him is really low. Best thing about his game last night, 8 assists. Last night he played as more the player I think he can be. Solid all around game. Thought I was posting to a different thread.
 
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A stupid question, but what is required to get credit for an assist, I.e. Definition?

Here's the definition from NBA.com (I assume the NCAA doesn't have a different definition): An assist is a pass that directly leads to a basket.

These days pretty much any pass that eventually leads to a basket will get credited as an assist though. There is plenty of commentary discussing the increasingly liberal definition of an assist out there. I still believe in a stricter interpretation. The play where Mac broke the record is a good example. He kicks it out to Demps at the three-point line. Demps shot fakes and dribbles almost into the lane before shooting. How did Mac's pass create that basket? Demps did the work to create it.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Mac on the record. I look forward to more great things from him at NU.
 
Here's the definition from NBA.com (I assume the NCAA doesn't have a different definition): An assist is a pass that directly leads to a basket.

These days pretty much any pass that eventually leads to a basket will get credited as an assist though. There is plenty of commentary discussing the increasingly liberal definition of an assist out there. I still believe in a stricter interpretation. The play where Mac broke the record is a good example. He kicks it out to Demps at the three-point line. Demps shot fakes and dribbles almost into the lane before shooting. How did Mac's pass create that basket? Demps did the work to create it.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Mac on the record. I look forward to more great things from him at NU.
I agree that that was a pretty liberal interpretation. Of course, Demps was fairly open and could have just taken the three but chose to go for a better, higher probability shot.
 
So why didn't Mac get an assist when he passed it to Skelly and it led directly to a basket?
 
Interesting that the record was only 157. 4 years of juice and the PO with Shurna and the like and he never even got to 157? He never got to even, say 4.5 APG?
We were a low FG-scoring team at the time. Fewer FGs means fewer assists,
 
Here's the definition from NBA.com (I assume the NCAA doesn't have a different definition): An assist is a pass that directly leads to a basket.

...The play where Mac broke the record is a good example. He kicks it out to Demps at the three-point line. Demps shot fakes and dribbles almost into the lane before shooting. How did Mac's pass create that basket? Demps did the work to create it.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Mac on the record. I look forward to more great things from him at NU.

I was coming to post that same observation. The assist led directly to the basket. A pump fake and two dribbles and an off balance leaner also contributed. It doesn't matter, of course, and Mac certainly is deserving of the recognition.

About 20 years ago, Stockton broke the NBA record. He dumped it in to Karl Malone. Malone made the play. (I think it was a backdown dribble, but I don't recall entirely.)

I'm in favor of anything that gives recognition for something beyond scoring, even if it's inconsistently applied.
 
Here's the definition from NBA.com (I assume the NCAA doesn't have a different definition): An assist is a pass that directly leads to a basket.

These days pretty much any pass that eventually leads to a basket will get credited as an assist though. There is plenty of commentary discussing the increasingly liberal definition of an assist out there. I still believe in a stricter interpretation. The play where Mac broke the record is a good example. He kicks it out to Demps at the three-point line. Demps shot fakes and dribbles almost into the lane before shooting. How did Mac's pass create that basket? Demps did the work to create it.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Mac on the record. I look forward to more great things from him at NU.

It doesn't make up for all the assists he's robbed of when he makes a pass, a guy gets fouled and misses the field goal but then makes a free throw or two. That those passes don't get any statistical credit is a black hole in the usefulness of evaluating PG play.
 
We were a low FG-scoring team at the time. Fewer FGs means fewer assists,
We were not that low a FG scoring team. What was there , maybe a 5 point per game difference?We are also talking when we played more games than any other time (with NIT appearances) Never getting injured and being in almost every minute. And he never even got to even 157? Same with Sobo who for two years was on the floor every minute. Again, the Offense was designed for a lot of assists and still 157 was the peak? And the top guys you can think of did not even get to that? Just saying pretty surprising
 
We were not that low a FG scoring team. What was there , maybe a 5 point per game difference?We are also talking when we played more games than any other time (with NIT appearances) Never getting injured and being in almost every minute. And he never even got to even 157? Same with Sobo who for two years was on the floor every minute. Again, the Offense was designed for a lot of assists and still 157 was the peak? And the top guys you can think of did not even get to that? Just saying pretty surprising

Don't know what to tell you, BMac has a phenomenal assist rate this season (11th in the nation in APG ). None of the other guys you mentioned had an assist rate even close to that for any season in their careers. Assuming that we play only 8 more games this season, we are projecting out to 844 made field goals. Now, we did beat that projection in 2010-11 (853) but in most recent years we have not come close to that figure. Stats are stats.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/77/northwestern-wildcats
 
Don't know what to tell you, BMac has a phenomenal assist rate this season (11th in the nation in APG ). None of the other guys you mentioned had an assist rate even close to that for any season in their careers. Assuming that we play only 8 more games this season, we are projecting out to 844 made field goals. Now, we did beat that projection in 2010-11 (853) but in most recent years we have not come close to that figure. Stats are stats.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/77/northwestern-wildcats
But as you say, those are projections with the additional games and we have not played them yet so he has already set the record despite a significantly lower number of games We have played only played 24 games so far and that year they played 34. And so far, we have a significantly lower number of FGs. What are we at so far? Around 625? and again, it is not like those teams were not known for a high number of assists.
 
But as you say, those are projections with the additional games and we have not played them yet so he has already set the record despite a significantly lower number of games We have played only played 24 games so far and that year they played 34. And so far, we have a significantly lower number of FGs. What are we at so far? Around 625? and again, it is not like those teams were not known for a high number of assists.

He broke the record because he has assisted on an incredible 159 of our 633 FGs because he is an absolutely phenomenal passer (TOO good, at times) the likes of which we have not seen before, at least in recent years...
 
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