MSU - Minny

[NJCat]

The loss @ MSU doesn't look so bad after the Spartans beat Minny by 18.......

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

Best team in BUT scores 17 first half points! Go figure!

 

[Windy City Cat Fan]

The loss @ MSU doesn't look so bad after the Spartans beat Minny by 18.......

How does that make the loss at home to minn look though?

 

[mikewebb68]

How does that make the loss at home to minn look though?

Minny's Kenpom is still 36, so not terrible. We are at 40, one behind Dayton at 39 and two ahead of Michigan State 42 (though I would expect MSU's to rise now that Miles Bridges is back)

 

[JournCat]

The Big Ten is going to be such a mess this year. Illinois just dominated Michigan in Champaign.

 

[Gladeskat]

Just win! Winning takes care of everything,

 

[backdoorpass]

The Big Ten is going to be such a mess this year. Illinois just dominated Michigan in Champaign.

It's crazy. Right now, it seems like a race to the middle. So far this week: Maryland up, Indiana down; MSU up, Minnesota down; Illinois up, Michigan down.

Here are current kenpom ratings for all B1G teams:

11 Wisconsin
14 Purdue
29 Indiana
36 Minnesota
40 Northwestern
42 Michigan State
47 Michigan
53 OSU
55 Maryland
62 Illinois
79 Iowa
84 Penn State
87 Nebraska
134 Rutgers

It's a must win just to hold ground tonight for the 'Cats!

 

[backdoorpass]

Here are current kenpom ratings for all B1G teams:

11 Wisconsin
14 Purdue
29 Indiana
36 Minnesota
40 Northwestern
42 Michigan State
47 Michigan
53 OSU
55 Maryland
62 Illinois
79 Iowa
84 Penn State
87 Nebraska
134 Rutgers

And to illustrate how different the RPI formula is, here are the current RPIs for all B1G teams (with difference from kenpom):

10 Minnesota (+16)
24 Michigan State (+23)
31 Purdue (-17)
32 Maryland (+23)
41 Illinois (+21)
47 Northwestern (-7)
48 Wisconsin (-37)
52 Nebraska (+35)
70 Penn State (+14)
85 OSU (-32)
88 Michigan (-41)
97 Indiana (-68)
124 Rutgers (+10)

Indiana really jumps out at you--#3 in the league per kenpom; #13 in the league per RPI! Northwestern are Rutgers are the only teams with reasonably comparable ratings in both indexes.

 

[NJCat]

How does that make the loss at home to minn look though?

I heard CCC's wife tweeted it was all the ref's fault......

[Fake News alert!]

 

[ricko654321]

And to illustrate how different the RPI formula is, here are the current RPIs for all B1G teams (with difference from kenpom):

10 Minnesota (+16)
24 Michigan State (+23)
31 Purdue (-17)
32 Maryland (+23)
41 Illinois (+21)
47 Northwestern (-7)
48 Wisconsin (-37)
52 Nebraska (+35)
70 Penn State (+14)
85 OSU (-32)
88 Michigan (-41)
97 Indiana (-68)
124 Rutgers (+10)

Indiana really jumps out at you--#3 in the league per kenpom; #13 in the league per RPI! Northwestern are Rutgers are the only teams with reasonably comparable ratings in both indexes.

"Race to the Middle" was a great way to describe it. Outside of Rutgers, that's exactly what we've got here.

It may be worth noting that the Sagarin numbers are actually quite similar to the Ken Pom ratings (Cats at 42 there). Which I suppose shouldn't be shocking. I think Sagarin is better for CFB and Ken Pom better at handling the relative wealth of data in CBB, but regardless they both have similar results.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm

And no need to rehash the RPI debate again, but I think most of us would agree that it's at least somewhat arbitrary and Ken Pom is much more accurate. I think the Committee has largely come around to that view too... while I believe they still have RPI and top 50 / 100 wins on their sheets, I suspect they are starting to look more at other metrics. Also it's worth noting that RPI will start converge a bit with the others over the course of the conference season as the level of competition (and WL % of opponents) comes up or down, relatively speaking, for those who were flattered by beating bad opponents that had decent records, or hurt by playing good opponents with bad records (it's more complicated than that, but that's a simplification of it).

 

[Windy City Cat Fan]

Now PSU beats Minnesota, which I would consider an upset and Michigan over Nebraska and Illinois up on Maryland at halftime.

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

Minnesota just lost again

 

[mikewebb68]

Nice that the only time Minny hasn't stunk up the joint on the road so far is vs. us. Yeech....