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Pitino Sacked

Note that NU and Chris Collins recruited Louisville's C/F Ray Spaulding hard. Now for those of you taking shots at CC not being able to recruit some four star players in the past two years are beginning to understand what NU and other college basketball teams have been up against in the recruitment of a number of highly ranked prospects. Yes, the onion is beginning to be peeled. Keep an eye on teams that have taken a huge jump in wins and advanced very far in the NCAA tournament or who have moved up high on the team recruiting ranking (See Southern Cal, Miami, South Carolina, Auburn). Anyone paying attention to Missouri's ascent or pay attention to Minny's increase in wins from 8 to 24 last season and begin to wonder if Ricky, Jr. ever got some tips from Ricky, Sr.? Just a wild thought.
 
College basketball got just a little bit cleaner today.

College basketball has been one of the worst offenders re. payoffs to players and their families for 50-60 years on. The main reason is that the monies involved in those transfers are "handled" with a multi-layered mechanism wherein the college program's AD, HC and his coaching staff are so "far removed" from the transfer activity, if it's ever brought to light, they are Teflon (read: nothing sticks to them). The years of direct contact/connection with boosters & benefactors to a particular college sports program, similar to the "good ol' boy" network that operated at SMU and where blatantly arrogant ego-maniacs had boasted publicly about it (as was documented in the 30-for-30 episode "Pony Excess") is over because of "lessons learned" and the threat of heavy fines and punishments (e.g. the so-called "death penalty") keep these activities cloaked in secrecy rivaling the cold war. I've no direct personal knowledge, but know enough insiders who have laughed at me when I had alluded recently to NU basketball finally getting the long-overdue upgrades in facilities and coaches salaries to compete with the "Big Dog" b-ball programs for recruits. I was told summarily that my perspective was nothing short of delusional; and that unless NU alumni and boosters formed a cartel where their money moves & influence peddling could be masked to near oblivion, like there currently exists for the "legendary college b-ball programs," the 'Cats would never compete, but constantly be on the outside looking in. Gave me great pause for reflection. The point to this whole sorted affair is that it took a premier government agency (FBI) to uncover the dirty laundry (a much better investigation organization with unlimited funding), simply because the NCAA is too weak and understaffed & under-financed to do the needful in this regard. I'm sure the college b-ball insider money rats are scurrying to get their azzes off this sinking ship before the fertilizer that's about to hit the ventilator gets any brown stuff on their lapels. I wonder...
 
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If this ends with the dirtier coaches getting fired and the NBA and NCAA adopting baseball rules (get drafted out of high school or stay 2-3 years in college), that will be a massive improvement to the game on many levels.

The NBA age limit forces kids to colleges and increases the shady dealings by the street agents.
 
College basketball has been one of the worst offenders re. payoffs to players and their families for 50-60 years on. The main reason is that the monies involved in those transfers are "handled" with a multi-layered mechanism wherein the college program's AD, HC and his coaching staff are so "far removed" from the transfer activity, if it's ever brought to light, they are Teflon (read: nothing sticks to them). The years of direct contact/connection with boosters & benefactors to a particular college sports program, similar to the "good ol' boy" network that operated at SMU and where blatantly arrogant ego-maniacs had boasted publicly about it (as was documented in the 30-for-30 episode "Pony Excess") is over because of "lessons learned" and the threat of heavy fines and punishments (e.g. the so-called "death penalty") keep these activities cloaked in secrecy rivaling the cold war. I've no direct personal knowledge, but know enough insiders who have laughed at me when I had alluded recently to NU basketball finally getting the long-overdue upgrades in facilities and coaches salaries to compete with the "Big Dog" b-ball programs for recruits. I was told summarily that my perspective was nothing short of delusional; and that unless NU alumni and boosters formed a cartel where their money moves & influence peddling could be masked to near oblivion, like there currently exists for the "legendary college b-ball programs," the 'Cats would never compete, but constantly be on the outside looking in. Gave me great pause for reflection. The point to this whole sorted affair is that it took a premier government agency (FBI) to uncover the dirty laundry (a much better investigation organization with unlimited funding), simply because the NCAA is too weak and understaffed & under-financed to do the needful in this regard. I'm sure the college b-ball insider money rats are scurrying to get their azzes off this sinking ship before the fertilizer that's about to hit the ventilator gets any brown stuff on their lapels. I wonder...
Then the question comes up about CCC long term. If this is the situation, does he ultimately want to be successful(get to sweet sixteen every year and often get to final four and sometimes higher) or does he want to keep it clean and have less "success"? From what you say, DUKE is in the system so he has seen that side and knows how it works. Or does NU eventually go that route? Not sure any of us want to see that. So does he stay, keep it clean and attain marginal success. Or does he reach for ultimate success, move on and get dirty or do we watch the transformation of NU to a dirty program?

For us, it would seem the best option would seem to be the middle, he stays (and the program stays clean) , continues to build a respectable program and we see moderate success. We get to and stay in upper half of conference get the NCAA bids, get to sweet 16 occasionally but don't really get above that. I can live with that.
 
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NFL has an even higher age limit.

How long until the guys making payments to basketball recruits start talking about football? Or a church funneling money to a family gets in trouble with the IRS?
 
Then the question comes up about CCC long term. If this is the situation, does he ultimately want to be successful(get to sweet sixteen every year and often get to final four and sometimes higher) or does he want to keep it clean and have less "success"? From what you say, DUKE is in the system so he has seen that side and knows how it works. Or does NU eventually go that route? Not sure any of us want to see that. So does he stay, keep it clean and attain marginal success. Or does he reach for ultimate success, move on and get dirty or do we watch the transformation of NU to a dirty program?

For us, it would seem the best option would seem to be the middle, he stays (and the program stays clean) , continues to build a respectable program and we see moderate success. We get to and stay in upper half of conference get the NCAA bids, get to sweet 16 occasionally but don't really get above that. I can live with that.
Think you can both win, big time and stay clean. Duke is a perfect example of that. getting into the NCAA Tournament regularly an winning should be the goal at NU.
 
How long until the guys making payments to basketball recruits start talking about football? Or a church funneling money to a family gets in trouble with the IRS?
While I'm not a big fan of David Kaplan he spoke about this on his radio show a couple of days ago. When he was an assistant coach at NIU, thinking in the 90's he told about a highly rated Chicago kid that they were recruiting. Got a call from a "middle man"/agent, that he should bring the LOI to a certain barber shop and the kid would be there and would sign. Just one more thing, also bring $5,000 in small bills. Kaplan told the guy that since he was making just over $4,000 per year, that was impossible. The kid ended signing with Cincinnati. Guess this kind of stuff has been going on for a long, long time. Also think that Underwood should be feeling some heat, as was heavily connected with Evans for years and has hired an "interesting" AAU coach and another assistant who has previously been under investigation.
 
Louisville also had a top-10 recruit decommit today.

A top-100 decommitted from Auburn.
 
While I'm not a big fan of David Kaplan he spoke about this on his radio show a couple of days ago. When he was an assistant coach at NIU, thinking in the 90's he told about a highly rated Chicago kid that they were recruiting. Got a call from a "middle man"/agent, that he should bring the LOI to a certain barber shop and the kid would be there and would sign. Just one more thing, also bring $5,000 in small bills. Kaplan told the guy that since he was making just over $4,000 per year, that was impossible. The kid ended signing with Cincinnati. Guess this kind of stuff has been going on for a long, long time. Also think that Underwood should be feeling some heat, as was heavily connected with Evans for years and has hired an "interesting" AAU coach and another assistant who has previously been under investigation.
Around the time Kap was at NIU, it seemed all the top CPS kids were going to Illinois and the next tier all went to Cincinnati. I find Kap's story entirely believable. It's too bad the only guy who went public with it was the even more slimy Bruce Pearl, then at Iowa.
 
From one of the linked articles, on an ESPN interview last year, Pitino said "There's no one in this business with more integrity than Rick Pitino,"

Kind of sounds like someone else we know. I wonder if this kind of declaration is a psychological giveaway?
 
NFL has an even higher age limit.

True, but a vanishingly few players would be NFL-ready straight out of high school. To be sure, that leads to a lot of football players attending college for the "wrong" reasons, but they're not just there to strut their stuff for the draft - there's a developmental process too.
 
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Just saw this on Twitter...
 
In hindsight, this is an interesting interview with Pitino. He didn't dance around the topic, and talked about everything except payoffs.

But he's right. If these charges are an attempt to straighten out college basketball, AAU coaches better be a part of some of these arrests.

 
In hindsight, this is an interesting interview with Pitino. He didn't dance around the topic, and talked about everything except payoffs.

But he's right. If these charges are an attempt to straighten out college basketball, AAU coaches better be a part of some of these arrests.

The AAU programs are cesspools. Not clear what the NCAA can do about them, but Universities putting pressure on the shoe companies to stop supporting them would be a start.
 
For us old-timers, all of this brings back memories of Sam Gilbert, the Southern California businessman who "bankrolled" the Wooden dynasty at UCLA for so many years. The distribution mechanisms may change, but the game never really does...
 
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True, but a vanishingly few players would be NFL-ready straight out of high school. To be sure, that leads to a lot of football players attending college for the "wrong" reasons, but they're not just there to strut their stuff for the draft - there's a developmental process too.
Agree with everything you just typed but another solution would be for the NFL to fund a minor league system like MLB does.
 
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Around the time Kap was at NIU, it seemed all the top CPS kids were going to Illinois and the next tier all went to Cincinnati. I find Kap's story entirely believable. It's too bad the only guy who went public with it was the even more slimy Bruce Pearl, then at Iowa.

LOL, in other words, the "source" for Illinois being dirty was a totally unreliable, proven cheater whose claim (that Deon Thomas was offered cash) was never proven??
 
True, but a vanishingly few players would be NFL-ready straight out of high school. To be sure, that leads to a lot of football players attending college for the "wrong" reasons, but they're not just there to strut their stuff for the draft - there's a developmental process too.
At least they need a few more classes than the one and done's do in BB.
 
The point to this whole sorted affair is that it took a premier government agency (FBI) to uncover the dirty laundry (a much better investigation organization with unlimited funding), simply because the NCAA is too weak and understaffed & under-financed to do the needful in this regard.

The FBI has the things the NCAA doesn't - namely, supeona power and the genuine threat of jail time. Chuck Person is gonna be much more concerned about 80 years in federal pen than a 10-year show cause.

And actually penalizing North Cheatolina for its phony classes.

The NCAA would LOVE to nail UNC.

Problem is, what NCAA bylaw have they broken? They have to be able to prove the AFAM was set up specifically for athletes only. And I'm not aware of any evidence that explicitly proves that.
 
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