I’m not following where you are taking this. Schools are providing opportunities and always have been. Equal opportunity doesn’t mean equal outcome. If the women generate most of the revenue they should keep most of the income.
Report - Michigan Offers 5 million to QB Bryce Underwood to leave LSU for Michigan next year
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I’m not following where you are taking this. Schools are providing opportunities and always have been. Equal opportunity doesn’t mean equal outcome. If the women generate most of the revenue they should keep most of the income.
Schools already have to provide equal scholarship opportunities because of Title IX. I'm telling you that's already the law of the land, whether you like it or not. As to whether Title IX applies to compensation paid directly by the schools to their students, that will surely have to be sorted out in the courts due to the inevitable lawsuits, but cattul provided a quote above that states that the government's position is that Title IX does apply to compensation, too. The details just have not been worked out.
I'm a hard-right conservative. Ask the other Rant Board posters. "Equality of outcomes" isn't my thing. I'm just calling it how I see it.
Reading all of the comments after my "are you happy" post, I've got to laugh. Please refrain from whining when Michigan can come up with $5 mil for one player, and NU can't come up with $5 mil for an entire team.
My point was, the field ain't level my friends, (never really was, but it was never tilted as badly as now - remember the $100 handshakes?). Perhaps it isn't ALL your fault, but you wholeheartedly supported it, and you got what you got. Perfect example of a plan with unintended consequences and lacking an exit strategy.
Since I never endorsed it, I feel entitled to be critical. It was promoted on the basis of being "fair" to the athlete (who I admit works his ass off for old alma mater, and only gets a fully paid tuition, room and board, and incidentals scholarship). And even better, it fully endorses capitalism in college sports, (oh wait not ALL college sports). If you liked it then, when nobody looked at any reasonable process to control it, you should like it now.
Hooray for Michigan. I hope they land the kid. Tough luck, LSU. Go feel good about yourselves, and shine up that participation trophy.
My point was, the field ain't level my friends, (never really was, but it was never tilted as badly as now - remember the $100 handshakes?). Perhaps it isn't ALL your fault, but you wholeheartedly supported it, and you got what you got. Perfect example of a plan with unintended consequences and lacking an exit strategy.
Since I never endorsed it, I feel entitled to be critical. It was promoted on the basis of being "fair" to the athlete (who I admit works his ass off for old alma mater, and only gets a fully paid tuition, room and board, and incidentals scholarship). And even better, it fully endorses capitalism in college sports, (oh wait not ALL college sports). If you liked it then, when nobody looked at any reasonable process to control it, you should like it now.
Hooray for Michigan. I hope they land the kid. Tough luck, LSU. Go feel good about yourselves, and shine up that participation trophy.
The arguments you’re making may or may not be valid, but they are irrelevant. This is purely a legal question of how title IX applies to these new revenue distributions. This is PROBABLY unsettled law that will be further litigated and may also be subject to changing policies as the dept of ed changed enforcements and interpretations. There are already plenty of other areas of significance where who is in charge of the Department has a substantial impact on the stated interpretation of the same statute.
I wonder if schools will start to allocate revenue to programs off of some kind of revenue funding formula. Ie, each program gets the percent of the overall revenue pie it generates. Football generates 80% and gets $16 million, basketball generates 15% and gets $3 million, women’s track and field generates >.1% and gets $60 and a BO gift card. Other schools may try to allocate based on direct involvements from TV contracts, set themselves up as nothing but a passthrough entity. Very interesting…
Only saying my position is that it will look similar to what you described in your second paragraph. If interpretation requires equal distance between genders, the schools will remove themselves from the process.
I am on the side that wanted it. Personally, I was pretty confident that the NCAA was toothless and either do nothing or **** it up. They choose to do nothing. That’s ok short term, because it is forcing all entities to come up with some guardrails. Chaos was pretty much guaranteed. There will be controls, whether they are effective or not is another question.
I agree that it has never been a level playing field for talent. If the big boys overpay for a player, it’s good for NU. We never were recruiting an Underwood type player, before, now, or in the future. There are only so many roster spots and so much money. IMO, the end result is the blue bloods still get pretty much all the top 250 ( no change) but because of the revenue stream the NU’s of the world in the B1G and SEC have a leg up on everyone else ( big change). We will get better talent.
People are too proud to admit what an unmitigated disaster it’s been in terms of fairness of play.
Huh? Fairness?
Were Oregon, Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Ohio State not the top teams before NIL?
All of those teams you mentioned had some significant down years before NIL. Now we’re at a point where those teams just steal players from their competitors simply by waving money in their face, and they’ll get to play the very next season. This Wild West atmosphere is ridiculous. But again, the people who claimed it would work won’t ever admit that it really isn’t.
I think you are applying logic based on professional leagues, where lets say the WNBA might distribute some of its tv revenue to its players and the NBA might distribute some of its tv revenue to its players. And those would be wildly different.
In college, the teams are part of a single entity - the university.
I have no idea what that means anymore. I don't think that exists.
Can you explain and keep it in the context of NIL (or Cappy will auto-delete)
Neither of the major party candidates falls into that category. I'll just say I voted for Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis in the primaries. I don't know what their positions are with regards to NIL.
Thanks for the response. It seems to be that the theoretical "conservative" position would be...
No regulations whatsoever regarding payment, NIL or any of it. Let the market determine value.
I think of myself as a hardline fiscal conservative, but define it very differently. (Regulate bad behavior, balanced budgets, ban crypto)
I'd describe the current mindset toward college athletics as "drunken sailor."
I'm fine with players receiving pay.
It's ridiculous that anyone wants to pay a high school student $5M before he's ever played a down in college, and I hope Northwestern never, ever does it.
I don't think it will be tooooo long before the adults with too much money to spend realize how foolish they look buying unproven high school children.
I think it's HILARIOUS that we've entered an era where some college players are staying the extra year because they can make more as a top college player than they can as a 5th round draft pick.
I think this is all 100% the fault of the NCAA resting on their misguided belief that they could call the shots without any intervention or derailment from state and local governments. And the NCAA is just colleges. So colleges are getting all the chaos they deserve right now, and yes that most certainly includes Northwestern.
It's ridiculous that anyone wants to pay a high school student $5M before he's ever played a down in college, and I hope Northwestern never, ever does it.
I don't think it will be tooooo long before the adults with too much money to spend realize how foolish they look buying unproven high school children.
I think it's HILARIOUS that we've entered an era where some college players are staying the extra year because they can make more as a top college player than they can as a 5th round draft pick.
I think this is all 100% the fault of the NCAA resting on their misguided belief that they could call the shots without any intervention or derailment from state and local governments. And the NCAA is just colleges. So colleges are getting all the chaos they deserve right now, and yes that most certainly includes Northwestern.
Title XI enforcement will likely be the impetus for the separation of college football from colleges and the formal establishment of the NFL-affiliated minor leagues (e.g., Detroit Lions-U-M, Steelers-Penn State). When it becomes clear the law would require TV money to flow to non-revenue sport female athletes, the contracts will get collapsed into the NFL packages, freeing all that money for football and it’s 90-player rosters. Basketball is maintained at college level given its smaller roster size that can be funded in balance with all other women’s sports, augmented by NIL.
NU football gets relegated to a reconstituted Big Ten with other programs that don’t make the big time.
NU football gets relegated to a reconstituted Big Ten with other programs that don’t make the big time.
Now somebody's thinking. Not saying you're right, but full credit for looking at possible outcomes and trying to read the tea leaves.
I'm not sure how (or why) NU would want to be the owner of a minor league football team. And it could become apparent that the NFL is simply using the universities instead of investing their own money, like MLB has always done.
I think somebody will TRY to set that up and potentially fight with the Dept of Ed and ultimately take that theory to court
What I project is the NFL, in effect, takes over the elite college programs and they become legally separate from the universities. Perhaps you have something, though, that the universities want to maintain some equity.
I didn’t make the connection of this coming out of the same lawsuit as the back pay antitrust lawsuit, that maybe gives some added juice to schools using this formula under the guise of it being revenue sharing to give the overwhelming share to football and basketball.
By way of comparison, the 2024 NFL salary cap is $255 million per team.
The NFL media rights deal is roughly $10 billion per year.
ESPN college playoff contract is $1.3 billion a year just for playoffs.
As the universities struggle to operationalize NIL football (due to Title IX and other complexities) the NFL will be compelled to scoop up all that media rights revenue for a relatively paltry cost of player compensation.
Hense, the NFL takes over 30-36 formerly college teams and pairs them with its pro franchises (including expansion teams in Mexico City, London, etc.) as de facto minor league squads.
I just read that (apparently) the football scholarship limit is going up from 85 to 105 in a year or two?
If true, the intent of that is rather obvious.
Baseball scholarships will triple. Roster max size to go to 34.
MAKE MONEY! KILL THE COMPETITION!
ESTABLISH CORPORATE CONTROL OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS!
If true, the intent of that is rather obvious.
Baseball scholarships will triple. Roster max size to go to 34.
MAKE MONEY! KILL THE COMPETITION!
ESTABLISH CORPORATE CONTROL OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS!
