Should L-State be entitled to use live mascot(s)?
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PETA members tend to annoy me. I have had run-ins with them in the past when I helped to build the zoo in Nashville. They say and do many hypocritical and bogus things. In this case, however, what is really gained to the game day experience by having a caged exotic animal in the stadium?
That tiger lives better than any of us. They built him a 3 million dollar habitat complete with his own waterfall. They live about twice as long as a Tiger in the wild. LSU even gets their tigers from rescue facilities.
The Iillini can use Jimmy John as a live mascot. PETA will be happy, and JJ will get all the attention he craves.
Wow lives in a controlled habitat all by himself and then sits in a tiny cage for the delight of half drunk LSU fans. What a life. In fact all universities should be banned from using live animals as props, Texas, Tennessee and Miss. St. Their bulldog had to be taken out f the stadium during our Gator Bowl game due to being overheated.
Oh man, my dog is either by himself or with a person who is sleeping 20 hours a day. He gets out of a house for 3 walks a day for about 35 minutes. I feel so bad.... no not really. Mike the Tiger is a pet. He's treated well. Peta needs to shut it.
We can have a long talk about why Bulldogs should've never been invented by doggie eugenics.
Kind of my point. What is really gained from spending this $3 million? The fans can barely see the animal. Why do it?
I'm not big PETA fan but it doesn't bother me that they are "rattling the Tiger's cage" to keep them on their toes. It also sends a message to all the side show private attractions that may not provide their charges with the amenities of Mike the VI th. OTOH if this is an abandoned animal the other option is to euthanize it. I bet Mike has less stress being regularly fed and protected than he would in the wild.
PETA is a little like the sometimes ridiculous malpractice awards people get because their Doctors made a mistake. Doctors are only human but the big awards push the industry to be it's best.
Animals aren't born with the unalienable right to liberty. If I didn't have a brain capable of a rational thought, Liberty doesn't matter so it's a good trade for Mike not for me
Yes, Willycat. Mike the Tiger is a pet to LSU's students and fans. Not a pet I would want, but from a moral perspective of whether Mike is treated humanely, he's treated as humanely as my dog... I'm cool with that.
Glide, it's probably a tradition that I wouldn't start, but it works for them. The 3 million was done through private donations from a grass roots campaign, a student organization collecting 10 bucks from people, sponsorships, and people buying $500 paintings of the Tiger. It wouldn't shock me if they actually ran a surplus. People love giving money to things involving animals. "Mike the Tiger needs a nice place to live" sure I'll give 10 bucks.
Now, if anyone wants has a grudge against LSU and wants to be a real ahole, start a campaign to change the name of the Tigers seeing as it was based off the "Tigers" being the nickname of Robert E Lee's Army of Northern Virginia... you know the Army who's battle flag is what people think the Confederate Flag is.
Glide, it's probably a tradition that I wouldn't start, but it works for them. The 3 million was done through private donations from a grass roots campaign, a student organization collecting 10 bucks from people, sponsorships, and people buying $500 paintings of the Tiger. It wouldn't shock me if they actually ran a surplus. People love giving money to things involving animals. "Mike the Tiger needs a nice place to live" sure I'll give 10 bucks.
Now, if anyone wants has a grudge against LSU and wants to be a real ahole, start a campaign to change the name of the Tigers seeing as it was based off the "Tigers" being the nickname of Robert E Lee's Army of Northern Virginia... you know the Army who's battle flag is what people think the Confederate Flag is.
I'm not so sure eating a diseased animal is a good idea. I mean I've probably done it, but at least I didn't know it at the time
Any science people wanna weigh in? An issues eat a tigers cancer cells?
Did I write "Liberty"? No. Apparently you don't have a brain capable of reading comprehension. Why aren't animals born with an unalienable right to freedom? Mankind takes their freedom away. Mankind sucks...taking away the freedom of an animal that is of no practical use to man.
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Thank you, Glades. That's exactly how I feel about caged animals.
I only wish you felt that strongly about not only their liberty, but in fact their lives, that mankind has taken from eagles, other raptors, and many birds so wantonly with completely unnecessary wind turbines.
I'm just bantering with shakes here to some degree. Zoos do serve an important purpose, but keeping of wildlife in cages by groups and people (other than large zoos) is, in many cases, unnecessary and inhumane.
When did I ever say I was for turbines chopping up birds? It needs to be addressed, just like other destructive human activities, e.g., roadkills via modern transportation conduits. Twenty-five panthers have been killed this year by vehicles on highways in south Florida. That's about 15-20% of the entire panther population in south Florida.
I don't know why there hasn't been more stink raised about wind turbines. They may need to be phased out or redesigned in the future. I'll leave those decisions, as well as hunting, fishing, and trapping regulations, to wildlife managers and conservation biologists. However, I'm not going to retreat back to using coal. It's not economically smart right now and it contributes to AGW. The science showing human activity, and namely burning fossil fuel, has caused the warming we've seen since 1880 has been settled for decades now. Even Judith Curry agrees with this, as she's proposed her own climate sensitivity estimates. Trump's recent speeches on energy policy, relaxing air quality and safety standards, and pulling out of the Paris accords are simply unacceptable and probably in violation of federal mandates. Everything he has said recently regarding environmental issues has been ridiculously ignorant, and now he's considering naming eco-pig Florida Governor Scott as his VP candidate. Scott and other republican's record on environmental issues in south Florida is beyond horrid. Liberals are to blame for allowing these eco-pigs to gain office and devastate south Florida ecosystems against the will of the people. I posted elsewhere on this. Hillary doesn't come clean either, as she's friendly with the Fanjuls.
Any further discussion along these lines would be best made on the Rant board.
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Freedom and liberty are synonymous. Get a thesaurus if YOU have the brain power to use one
Animals don't have the right to freedom because God gave man dominion over the animals. It's in the bible.
Reading the Bible in context, being given dominion or leadership over people or things is about responsibility not power. So, man having dominion over animals in the Biblical sense means that we have a responsibility for the appropriate care of the animals - not the right to do with them whatever we please. To avoid the nasty posts we are about to get from Fitz, please leave the Bible out of discussions like these.
Yes we have a duty to treat animals humanely. Still think it's ok to have a pet and Mike the tiger isn't treated badly. I'm not going to let my dog loose over my concern for his lack of freedom.
I'm not big PETA fan but it doesn't bother me that they are "rattling the Tiger's cage" to keep them on their toes. It also sends a message to all the side show private attractions that may not provide their charges with the amenities of Mike the VI th. OTOH if this is an abandoned animal the other option is to euthanize it. I bet Mike has less stress being regularly fed and protected than he would in the wild.
PETA is a little like the sometimes ridiculous malpractice awards people get because their Doctors made a mistake. Doctors are only human but the big awards push the industry to be it's best.
I was going to let this go... But I can't.
So I'm not supposed to talk about the bible because Fitz51 is going to say something ignorant? That seems a like the wrong reaction. Shouldn't we tell 51 that he shouldn't be insulting people's religions?
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Freedom and liberty are NOT synonymous! Freedom is to be free from something. Liberty is the freedom granted to you to do something. Liberty pertains to the rights that have been granted to the people by a governing body. Stated another way, to be free of government is freedom. To be free to own a gun and own property are lesser degrees of freedoms granted to you by a government that are collectively called liberty. Get a dictionary if YOU have the brain power to use one. Apparently not if you think a Thesaurus is the proper reference to use to look up a word's meaning and compare against another word's meaning.
Talk about ignorant! LOL!
The Bible is not an authoritative text on nature or anything for that matter beyond the Christian religion. Humans and society determine their relationships with other animals.
You can argue with the dictionary all you want. Liberty is listed under synonyms. I'm not arguing with people who are deliberately saying stupid things.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...0.0..0.0....0...1..64.serp..0.0.0.s0w_VrHmErQ
free·dom
ˈfrēdəm/
noun
noun: freedom
- the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
"we do have some freedom of choice"- absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
"he was a champion of Irish freedom"
synonyms: independence, self-government, self-determination, self-rule, home rule,sovereignty, nonalignment, autonomy;
democracy
"revolution was the only path to freedom"
antonyms: dependence - the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved.
"the shark thrashed its way to freedom"
synonyms: liberty, liberation, release, deliverance, delivery, discharge; More
antonyms: captivity - the state of being physically unrestricted and able to move easily.
"the shorts have a side split for freedom of movement" - the state of not being subject to or affected by (a particular undesirable thing).
noun: freedom from; plural noun: freedom froms
"government policies to achieve freedom from want"
synonyms: exemption, immunity, dispensation;
impunity
"freedom from local political accountability"
antonyms: liability - the power of self-determination attributed to the will; the quality of being independent of fate or necessity.
synonyms: right, entitlement, privilege, prerogative; More
antonyms: restriction - unrestricted use of something.
"the dog is happy having the freedom of the house when we are out" - archaic
familiarity or openness in speech or behavior.
plural noun: freedoms
- absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
Why? Fitz51 and I have freedom from religion and have the liberty to insult people's religions in the US, though perhaps not the liberty on this message board.
ROTFLMAO! Synonyms have similar meanings, but that does not mean they have equivalent meanings!
I'm enjoying seeing you make a fool of yourself saying stupid things here! Go Google the difference between freedom and liberty and then shut up. OK?
But you have the liberty in this country to continue saying stupid things if you'd like. Apparently, the lack of a good dictionary, an inquisitive mind, and not caring if you look stupid gives you the freedom to write stupid things.
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Yes, you shouldn't go to jail for doing it, but insulting someone's religion makes you a jackass. So if Fitz51 says things intending to insult Christians or Jewish people based on the bible, he would be the "bad guy" not me for bringing up the bible.
Yes, that's why I said they were synonyms. Here was my original quote "Freedom and liberty are synonymous."
Then you said "Freedom and liberty are NOT synonymous!"
Now, you're going to tell me being synonyms and being synonymous are different things and proceed to pretend like I'm the one being stupid. I know you're trying to get on my nerves, but try again with another subject. You've got an epic beat down on this one.
You should really try to argue with me when you're not trying to make stupid arguments. You're much better at that.
Butt hurt, are we?
Look, you're the one using the word, Liberty, IMPROPERLY twice in reference to a wild animal, then lamely arguing that they're synonyms, and then ridiculously claiming I should grab a thesaurus (if I have the "brain power" to use one) when a Thesaurus is not really relevant and proper here. You're the one repeatedly making stupid, incorrect statements, insulting people, and now making stupid arguments to defend yourself. And I'm enjoying it.
Mike, the tiger was stripped of his freedom and has been given scarce few liberties as a caged animal. And for what? To serve as a mascot for a fricking football team against his will? Just because we can? I don't mind Auburn having an eagle for a mascot because the eagle is a willing participant in a mutualistic relationship. A caged tiger is not a willing participant.
When we're arguing if two words are synonyms, I'd say a thesaurus ie "a book that lists words in groups of synonyms and related concepts." would be relevant. In fact, I'd say a thesaurus would be the deciding factor in this. Based off your arguments in this thread, I don't think you have the brain power for much.
You're arguing that liberty and freedom are synonyms but not synonymous. You lost this one, bro. No butt hurt on my end. I won, you lost.
But if you're so concerned with the freedom and or liberty of animals you should let your cats out and allow them to run off.
No. The Bible is a book about man's relationship with God. It is not a justification for conservative (or liberal) political ideology. Using it as a means to gain personal or political advantage is "using God's name in vain." Abusing it in this manner demeans it and invites others to demean our beliefs as well. This negatively affects our witness as well as that of everyone using the name "Christian." So it is less a matter of Fitz51 insulting our religion than it is us insulting our religion.
Who gives a F if they're synonyms??!!!! I'm arguing "Freedom" and "Liberty" do not have the same meaning. They don't! You point to the fact that they're synonyms, but that doesn't change the fact that the words have distinctly different meanings and that you are using the word, Liberty, improperly! If you think you've won this argument, that's great. Your lack of intellectual discernment in language usage allows you the freedom to be a verbal dimbulb. Congratulations! LOL!
My cats are 'outdoor' cats and have the liberty to run off anytime they want and be totally free. Frankly, Boots was such a moocher for treats that I thought he was going to leave me years ago. They stick around because they find the relationship with me to be beneficial for them, and now Boots follows me around like a baby duckling follows its mother.
Keep back tracking. It's cool. You can pretend like you're making sense, and I'm the dummy. Anyone who can read knows otherwise.
Interesting that you are both right after a fashion. Many if not most words have a denotation and a connotation. The denotation is the dictionary definition while the connotation is the context in which the word is normally used. By denotation, one of the definitions of liberty would match precisely with one of the definitions of freedom (both have multiple definitions). By connotation, they are usually used in different context and therefore are rarely used as synonymous.
"That tiger lives better than any of us."
"Animals aren't born with the unalienable right to liberty. If I didn't have a brain capable of a rational thought, Liberty doesn't matter so it's a good trade for Mike"
I'm not pretending. I think the idiocy is clearly there for all to see. It's pretty disgusting, too.
Granted by the government? That's not what the Declaration of Independence says.
And what was the Declaration of Independence?
It is, in essence, the first US (colonies at that time) government document declaring the colonies' FREEDOM from British rule, and spelling out the rights given ("endowed") to the people by a higher authority (God), which are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness. "To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".
Note the context of the usage of "FREE" and "LIBERTY" in the document, Stream, and the stated existence of a higher authority. Freedom and liberty are not equivalent terms and have distinct meanings, which is quite evident when one reads the Declaration of Independence. If you haven't read it before, here's a link...
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
Here's the Cliff Notes:
Drafted by Thomas Jefferson between June 11 and June 28, 1776, the Declaration of Independence is at once the nation's most cherished symbol of LIBERTY and Jefferson's most enduring monument. Here, in exalted and unforgettable phrases, Jefferson expressed the convictions in the minds and hearts of the American people. The political philosophy of the Declaration was not new; its ideals of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY had already been expressed by John Locke and the Continental philosophers. What Jefferson did was to summarize this philosophy in "self-evident truths" and set forth a list of grievances against the King in order to justify before the world the breaking of ties between the colonies and the mother country.
(US Government Archives, Charters of Freedom)
LOL! I wouldn't know. You tell me, Loserboy. After all, you think Mike, in his cage, lives better than you do.
