The announcers were just regurgitating what Fitz told them pregame
How about dropping the entrance requirements to the level of OSU or PSU or Illinois?
I mean we didn't have to do that before the last 2 years, so I don't think we have to do that now.
we’ve recruited in the middle of the B1G consistently over the last few years. It’s not a talent issue as all these kids had multiple other offers from very strong schools.
Right?!?! I'm sick of the talent excuse. The coaches lack talent.
At least 3/4 to 4/5 of our players would be on other Power 5 squads if they weren't here.
Are you really saying that every player on Miami of Ohio had at least one if not several P5 offers? If so, you’re nuts.
I checked their most recent recruiting class(current freshmen) and out of the 18 recruits 3 of them had a p5 offer. Not much need to look further than that.
This is completely wrong.
Listen dude, of course they will have more with the current transfer portal. Guys that never played at p5 schools will transfer to lesser programs to try and find a place to play. You’ve been doing this for many a year? That’s great but the transfer portal is new and you are saying that almost all of their players have had at least one and most multiple p5 offers for “many a year”. You are dead wrong.
The transfer portal era is new and yes this will likely mean that in the future they get guys from Power 5 programs.
Will you admit you're horribly wrong about the 2 things below?
I was not involved with the initial comment about 20 p5 offers. I questioned this comment by you....
I can't believe we must squabble over whether Miami Hydroxide is a recruiting powerhouse. It's like we accept losing 4 in a row to Duke and that THEY somehow have "better talent". We won the B1G West 2 of 3 years and now we suck and are gong to be 1-11. NOT OK!!
I'll admit I was wrong on that statement as it pertained to the whole team; I meant as it pertained to recruits but of course no current team is just made of past recruits (given transfers).
They also said JON was a good coach so hard to put much stock in anything they said
He was reacting to a post that indicated that between the two programs there were not 20. And actually Miami of Ohio had 7-8 transfers just last year out of P5 programs and several of their normal recruits had P5 offers.
Thanks. And man has landed on the moon. You might want to read the rest of the posts in the thread.
I am so glad that you have such excellent reading compression!!! (Typical of the usual NU posters) I used to love the well written and thoughtful posts here, but losing has created a monsterous invasion of non rational, angry, and frustrated fanatics.
Are you really that sensitive? I'm very sorry I implied that you might be "nuts". I shouldn't have said that. But, when I first read your post and you said that almost all of the roster at Miami had at least 1 P5 offer, it just struck me as something that was so wrong that I had to comment. Even though you were wrong you keep talking about non rational and angry people when it was simply an innocent post that was pointing out something that was wrong. Nothing more or less.
Please read hdhntr1's reply. We are talking the 2022 roster not 1965 when TE Jim O'Brien' FG beat Purdue 17-14, lol.
I mean, are you just trolling me at this point? I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN REFERRING TO YOUR CLAIM THAT "ALMOST ALL OF THE ROSTER AT MIAMI WOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE P5 OFFER". Their 2022 roster doesn't even come close to that claim. Let's just take their 2022 and 2021 recruiting classes that are on the roster right now. Including their 2022 class will help your percentage since it includes portal transfers. They have 49 players between those 2 classes. 32 of them did not have a P5 offer. That would mean about 34% received a P5 offer. If you consider that "almost all" then I guess we just don't agree on that definition.
Drop it, IYKYK. Of their current roster of scholarship players ( transfers and recruits) 60+ of 85 had at least 1 P5 offers. End it, I disagree and I have the evidence. Transfer portal makes one hell of a difference. We didn't even talk about SIU who brought in 30 new players this year. To answer the question "the two together don't have 20 Kids with P5 offers" has been easily proven to be false. I guess you're as stubborn as Fitz. lol!!!
Youth can definitely be a reason for poorer performance. The more seasoned starters are more physically mature and more important the have a better understanding of their assignments and where to go when things break down. Having multi year starters at key positions helps a lot and can be a key reason that coaches can suddenly have great years with a team that was not very good the year or two before. Would you rather have a Sr. Thorson, RCB, or Carr or them as Frosh? It isn't even close.
We have tended to be in the bottom third year after year. Generally between 11-14. Some of that is because of smaller classes but reality is that we generally have less talent than our BIG opponents. And we have tended to do better than expected with the overall talent level of the program. The real key is often the depth that we are short on
Again the statement that he was countering was that there were not 20 players on both rosters that had so much as a single P5 offer. That they have 7-8 transfers just this year from P5 programs (and they are on the roster) suggests the statement was false. There were plenty of other higher profile offers as well. And that was in one single class at one of the two schools. Am I suggesting that they had more talent than we do? Heck no. But I would suggest that the talent gap might not be as great as people think. Especially if they are and upper class loaded roster with plenty of playing time vs us being relatively inexperienced at key positions.
No one is suggesting that we do not have more talent than Miami of Ohio or SIU. Just that the talent gap might not be as big as people assume. And experience at key positions can overcome inexperienced talent
Can any of you read? I don’t give a shit about his comment regarding 20 players on both rosters. I wasn’t claiming that wasn’t the case. I was strictly saying he is wrong when he says almost all of Miami’s players have at least one P5 offer. . That is blatantly false. I gave him evidence that in their last 2 classes there are 17 out of 49 players that had a p5 offer which means 32 didn’t. Then he responds with some BS about 60 out of 85 on their roster having received a p5 offer. Then he bitches about people and their misinformation.
Funny, I went to that exact same site and in their 2019-2022 classes I count about 34 out of 94 with a P5 offer. Either one of us is really drunk or we don’t know what an offer means. Maybe we should hire a 3rd party consultant to come up with official numbers?
Dammit - if we had just beaten Miami OH in the first place, none of this would have happened!
