And the BIG is undefeated. Don't ever recall seeing that since the field went to 64/68. 8-0 I think. Pretty impressive for the conference. Hope a bunch can continue their march the next couple days
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So the first round is complete
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To some extent impressive, but all 8 teams were favored to win so really just none of the 8 got tripped up. The test is the next round.
In general, I don’t think a single-elimination tournament tells us all that much about leagues, so many things can go right or wrong and so much is about the matchups and who gets hot or runs cold.
Meanwhile, the mighty SEC is only 8-6
Well the B1G hasn’t won a Natty in a quarter of a century and neither conference has won a Natty in over a decade. Conferences have been the King of good not great.
If each expands enough, they are bound to win one eventually.
Yes, money invested in the programs makes a difference. Since the turn of the Century, the ACC and Big East have dominated. They have 16 of the 24 Natty’s. Of course, Duke, UConn, Villanova and NC have lead the charge and there isn’t a B1G program that comes close to them over this time period.
We have a major switch of power going on right before our eyes. The SEC was mainly just Kentucky and Florida and once in awhile Tennesee for years. The big was MSU and once in awhile Purdue, Illinois or Indiana. Now the rest of the conference has upped their game due to the investment of resources. It’s likely BOTH conferences get a Natty soon and the National power switches to the Big 2 conferences just like in football. There are rumblings of talks to merge the ACC and Big East after the next TV deal expires to make a super conference for basketball. Those calls will grow louder as the power shifts to the Big 2.
I believe the Big 12 has made some waves during that period as well with 3 wins as well as SEC with 3. But as much as BIG is maligned, they have been in the Championship game 1/3 of the games (8/24) during that period. Conspicuously absent of the major conferences during the period was the PAC with only two appearances in Championship game
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Maybe but there always seem to be upsets and in fact the 5-12 matchups that did not include BIG teams both went to the 12 teams. One thing that has happened is through the first round every seed 1-4 mad it through the first round. Don't remember that happening before either. And now the BIG is 10-0 with Mich beating A&M
Well, the Big Ten still has not lost a game in March Madness. Purdue and Michigan already in the Sweet Sixteen. Just shows how competitive the Big Ten is. On Wisconsin and UCLA.
Jinx.
B1G 2-2 yesterday. SEC 4-1.
If SEC wins all 4 of their games Today( favored in 2) they would have half the sweet 16 field. Not likely, but not impossible with the match ups either. B1G also has 4 teams going today (favored in 3). The 2 conferences will likely combine for 10 or so of the sweet 16.
I don’t get this narrative that B1G is doing great and the SEC is floundering. The lower seeded SEC teams that have lost were supposed to lose for the most part. Flip in Indiana, OSU or next tier B1G that didn’t make it and they too would likely have been bounced. To me, both conferences are doing what they were supposed to do.
The narrative I see is that the SEC was significantly over-represented and the B1G probably earned one of the seeds given to the SEC. I expected Wisconsin would struggle in Denver at altitude, so the UCLA game was the surprise to me. We'll see how today goes, tho.
as I type this the Big Ten is 10-2 against the spread and the SEC is 8-11.
Big East 5-4
Big 12 7-2-1
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Big East 5-4
Big 12 7-2-1
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Totally! But no way is any ref going to make that call in that moment. Maybe High Knees against us but otherwise probably not lol
Only one of them was really any kind of upset. (WISC 3/6 matchup) The others were Oregon was a 5/4 games IL was a 6/3 matchup and UCLA was a 7/2 matchup
Exactly, the B1G was seeded to have all 8 teams win in round 1, but only for 4 of them to make the sweet 16, which is what happened. I'm not really sure how Illinois was favored yesterday over Kentucky, but they were a volatile team all season - high potential but just as likely to have a crappy game. The SEC was seeded to have 9 teams win in round 1 and 6 in round 2 - they had 8 win round 1 and 7 win round 2. The Big 12 was seeded for 6 and 4, and got 6 and 4. The Big East is easily the biggest disappointment, no teams made it to the sweet 16 and their best teams got upset.
So the sweet 16 is the three top conferences and Duke. I'm not going to say that's boring, but I'm not not going to say it either.
The Big Ten had 8 teams in the tourney and half of them made it to the sweet 16. Of course all of them won in round 1. I've now watched the Queen winning bucket for Maryland about 10 times on the Athletic and do not believe it was traveling
The SEC has 7 of the final 16. They are killing it. I hate the SEC and their condescending fans as much as the next guy, but any conversation that they are underperforming is just false. Let’s hope we don’t have an all SEC final 4!
Well, maybe they are not really under performing, but they aren't really killing it. They are performing the way the Big Ten has been performing. Both conferences got half of their teams to the sweet 16
I can’t agree ole buddy. Has any conference ever got 7 teams in the sweet 16? We can agree their bottom half teams aren’t anything special, but even a 10th seeded Arkansas made the final 16. They are buying their way into prominence.
The complaint was that they did not deserve to have 14 teams in (sorry but 6-12 teams do not deserve to be in. Argument can be made for some 8-10 teams but not 6-12) and BIG deserved more than they got. Only big surprises in the tourney so far is a couple of 12s won in first round and Arkansas. Sort of disappointing.
And couple BIG games have been pretty close including WIS loss and Oregon's loss to Arizona which would have swung things, With those games going other way we would have been talking 7 and 6. (Other side is MD coming up big in last few seconds )
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Has any conference been given 14 bids? And seeding was often in their favor as well.
Unfortunately likely to be the new reality for now. We can pretend Houston is still in the American, Arizona is still in the Pac-12 and BYU is in the West Coast Conference?
Can't agree with you either. SEC got too many teams in, some of which were undeserving as noted by some of the posters who have responded to you.
Yeah, Oklahoma and Texas had no business being in, I would much rather see spots to go to smaller conference second place finishers or regular season conference winners that stumbled in their conference tournament. I didn’t look this up, so I could be wrong, but it didn’t seem like there were as many upsets in conference tourneys resulting in bid stealers. Just saying OSU and Indiana were putrid too and had no business being in. This isn’t going to stop without a rule requiring a minimum conference record for a bid and we all know that will never happen.
They had more business being in the tourney than Oklahoma and Texas for sure and perhaps even a couple of the 8-10 teams like Vanderbilt
And since I went to grad school at Arizona (Wildcats) and still hard to say Oregon and Big Ten, I was OK with the outcome of that game
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