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Starting QB: the fan base choice

Who is your choice for starting QB?

  • Zack Oliver

    Votes: 19 18.8%
  • Matt Alviti

    Votes: 6 5.9%
  • Clayton Thornson

    Votes: 70 69.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 5.9%

  • Total voters
    101
I can't think of a single McCall QB who was impressive in their Senior year but not earlier. The closest might be Kafka but then there was this. Who exactly are you referring to?
I don't think all of us were gaga over Trevor and yet he is now on track for some kind of spot on an NFL roster in spite of an injury laden SR season. Kafka as you mentioned. I was thinking of the BrewKaf experiment also, I guess. Persa did give us two years and honestly I don't remember with clarity CJ's progression, so perhaps you are right, I should have said we should remember that McCall has had a good track record developing QBs. ZO didn't appear ready last year but that doesn't mean things couldn't change.
 
ZO didn't appear ready last year but that doesn't mean things couldn't change.

ZO wasn't "ready" because he never got a chance to play. The Purdue game was pretty much over when he got in. Prior games he really only handed off. So the first half of Illinois was his first and only test as a starter, and he was terrible by his own admission. But he showed improvement in half number two. Playing a total of 1.5 games is hardly enough sample size to conclude he can't play QB in the Big 10.
 
ZO wasn't "ready" because he never got a chance to play. The Purdue game was pretty much over when he got in. Prior games he really only handed off. So the first half of Illinois was his first and only test as a starter, and he was terrible by his own admission. But he showed improvement in half number two. Playing a total of 1.5 games is hardly enough sample size to conclude he can't play QB in the Big 10.
So much depends on practice reps and no mater who the starting QB is, ZO has probably gotten more reps than he ever did before. We know he has a descent arm but are concerned because of the lack of mobility. I am sure that our coaching staff has a much better handle on things than we do no matter what we posters think. Their jobs are on the line. They will try to give us the best chance to win. THe opinion of him is based on no real reps going into a game without the top 3-4 receivers and a beat up OL.
 
I am sure that our coaching staff has a much better handle on things than we do no matter what we posters think. Their jobs are on the line. .

What evidence do you have of that? Three losing seasons out of the last 4 and there have been no staff changes other than adding Genyk.........
 
What evidence do you have of that? Three losing seasons out of the last 4 and there have been no staff changes other than adding Genyk.........
That they have a better handle and have seen a lot more than we have, of that I am sure. I would guess that another poor showing in certain areas like WR and OL would prompt some changes whether it be reassigning guys or actually getting rid of someone.
 
What evidence do you have of that? Three losing seasons out of the last 4 and there have been no staff changes other than adding Genyk.........
I think the only evidence that exist is that his staff has stepped up this offseason by doing exceptionally well in recruiting.
I dont think he has an awful staff but it seems to me he is carrying about 3 guys whose units simply have not performed. One, McCall, has performed prior but imo he had his head buried last year and we probably would have had better results drawing plays up in dirt. He didnt seem to comprehend just how bad our ol really was. TV announcers, especially against Iowa, were hammering him.
Hopefully, his last two year rut can be shaken off and he can bounce back cuz we have 3 qbs who havent separated themselves and will need a wise OC that correctly uses all the moving parts. If McCall understands, he will focus on running the ball and utilizing the short passing game.
 
Classic Chicago quarterback thinking. The player fans have seen play the least, or never at all, is always the answer.

Where, ever, has it been shown that Fitz shows loyalty to players by playing less talented upper classmen over better freshman/sophomores. I think this thought is derivative of the type of quarterback thinking where the backup is always the best player on the roster.

A position is underperforming with a junior/senior starting, there is a freshman/sophomore on the roster that nobody has ever seen play outside of a few practices or plays, but everybody just KNOWS is the better player, therefore the reason the junior/senior starting is only because Fitz is loyal to the upper classman.

Someone cited a large number of examples of freshman/sophomores who have beaten out juniors/seniors for starting jobs, so I won't rehash them here. But where is the opposite true, that it was proven a more talented player was held off the field to give playing time to the junior/senior?

I know people LOVE to rag on Jacob Schmidt as such an example, but lets look at the younger player everyone was clamoring for then. Arby Fields. Uh, in hindsight, I'd have been playing Schmidt over Fields too. Who else?

Hardly unique to Chicago. Wherever I've lived, the team savior is always the guy who hasn't played yet.
 
ZO wasn't "ready" because he never got a chance to play. The Purdue game was pretty much over when he got in. Prior games he really only handed off. So the first half of Illinois was his first and only test as a starter, and he was terrible by his own admission. But he showed improvement in half number two. Playing a total of 1.5 games is hardly enough sample size to conclude he can't play QB in the Big 10.
My feeling that he didn't appear ready is based on the many games where Trevor, who apparently, based on his current success, is a pretty damn good QB, couldn't get out of his own way due to obvious injury problems. Yet ZO was never called on. If a limping Trevor was the best option at QB then ZO was either unprepared or not good enough.
 
I can't think of a single McCall QB who was impressive in their Senior year but not earlier. The closest might be Kafka but then there was this. Who exactly are you referring to?
But we had CJ and he was the better QB. MK fit in when they needed him and they used what he was good at. When he was ready to be the starting QB he was clearly ready but that year CJ was the better QB.
 
But we had CJ and he was the better QB. MK fit in when they needed him and they used what he was good at. When he was ready to be the starting QB he was clearly ready but that year CJ was the better QB.
That's the one time I disagree with Fitz. I thought Kafka was better in 2008 and we should've been playing him. We keep pointing out the Indiana debacle for Kafka, but it was CJ that couldn't move that team the entire day. We did have 9 wins that year, so I'll take it.
 
But we had CJ and he was the better QB. MK fit in when they needed him and they used what he was good at. When he was ready to be the starting QB he was clearly ready but that year CJ was the better QB.

I get that, my point was that every McCall QB who was good their senior year also had good performances before that. ZO would actually be the first, if good, who didn't.
 
When Fitz stated that none of the QBs had separated himself from the others - figured might as well play Thorson, as he has the best combination of pass and run (not that I want the QB to play RB, but rather use his legs to set up the pass) and would set up the next 2 seasons (assuming no injury bug).

Was disappointed that Oliver couldn't separate himself from the other 2 - while not having much game experience, he has been in the program for 4 yrs and was the back-up to 1A/1B and then to Siemian for the past few yrs.

But maybe it was just coach-speak on Fitz's part and that Oliver does have a better grasp of the O (as seen in his performance at the scrimmage, not that one should base too much on that).

But at the same time, the fact that FItz didn't call Oliver's no. sooner last season when Siemian's ankle was clearly bothering him (such as in the WIU game) give me pause.

If Oliver ends up being the guy, then the O better have an O-line that can protect the QB better and receivers who can get open sooner than later (pat of the reason why Cardale Jones was so successful during dOSU's title run was b/c dOSU was dominant on the O-line and was surrounded by weapons).

So maybe it will be a sign from Fitz that he has more confidence in the O-line and receiver corps. if Oliver does end up winning the job.
 
But at the same time, the fact that FItz didn't call Oliver's no. sooner last season when Siemian's ankle was clearly bothering him (such as in the WIU game) give me pause.
This bothered me as well. Trevor may have been well enough to practice but the results show he wasn't well enough to play. I guess coaches were hoping against hope he would get better but in the mean time he wasn't and no one else got the reps they needed to give Trevor a rest or time to rehab. I'm sure Trevor kept saying he would be good to go but I would have liked to see him have a week off and the coaches or med staff didn't make that call.
 
I get that, my point was that every McCall QB who was good their senior year also had good performances before that. ZO would actually be the first, if good, who didn't.
He really did not have a chance. He was behind the two headed monster in TS and KC for two years and then last year he had one game with no WRs and no OL and very little time with 1st team. I am not saying he is the second coming, just that we really do not know about him as we really really have not seen him in a position to be able to judge. In fact his passing stats for last year were pretty similar to Kafka in 2008. (ZO 367 yds passing 2 TDs 3 INTs vs MK 330 yds passing and 2 TDs and 3 INTs) Kafka had one good performance that year and that was with his legs. Just saying at this point in their careers, they are about the same.
 
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He really did not have a chance. He was behind the two headed monster in TS and KC for two years and then last year he had one game with no WRs and no OL and very little time with 1st team. I am not saying he is the second coming, just that we really do not know about him as we really really have not seen him in a position to be able to judge. In fact his passing stats for last year were pretty similar to Kafka in 2008. (ZO 367 yds passing 2 TDs 3 INTs vs MK 33 yds passing and 2 TDs and 3 INTs) Kafka had one good performance that year and that was with his legs. Just saying at this point in their careers, they are about the same.

Completely agree with you. My commentary wasn't so much about ZO as it was about the others. He could very well be great for us.
 
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