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The All-Turk Pre Kenosha "Top 22" Players

Nonsense. There are subjective opinions that are clearly right and subjective opinions that are most definitely wrong.

For example, Walter Payton was a much better running back than William the Refrigerator Perry.

JJ's freshman year >> Sutton's freshman year
NVH >> Harris
Sutton ran behind 4 future NFL linemen
Trai Essex blocked for Sutton

Sorry, but the above four statements disqualify Turk from being a Voice of Reason.

The decision from the Glades All-Knowing Hall of Knowledge is final.
 
Nonsense. There are subjective opinions that are clearly right and subjective opinions that are most definitely wrong.

JJ's freshman year >> Sutton's freshman year
NVH >> Harris
Sutton ran behind 4 future NFL linemen
Trai Essex blocked for Sutton

Sorry, but the above four statements disqualify Turk from being a Voice of Reason.

Statements 3 and 4 are not subjective, they are factual. As with most factual statements, Turk got it wrong. But that is why we love him, he shoots from the hip and allows the Google Masters of the world like you to find the correct facts for him! His time is too valuable to spend it Googling!
 
[QUOTE="Gladeskat, post: 55587, member: 382
I think he's a slandering scumbag, a guy who will make up all sorts of lies to deliberately hurt people. He thinks it's funny, too.[/QUOTE]

I have never heard Turk speak, so I can't comment on his being a slandering scumbag. If it is stuff he writes, what would make him a libeling scumbag.

[Hint: Slander is Spoken, libel is written]
 
I didn't Google those facts. I figure everybody should know that Essex, Ndukwe, and Ulrich were seniors in 2004, and that Zach was a senior in 2005. I guess I have a mind like a steel trap. It's amazing considering how many brains cells I've killed in my lifetime.

I don't love Turk for his ignorance. I think he's a slandering scumbag, a guy who will make up all sorts of lies to deliberately hurt people. He thinks it's funny, too.
We are all ignorant in our own way, Glades. This is a sports bar talk show imo, I say things and I stand corrected on other things that I forget. You even said Sutton only ran behind one NFL player, Strief. You were incorrect as well, Netter was and still may be in the NFL. So, you said he ran behind 1 NFL player and I said he ran behind 4, but the real answer was 2.

BTW, Strief was the best, and I'm sure JJ would have loved to run behind him. Yes, it is subjective and you are wrong to claim it is fact that Sutton was a better freshman than JJ. You fail to rightly assess the context of my statement which compared Sutton's OL against Jackson's. Even the other OL Sutton ran behind, Thiry, and maybe Kennan, were much better than what JJ had to sift through. Toss in CJ as QB, and Sutton had a heckuva lot more resources to him. That said, Jackson touched the ball almost 300 times and only had 1 freakn fumble. How does that compare?

Glades, if someone says "Player X had a better season than Player Y", why can't you just disagree instead of making an ass out of yourself claiming objective fact over such subjective things?
Your argument is so ridiculous that you have to use "Fridge Perry vs Waltar Payton" to try to convince folks. Good Grief!

And, yes, I respect your opinion that you believe Harris is better than Van Hoose. I just made a personal observation and I think Van Hoose is better. The Big Ten Coaches agree with me yet you still claim it is an objective fact that Van Hoose is less than Harris. What is wrong with you lately?
 
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We are all ignorant in our own way, Glades. This is a sports bar talk show imo, I say things and I stand corrected on other things that I forget. You even said Sutton only ran behind one NFL player, Strief. You were incorrect as well, Netter was and still may be in the NFL. So, you said he ran behind 1 NFL player and I said he ran behind 4, but the real answer was 2.

BTW, Strief was the best, and I'm sure JJ would have loved to run behind him. Yes, it is subjective and you are wrong to claim it is fact that Sutton was a better freshman than JJ. You fail to rightly assess the context of my statement which compared Sutton's OL against Jackson's. Even the other OL Sutton ran behind, Thiry, and maybe Kennan, were much better than what JJ had to sift through. Toss in CJ as QB, and Sutton had a heckuva lot more resources to him. That said, Jackson touched the ball almost 300 times and only had 1 freakn fumble. How does that compare?

Glades, if someone says "Player X had a better season than Player Y", why can't you just disagree instead of making an ass out of yourself claiming objective fact over such subjective things?
Your argument is so ridiculous that you have to use "Fridge Perry vs Waltar Payton" to try to convince folks. Good Grief!

And, yes, I respect your opinion that you believe Harris is better than Van Hoose. I just made a personal observation and I think Van Hoose is better. The Big Ten Coaches agree with me yet you still claim it is an objective fact that Van Hoose is less than Harris. What is wrong with you lately?
Netter appeared in exactly 1 preseason game before getting the axe. Not exactly what I would call an NFL player. He is not in the NFL. He is a grad assistant at Michigan.

Trevor was a superior QB to Bacher. Since you're the one using the NFL as the criteria, which player got drafted? That was Trevor. He was better. But since we're talking about Tyrells freshman year which was 2005, we may want talk about Brett Basanez as the QB instead of CJ.

I totally agree with you that you treat this like an ESPN talk show and make absurd statements based on little in an attempt to draw emotion from the audience in a quest for ratings/attention based on shock value.
 
We are all ignorant in our own way, Glades. This is a sports bar talk show imo, I say things and I stand corrected on other things that I forget. You even said Sutton only ran behind one NFL player, Strief. You were incorrect as well, Netter was and still may be in the NFL. So, you said he ran behind 1 NFL player and I said he ran behind 4, but the real answer was 2.

BTW, Strief was the best, and I'm sure JJ would have loved to run behind him. Yes, it is subjective and you are wrong to claim it is fact that Sutton was a better freshman than JJ. You fail to rightly assess the context of my statement which compared Sutton's OL against Jackson's. Even the other OL Sutton ran behind, Thiry, and maybe Kennan, were much better than what JJ had to sift through. Toss in CJ as QB, and Sutton had a heckuva lot more resources to him. That said, Jackson touched the ball almost 300 times and only had 1 freakn fumble. How does that compare?

Glades, if someone says "Player X had a better season than Player Y", why can't you just disagree instead of making an ass out of yourself claiming objective fact over such subjective things?
Your argument is so ridiculous that you have to use "Fridge Perry vs Waltar Payton" to try to convince folks. Good Grief!

And, yes, I respect your opinion that you believe Harris is better than Van Hoose. I just made a personal observation and I think Van Hoose is better. The Big Ten Coaches agree with me yet you still claim it is an objective fact that Van Hoose is less than Harris. What is wrong with you lately?


Oh, I forgot Al Netter, a guy who never set foot in an NFL game (versus Ulrich, Ndukwe, Strief, and Essex who have), as being a legit NFL'er. My bad. While you're at it, throw in Ryan Keenan as well, since he also signed an NFL contract with two teams, though he never set foot in an actual game. Both Netter and Keenan were practice squaders. Why did you forget him? Is it because your recall sucks? Can't be that.

Sutton ran behind an OL consisting of Strief and 4 guys who had never played as starters before, including a RSFreshman. They weren't too bad of an OL, but they weren't a dominant OL by far. I still have visions of Michigan's giant nose tackle throwing around Belding like he was a child. Sutton gained a lot of his yards after contact and through his own creativity as a RB. JJ certainly did as well. I like JJ a LOT and think he will top all of Sutton's stats, and maybe even Anderson's as well, if he stays healthy and our OL improves. I'm just saying in their freshman year, Sutton > JJ and that is pretty clear statistically and how I remember their two seasons.

I didn't say Harris being a better cover corner than NVH is an objective fact. I said your subjective judgment is wrong. I like NVH a lot! He's a playmaker as we saw in the Notre Dame game, but he's not the better of the two players, IMO, as a cover corner.
 
Cripes! Ok, I'll stop locking the car doors and you can raid the beer cooler again.


LOL! I know one time we drank a shitload of Midvale's beers, but nobody ran out to the parking lot to raid his car or truck or whatever. That's total made-up BS! But that's the story that keeps making the rounds...though it is complete BS! What I will confess to is drinking a SHITLOAD of his beers. I didn't realize I was partying with beer-drinking light weights who wanted to have their cooler of beer last for a month.
 
gocats,

Give it up - you're acting like an arrogant know-it-all jerk!

He does "know it all", or at least a heck of a lot more than Turk. I also know more than Turk as evidenced by his poor recall of NU OL and who Sutton ran behind. So does MR95Cat and chicagocatfan24. Does that make all of us arrogant, know-it-all jerks? I'd prefer that label than being an ignorant, deliberate lie-spreading a-hole who tries to hurt people.

How was your fishing trip?
 
Oh, I forgot Al Netter, a guy who never set foot in an NFL game (versus Ulrich, Ndukwe, Strief, and Essex who have), as being a legit NFL'er. My bad. While you're at it, throw in Ryan Keenan as well, since he also signed an NFL contract with two teams, though he never set foot in an actual game. Both Netter and Keenan were practice squaders. Why did you forget him? Is it because your recall sucks? Can't be that.

Sutton ran behind an OL consisting of Strief and 4 guys who had never played as starters before, including a RSFreshman. They weren't too bad of an OL, but they weren't a dominant OL by far. I still have visions of Michigan's giant nose tackle throwing around Belding like he was a child. Sutton gained a lot of his yards after contact and through his own creativity as a RB. JJ certainly did as well. I like JJ a LOT and think he will top all of Sutton's stats, and maybe even Anderson's as well, if he stays healthy and our OL improves. I'm just saying in their freshman year, Sutton > JJ and that is pretty clear statistically and how I remember their two seasons.

I didn't say Harris being a better cover corner than NVH is an objective fact. I said your subjective judgment is wrong. I like NVH a lot! He's a playmaker as we saw in the Notre Dame game, but he's not the better of the two players, IMO, as a cover corner.
Good Grief, what are you going to do, write a book about how Sutton was a better RB than Jackson as a freshman? And you cherry pick your straw man as well. True, Sutton had a great freshman year with an All Big Ten first team QB on his offense and, no matter how you slice it, a much better OL than Jackson ran behind. Never mind that I Jackson touched the ball 300 times and only had one fumble. But, again, instead of taking it personal that you disagree with me and being a hater like you, I just admit that your opinion is just as valid as mine. Maybe Sutton was the better freshman back but I just happen to believe Jackson was better. And as far as NVH, if I'm wrong, then so are those who know him best, i.e., the Big Ten coaches who voted on him being pre season second team All Big Ten. What's wrong with you?
 
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Good Grief, what are you going to do, write a book about how Sutton was a better RB than Jackson as a freshman? And you cherry pick your straw man as well. True, Sutton had a great freshman year with an All Big Ten first team QB on his offense and, no matter how you slice it, a much better OL than Jackson ran behind. Never mind that I Jackson touched the ball 300 times and only had one fumble. But, again, instead of taking it personal that you disagree with me and being a hater like you, I just admit that your opinion is just as valid as mine. Maybe Sutton was the better freshman back but I just happen to believe Jackson was better. And as far as NVH, if I'm wrong, then so are those who know him best, i.e., the Big Ten coaches who voted on him being pre season second team All Big Ten. What's wrong with you?

So when do the 4* players appear? Should be even more fun than the 5*s!
 
LOL! I know one time we drank a shitload of Midvale's beers, but nobody ran out to the parking lot to raid his car or truck or whatever. That's total made-up BS! But that's the story that keeps making the rounds...though it is complete BS! What I will confess to is drinking a SHITLOAD of his beers. I didn't realize I was partying with beer-drinking light weights who wanted to have their cooler of beer last for a month.
Are you sure you were going to the right car? ;)
 
Here we go again...more deliberately hateful BS and lies from Turk to try to hurt me in some way. The BS and lies don't hurt because they're not true; what hurts is the intent.
 
All Turk 4 Stars

3. Dean Lowry: A big beast. Should be a very good year from him.
4. Dan Vitale: Maybe the best athlete on the team. Had a down year last year, as the team did, but I fully expect McCall to once again incorporate him mightedly in the gameplan
5. Matt Harris: Great cover CB and some have argued even better than NVH.

These 5 players will make up the 5 pillars that will hold up this team and season.

3 stars to follow.....
 
All Turk 4 Stars

3. Dean Lowry: A big beast. Should be a very good year from him.
4. Dan Vitale: Maybe the best athlete on the team. Had a down year last year, as the team did, but I fully expect McCall to once again incorporate him mightedly in the gameplan
5. Matt Harris: Great cover CB and some have argued even better than NVH.

These 5 players will make up the 5 pillars that will hold up this team and season.

3 stars to follow.....

Can't disagree with these three. IF, and it's a big IF, Christian Jones is healthy, he is also a 4*. Will have to wait until Stanford to see how effective he is.
 
He does "know it all", or at least a heck of a lot more than Turk. I also know more than Turk as evidenced by his poor recall of NU OL and who Sutton ran behind. So does MR95Cat and chicagocatfan24. Does that make all of us arrogant, know-it-all jerks? I'd prefer that label than being an ignorant, deliberate lie-spreading a-hole who tries to hurt people.

How was your fishing trip?
Glades,
gocats was acting like like an arrogant, know-it-all jerk. Read the post in question. In my memory, MRCat has never acted in such a fashion, and I don't have enough info on chicagocatfan24 to be able to comment. You, on the other hand . . .
Fishing trip was fabulous - literally hundreds of Lake Trout and Northern Pike. Biggest Lake Trout was 31 lbs., and biggest Northern was 23 lbs.
 
So did you release the fish or keep a few to be shipped home? Frankly, the lake trout and pike I've eaten lately from Colorado were all average tasting at best. I'll eat cutthroat or Rainbows anytime over pike or lakers. Glad you had a great fishing trip.

Don't mind me regarding the boards. I've just got something stuck in my craw today, that's all.
 
So did you release the fish or keep a few to be shipped home? Frankly, the lake trout and pike I've eaten lately from Colorado were all average tasting at best. I'll eat cutthroat or Rainbows anytime over pike or lakers. Glad you had a great fishing trip.

Don't mind me regarding the boards. I've just got something stuck in my craw today, that's all.
All catch and release except the fish we ate at shore lunch. Of course we kept only smaller fish, 5-7 lbs., because we wanted those big breeders back in the water. Ice didn't get out of the lake until June 5, so the water was very cold when we arrived 2 weeks later, and the fish were delicious.
 
Does anyone here remember when Turk would rag on Sutton and write negative posts directed at him to try to get him to play better? It shocked and upset a lot of folks on the boards back then. You see, Turk didn't like Tyrell after he found out through the grapevine that Tyrell was hanging with the free-thinking edgy guys with corn-rows (one of whom had fairly long career in the NFL as an UDFA, so you know he was a bad influence) and not the "good guys" (wink, wink) that Turk liked. That pretty much explains why he thinks JJ had a better freshman year even though Sutton significantly outplayed JJ in every statistical category, but then stats are for losers. Tyrell played on a 7-4 (5-3) team while JJ was on a 5-7 (3-5) team.

True story!...Turk was concerned once that homosexuality was running rampant through the team back around then. Why? Because he'd seen some photos of players grabbing each others tit and other playful clowning around.
 
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Does anyone here remember when Turk would rag on Sutton and write negative posts directed at him to try to get him to play better? It shocked and upset a lot of folks on the boards back then. You see, Turk didn't like Tyrell after he found out through the grapevine that Tyrell was hanging with the free-thinking edgy guys with corn rows (one who had long career in the NFL) and not the "good guys" (wink, wink) that Turk liked. That pretty much explains why he thinks JJ had a better freshman year even though Sutton significantly outplayed JJ in every statistical category, but then stats are for losers. Tyrell played on a 7-4 (5-3) team while JJ was on a 5-7 (3-5) team.

True story!...Turk was concerned once that homosexuality was running rampant through the team back around then. Why? Because he'd seen some photos of players grabbing each others tit and other playful clowning around.
lol.
So you think Sutton was a better Freshman? Fine. And you think I'm wrong with saying Jackson had a better freshman year, in context? I'm fine with you saying I'm wrong.

At any rate, what's wrong with you lately? Why the hate?
 
lol.
So you think Sutton was a better Freshman? Fine. And you think I'm wrong with saying Jackson had a better freshman year, in context? I'm fine with you saying I'm wrong.

At any rate, what's wrong with you lately? Why the hate?

Because you're a meanie!
 
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