Navy put.on an offensive clinic on how to run an offense with a strong, mobile QB. Why can't we run something similar with Lausch? Hi
Think Braun and Lujan were watching?
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Navy's O certainly looked more creative and modern day compared to what we showed. Lots of motion, deception trickery. It's what I thought Lujan was supposed to be bringing us
The crazy thing about that game was that neither team played even once option which had been the trademark of the Service Academies for decades.
"Motion, deception and trickery?" Well, Lujan's move to be Cats OC deceived and tricked a lot of people into believing he was ready for the job. At least he is "developing" as a Big 10 OC, so we have that going for us.
Hard to do any of the above if your OL can’t block anybody for more than a second or two. You got to be able to do the basics first. Walk before you can run.
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That’s on Fitz and Bajakian (or maybe it was the tail end of McCall) if you’re talking about missing on him as a HS recruit.
When at the bottom of the pecking order for recruits it behooves you to examine all methods of offense. There are alot more veer and triple option qbs available to us than 5* drop back passers. Army is 11-2 and Navy 9-3. Our job is to win games, not develope NFL players. Get ready for gcg to make a big protest statement, but what we are doing right now it isn't working! See Vanderbilt!!!
You think it’s hard to recruit now? Wait until you’re running the triple option in the B1G
There is a great sales pitch to players. “We win games, but if you want to develop into a NFL player try Iowa or Minnesota ”
Didn't take long! Pros and cons could be debated for ever. Academies pin you down and make you play assignment football on D. Use smart kids to finesse you. Since we recruit "smart" kids with lesser athletic ability it could well make sense. If you win they will come.
Very aware. The academies basically recruit and roster manage by attrition, without the same roster limitations as other programs. Allows them to recruit “in bulk” and run a lot of practice reps, which is necessary to consistently execute an option offense.
There are plenty of reasons nobody but Paul Johnson has tried to run the option outside of the academies.
Neither team ran the triple option. Navy looked like they ran a modernized version of Tubby Raymond’s winged tee.
I could envision a team with a Lamar Jackson type QB /tailback running a modified single wing with the blocking back becoming the slot option
I could envision a team with a Lamar Jackson type QB /tailback running a modified single wing with the blocking back becoming the slot option
In fairness to all parties, you have to assume Navy was prepping for this game all season. Obviously, it paid off, but unfair to compare anything we're doing (or anyone is doing) to how we saw Navy execute on Saturday.
Sidebar, on Lujan/Lausch...and this is a serious question...did anyone else get the impression that Lausch was trained/coached all season to resist his urge to run first and get more comfortable passing? I mean...I get it - for a kid who always wants to scramble, you want to get him comfortable in the pocket to have an extra second or two to find his receiver...but there were easily 15-20 times this season where Lausch had a first down in front of him and he literally seemed to resist his natural instinct to go for it.
Sidebar, on Lujan/Lausch...and this is a serious question...did anyone else get the impression that Lausch was trained/coached all season to resist his urge to run first and get more comfortable passing? I mean...I get it - for a kid who always wants to scramble, you want to get him comfortable in the pocket to have an extra second or two to find his receiver...but there were easily 15-20 times this season where Lausch had a first down in front of him and he literally seemed to resist his natural instinct to go for it.
Yes I think that may have even been alluded to by coaches. A few games particularly Iowa where it was inexplicable why he ran like zero times in the second half.
Yes. Felt like he had the “governor” on in a lot of games, which I didn’t understand at all.
Easy to understand when you begin to accept that he doesn't have the processing speed for the QB position
By far the best analysis you've given this year. Paul Johnson was very successful and competitive at GT! Allows the use of smaller, more mobile lineman and puts the fear of God into opponent defensive lineman who don't want to get cut blocked nor play assignment footbal.
No I didn't. Others have killed it running veer offenses. Curci, German, Pepper Rodgers. Bear Bryant, and many others. The academies have their own prep schools and a large supply of smart kids, but those appointments are not unlimited. They don't and can't run through hundreds of kids
Curci last coached in 1981.
Not sure who German is, guessing you mean Bill Yeoman, who last coached in 1986.
Pepper Rodgers last coached in 1979.
Bear Bryant last coached in 1982.
See a pattern?
I'm no historian, but didn't those guys coach quite a long time ago? It's just not a style that is enjoyable to watch anymore, even when executed well. Navy played an awesome game Saturday and their quarterback had a great game. But he finished with something like 2X more rushing yards than passing yards. That kind of game doesn't interest me nor a lot of modern day fans.
This discussion comes up every year after the Army/Navy game.
Did they win? Darn right they did! Did they score? Yes; multiple times. Now you're demanding we win but it has to be done in a manner that is esthetically pleasing to your concept of modern day football and your preferences? Good god man! If OU lined up in Wishbone and rushed for 500 yards per game on their way to a Natty Sooner fans would ecstatic with no passing yardage. Book it!!! Jesus.
The point is more that there have been a whole boatload of changes since a non-Academy consistently won playing the scheme you’re proposing.
Though I realize we're arguing hypotheticals here, I contest that NU would not win consistently with this style in the BIG. BIG coaches are pretty good at preparing. It would limit our ability to get high level recruits. And god forbid you are trailing in the second half because this style is not built for comebacks. The counterargument, of course, is that we aren't winning consistently now and we're not getting high level recruits now, but I feel like going to a gimmicky offense like that would be throwing up the white flag.
Anyway... it's a hypothetical that was fun to discuss for a little while, but has probably run its course. You're welcome to the last word.
Problem is that you can not recruit the type of players for that offense. You must use an offense that fits the type of players you can recruit.
I would stop watching Northwestern football if they ever went that route. I wouldn’t be the only one either.
Critics on here are absolutely amazing. Bill Yeoman, Fran Curci and the others I mentioned won with a different type of veer. In case you don't know, besides Army and Navy, the following modern college programs (and many others) are running forms of the veer: Ole Miss, Tennessee, TCU, TX State, USF, and Vanderbilt. KMP.
They would gladly take their wins without you. Definitely a lot better than what’s going on right now.
Let me say I have no idea whether this will work for NU but my perception of option offenses is they are led by mobile, flexible and quick offensive lineman. My historical perception of NU OL is completely the opposite. Good in pass blocking and occasionally good in run blocking but basically limited athletically big guys. I have to say a Paul Johnson offense when on its A-game was a thing of beauty and way underrated by football fans.
Are we really talking about running the triple option in the big ten? The same conference with lateral quickness from LBs, size and agility from DLs, and physical DBs?
Cmon.
Cmon.
It is the modern veer, from the shotgun and with multiple spread formations. It's not Wishbone triple option. It utilizes qb reads and encapsulates traps, counters, and zone blocking as well. Passing game is intregal to success. See Tennessee and Ole Miss. Or Navy and Vandy. Exploit your strengths and your opponent weaknesses.
Watch Georgia Tech VS Miami and Georgia. The running game with a running QB. We have not had a true deep threat receiver in recent history. Without at least one your modern offense will not be successful. To run the ball you need linemen that can blow people off the line , not just pass blockers. You can not recruit with the big boys so you must go after a different type of athlete.
