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Turk's Game Analysis and Individual Player Grades

Turk

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Mr All Turk: AWalk [barely beats out Drew Smith]
All Turk Awards: AWalk, Smith, Lowry, Henry, Godwin, Harris, Lancaster, Niswander, Mertz, North, Frazier,Jackson, Long, Vault.

Head Coach: Fitz: Grade B+
Another 4th quarter winning drive. I liked him taking Thorson out of the game as well and overall he got his team focused and prepared. I realize it isn't pretty and quite boring but he is doing a very good job coaching, trying to manage a very difficult QB situation. 3 Turnovers and we still won by 7....that's pretty damn good.

DC: Hankwitz: Grade B+
I have no idea why some of the reports said that Purdue moved the ball good against us. They had 3 explosion plays, like big explosion plays, all in 2 drives. First drive of game[play of first drive] and first drive of second half. That said, we shut down the run as Purdue could barely run the ball. I was very impressed with our defense in the context of our offense putting our defense in terrible position with 3 TO's and plenty of 3 and outs. But our defense responded by preventing any points after each TO. Well done.
Came in with a vanilla defensive plan with little to no pressure on the QB. Nice adjustments from Doc by bringing pressure in the second half. Other than a few predictable blitzes that we got burned on RB screens, our defense pretty much locked Purdue down. I would have given this defense a C+/B-, but over the last 1.5 quarters they forced Purdue into 3 and outs. I think we closed the game with like 5 three and outs in a row. Nothing else, just 3 and outs. Now that's a helluva way to close out this game. Awesome!

OC: McCall: Grade B
He is managing with a QB who simply has little to no confidence. So much so that Purdue had 11 guys in the box repeatedly BEGGING us to throw the ball. Nobody has confidence in Thorson and with plenty reason. That said, McCall wiggled enough trick plays to keep Purdue honest, and then focused almost entirely on the run. I think that was a good move. Although he may not have that option next week, it really paid off for our team over the last quarter as our OL took over. Utilizing Long/Vault more was also a plus, and Long showed once again that he is the second coming of Jason "If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be" Wright. It wasn't pretty but McCall isn't responsible for the lack of execution, and he I felt he had a good pulse for the game.

OL: Grade B
The OL gave Thorson plenty of time on passing downs but Thorson continuously had happy feet and booted out of the pocket rolling out exclusively to his right into trouble instead of stepping up in the pocket. The OL also had some decent run blocking. I give these guys a lot of credit because we had two solid starters out [mogus, Park]. I believe this was North's best game. No low snaps and two really nice blocks that I saw. Mertz is proving solid. Olson needs serious work and lost his battle.

RB: Grade B
The fumble by Jackson could have cost us bigtime. That said, Him and Long pulled us to victory.

WR: Grade Incomplete
Really a nonexistent force today. No fault of their own, just poor QB play. Nice catch and jump by McHugh, and AC is our 3rd down deliverer. Didn't check the stats but I wonder if our wide outs had more than 6 receptions??? Again, poor QB play.

QB: Grade: D+
Thorson. Doesn't get it and is NOT comfortable in the pocket or even throwing the ball. His legs are useful though and proved once again a running threat. Consistently had happy feet when it appeared that he only have to step up in the pocket. He has strong tendencies to bail out and run to his right. Bummer game. He looked decent against Nebraska but looked very poor against PSU and again today. He really has to trust his OL more.

DL: Grade B+
Really plugged up the run all day. Virtually no QB pressure as Purdue had a big OL and our DL wasn't quick enough to get to the QB. Doc sent in the backers to mix things up and that bailed us out. Really disappointed in Ifeadi. Is pretty much irrelevant now. Needs to get stronger and bigger to have a chance. Lowry was a beast. Gibson had a decent game as well.

LB: Grade A
AWalk and Smith played awesome. Smith had sure sacks when it counted and a really nice hit to stop another drive. Hall had better games.

DB: Grade B-
Got absolutely burned a few times but good on run support and otherwise decent on pass plays. Nice INT by Henry.

Special Teams: Grade B+
Punts were awesome. Kickoffs were what Fitz ordered. Kickoff returns were awesome. Punt return could have been better as Shuler I think should have let one bounce instead of fielding it at the 8. It was debateable. FG unit/Xtra point: not pretty. Low snaps again.
 
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I'd agree Turk, although I just listened it sounded like Thorson was awful today. Like you I fully stand behind Fitz pulling Thorson and to all those who listen to Fitz say he never has had any doubts about leaving 18 in the game, that's garbage. He's thought about it plenty. I still would have pulled him in the Duke and Ball State games. While he was good in the 3rd quarter against BSU he was putrid in the first half. I still believe Long needs to get more carries and frankly I don't think Vault needs any other than a fly sweep or reverse. I think especially when Justin struggles Long needs way more touches. He is a very good power runner. One last thing, we need to get Roberts more involved he had some nice plays against PSU and is lightning in a bottle.
 
OL really stepped up today....missed Mogus, Park and Mertz for most of game. Kudos to Cushing for have backups ready to play. Mahoney jumped in when Mertz went down.
 
OL really stepped up today....missed Mogus, Park and Mertz for most of game. Kudos to Cushing for have backups ready to play. Mahoney jumped in when Mertz went down.
I thought Mertz only missed one play? I know when he got hurt and came off the field, he came back in a play later. Same with Henry. I originally thought that Henry got injured 'to slow down Purdue's mo" because he appeared to get injured but then jogged back on the field a play later. But then Henry was having his right shoulder worked on, on the side lines, during our offensive series. By worked on, I mean the trainer was rubbing his right shoulder area under the pads.

At any rate, with DiPietro, Park, Mogus all out for the game, it appeared that our backups offered similar play. Cushing should get credit for them being prepared as well. I didn't notice any glaring blown assignments as the communication and blitz pickups seemed to flow seamlessly. I was pleasantly surprised.

Not sure what's wrong with Park but he was walking around on the sidelines as if he is close to coming back. No crutches or anything. I felt that Park had made the biggest strides over the last year and has actually played better at Center than at guard and has been solid lately. By solid I don't mean overpowering but he's proving a reliable OL in our offense.
 
I'd agree Turk, although I just listened it sounded like Thorson was awful today. Like you I fully stand behind Fitz pulling Thorson and to all those who listen to Fitz say he never has had any doubts about leaving 18 in the game, that's garbage. He's thought about it plenty. I still would have pulled him in the Duke and Ball State games. While he was good in the 3rd quarter against BSU he was putrid in the first half. I still believe Long needs to get more carries and frankly I don't think Vault needs any other than a fly sweep or reverse. I think especially when Justin struggles Long needs way more touches. He is a very good power runner. One last thing, we need to get Roberts more involved he had some nice plays against PSU and is lightning in a bottle.
I agree that Long needs all the non Jackson touches, unless there is some special play. I also believe Long has the softest hands on the team and can be a real load on a middle RB screen. We have run some RB screens at seemingly opportune times but we are having a hard time selling it and the RB screens haven't been productive against aggressive D's. I still think McCall needs to move the pocket on occasion, especially with Thorson's legs. If you watch the PSU game, you can see how Franklin moved the pocket for Hack on the first successful drive PSU had last week. Almost exclusively, he moved the pocket on that drive because our DE's were having fun with Hack directly 7 steps behind the center. Not saying we have to boot Thorson or move the pocket far over, but at least move the pocket so the kid isn't just sitting back there like a clay pigeon. Thus, there are some things we can still tweak to help him out.

Purdue had the right game plan putting 11 guys up on our tendencies to run the ball, banking that Thorson can't beat us. The result was only 18 yards passing in the first half. Sometimes, there was NO SAFETY back there but we still didn't take the bait because we were very unsure of Thorson.
 
MNU has a poor history as a big favorite. Just glad we won. Hance at LT has been a huge plus and getting Mertz and Robbins each a 6th year is a big positive for next year. Thorson is a huge talent and will be excellent, but still not ready to carry the team. Our D and Vault KO returns bailed us out multiple times. LB is now very thin - we really need Hall to develop. Last year NU was better than the record, this year probably not as good. Still 9 or 10 wins is real progress and recruiting is going ok. Lots of Hope.
 
Turk, explain to me how a defense can put 11 guys in the box without leaving wide receivers wide open please
 
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I thought Mertz only missed one play? I know when he got hurt and came off the field, he came back in a play later. Same with Henry. I originally thought that Henry got injured 'to slow down Purdue's mo" because he appeared to get injured but then jogged back on the field a play later. But then Henry was having his right shoulder worked on, on the side lines, during our offensive series. By worked on, I mean the trainer was rubbing his right shoulder area under the pads.

At any rate, with DiPietro, Park, Mogus all out for the game, it appeared that our backups offered similar play. Cushing should get credit for them being prepared as well. I didn't notice any glaring blown assignments as the communication and blitz pickups seemed to flow seamlessly. I was pleasantly surprised.

Not sure what's wrong with Park but he was walking around on the sidelines as if he is close to coming back. No crutches or anything. I felt that Park had made the biggest strides over the last year and has actually played better at Center than at guard and has been solid lately. By solid I don't mean overpowering but he's proving a reliable OL in our offense.
don't know how many plays Mertz missed but later in the game they showed him getting more attention on his neck.
 
OL really stepped up today....missed Mogus, Park and Mertz for most of game. Kudos to Cushing for have backups ready to play. Mahoney jumped in when Mertz went down.

Really. Do you also want to congratulate Cushing for not robbing a bank today or for not being in ISIS? He's SUPPOSED TO have them ready to play. That's his JOB. SHEESH...
 
Turk, explain to me how a defense can put 11 guys in the box without leaving wide receivers wide open please
kindly re-read what I said. I didn't say 11 guys in the box, I said 11 guys up close.
Turk, explain to me how a defense can put 11 guys in the box without leaving wide receivers wide open please
Kindly review what I said. I didn't say 11 guys were 'in the box'. Those were your words. What I said was "Purdue was putting 11 guys up on our tendencies to run the ball baiting Thorson to throw". That was true. It happened numerous times. One example that was glaring was on that 4th and 1 call. I think we were on about the 30 yard line but going into the wind. 3rd quarter.
We had an empty backfield and Purdue still didn't put a safety back there, all 11 guys were within 4 or 5 yards of the ball as the DB's were playing up close to the LOS as well with tight coverage. The only safety was about 5 yards off the LOS. We had man to man across with no help, but Thorson made a terrible read and threw the ball right into coverage with a 3 yard out, even though there were 11 guys within 5 yards. Amazingly, and thankfully, it wasn't a pick 6 as the Purdue guy bobbled the ball in the PBU. This happened ALOT and my guess is that this is why Thorson was pulled. Yes, eventually he threw the pick but he was throwing right where the coverage was all day long as if he predetermined where he was going with the ball prior to the ball snapping or even looking at the defense.
 
Vitale wasn't missing today...the passes were missing i.e.too long, too short, too far, etc. IO was double teamed all day and was creamed on a couple of defensive plays. That said, where were the others mopping up the QB while the double team played on?
When CT ran the option he finally approached the corner at full speed making the defense decide quickly where to go. Since in his prior films he would have been shown tossing to the trailing back thorson's speed to the opening allowed those breakaway runs. Hooray for progress!
 
Mr All Turk: AWalk [barely beats out Drew Smith]
All Turk Awards: AWalk, Smith, Lowry, Henry, Godwin, Harris, Lancaster, Niswander, Mertz, North, Frazier,Jackson, Long, Vault.

OC: McCall: Grade B
He is managing with a QB who simply has little to no confidence. So much so that Purdue had 11 guys in the box repeatedly BEGGING us to throw the ball. Nobody has confidence in Thorson and with plenty reason. That said, McCall wiggled enough trick plays to keep Purdue honest, and then focused almost entirely on the run. I think that was a good move. Although he may not have that option next week, it really paid off for our team over the last quarter as our OL took over. Utilizing Long/Vault more was also a plus, and Long showed once again that he is the second coming of Jason "If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be" Wright. It wasn't pretty but McCall isn't responsible for the lack of execution, and he I felt he had a good pulse for the game.

Am I missing something?
 
Really. Do you also want to congratulate Cushing for not robbing a bank today or for not being in ISIS? He's SUPPOSED TO have them ready to play. That's his JOB. SHEESH...

Man, you're one critical SOB....you can say "that's his job" every time a coach's unit performs well and rip them every time a kid makes a poor play. At least you stopped ripping Fitz for having Miccuci kick while Mitchell was recovering from his nagging injury.
 
Really. Do you also want to congratulate Cushing for not robbing a bank today or for not being in ISIS? He's SUPPOSED TO have them ready to play. That's his JOB. SHEESH...

Hey, look! It's Mr. Sunshine!

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Man, you're one critical SOB....you can say "that's his job" every time a coach's unit performs well and rip them every time a kid makes a poor play. At least you stopped ripping Fitz for having Miccuci kick while Mitchell was recovering from his nagging injury.
i was thoroughly impressed with the ol in the context of having two more starters out. Surely a credit to cushing. Mr Wonderful should acknowledge this. Mr Wonderful was friendly to u at the tailgate a few weeks ago but has gotten quite snippy at you lately.
 
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Turk.........why did Fitz call time out with 8 seconds left in the first half ???
I thought it gave Purdue time to set up a possible scoring play......could have made a big difference....stranger things have happened before. I just thought it was dumb !!!
 
Turk.........why did Fitz call time out with 8 seconds left in the first half ???
I thought it gave Purdue time to set up a possible scoring play......could have made a big difference....stranger things have happened before. I just thought it was dumb !!!
it was. really dumb but fitz has never been accused of being the best clock manager.
 
it was. really dumb but fitz has never been accused of being the best clock manager.

I thought the same at the time, too, but did they score on the final play of the first half?

Fitz is better than many (most?) HC's in managing the clock, IMO. Just about every college football fan in the U.S.A. thinks their HC is horrible at clock management and they're probably right.
 
I thought he did a terrific job at the end of the game...new exactly how much time was left and how many plays we needed to run in order to run the clock to zero. I thought for sure we would have needed to run at least one more play...
 
I thought he did a terrific job at the end of the game...new exactly how much time was left and how many plays we needed to run in order to run the clock to zero. I thought for sure we would have needed to run at least one more play...

Same here.
 
I thought he did a terrific job at the end of the game...new exactly how much time was left and how many plays we needed to run in order to run the clock to zero. I thought for sure we would have needed to run at least one more play...

I was screaming at the TV, pissed, because we didn't try to push it into the endzone which with the two point conversion would of given us a 15 point win and likely further consideration for the playoff. Can't beat Purdue by more than 7 points or Stanford by 10, no better deserving than Detroit bowl.

/s
 
Turk.........why did Fitz call time out with 8 seconds left in the first half ???
I thought it gave Purdue time to set up a possible scoring play......could have made a big difference....stranger things have happened before. I just thought it was dumb !!!

Purdue was going for the Hail Mary play there. With the headwind, they were out of field goal range. Call the timeout, make sure your guys are in proper position. Fitz did it, and they were. Well defended play, incomplete pass in the endzone, halftime. What exactly was the problem there?
 
Purdue was going for the Hail Mary play there. With the headwind, they were out of field goal range. Call the timeout, make sure your guys are in proper position. Fitz did it, and they were. Well defended play, incomplete pass in the endzone, halftime. What exactly was the problem there?
That is what I was thinking. He just called timeout to make sure that the defense was organized. I did not see any problem with that at all.
 
I thought Shuler was very good on punt returns today. He was aggressive in fielding short kicks, in fact , he made a great catch on a short line drive that would have rolled another 25 yards. I may be wrong but the winning TD came on that drive
 
Turk.........why did Fitz call time out with 8 seconds left in the first half ???
I thought it gave Purdue time to set up a possible scoring play......could have made a big difference....stranger things have happened before. I just thought it was dumb !!!
To make sure the team knew that it was likely PU was going for the end zone rather that for a first down. Going for a first would result in the clock running out so it was important to protect. Originally I thought it was questionable but when I thought further, I agreed with it.
 
I was screaming at the TV, pissed, because we didn't try to push it into the endzone which with the two point conversion would of given us a 15 point win and likely further consideration for the playoff. Can't beat Purdue by more than 7 points or Stanford by 10, no better deserving than Detroit bowl.

/s
Did you see the end of the IA MN game? The IA RB scored and then MN was able to score quickly and the game hinged on an on sides kick. If he had taken a knee, the game would have been over but he was greedy and chose to score.
 
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