It was really a 4 pt play as we got a 2 pt fg in that same possession aqnd it sort of changed the direction things were going
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He is used to winning with talent. Hard to say it is because of his coaching.
The guy always looks like he is in need of a cigarette break.
We missed one of the two free throws and we DID NOT score a field goal in that possession so it really had little to no impact on the outcome.
Maybe what I was thinking as the T was classified as an intentional but I thought the called it a flagrant 1. That was more of what I thought was a turning point. It was two and the ball and it was a big swing
Actually, CC said post game that Verhoeven's only hoop of the game a couple minutes later, which was our first field goal in the second half, was a momentum shifter. Made the score 43-38, I think, and was the start of our 22-2 run.
Not saying it was the case or not. And coaches play a big role in momentum changes. But often it just happens. Magic happens.
While it might not be best for long term motivation, you have to remember that a game is done in 2 hrs so you can't really use techniques that take a while to develop. Have to think he uses different methods in different situations. But in a game when you need an immediate change those techniques you might want to use that give you warm fuzzies, are not going to get the job done
He’s very chill non-game. Congrats on the win, though, you guys made us look like fools.
If I were Chris Collins, I’d be petitioning for these wins to count as neutral court victories in the NET rankings, though. 🙃
If I were Chris Collins, I’d be petitioning for these wins to count as neutral court victories in the NET rankings, though. 🙃
Believe it or not, he got a shout-out from the announcers for being abnormally composed tonight. Maybe it’s Franco’s night
BTN interviewed him on this. He basically went in, lit up his team for coming out flat for 90 seconds or so, then told them they needed to get each other psyched up or get blown out, then walked back out on the court and let them work it out. THey came out good in the second half so can't hate on him for it.
He makes it about himself though. Go stand in the hallway or sit in an office. Coming out and just sitting on the bench alone is the dramatic “make it about me” way to handle it.
Say what you want about Underwood - he's too much of a hardass, he's whiny, he makes it about himself, he criticizes his players - NW fans, Illini fans, whomever - like him or dislike him - over the last 4 seasons including this one, he has led his team to more conference wins than any other coach. Up to date beginning with the 2019/2020 season he has 51 wins. The next closest is Painter with 47. Some of his players can handle him and some can't. He wants to win and he wants guys who want to win, and he'll push them as hard as he can to get them to play hardnose defense, rebound, and limit turnovers. So personally, I don't care if he comes off as a hardass as long as he doesn't turn into Bob Knight.
Since this thread was started he has toned down the yelling during timeouts - give him credit for adjusting to his team. It didn't bother Ayo or Kofi or Frazier but apparently this team is a little more sensitive. But of course, let's listen to a NW fan call him whiny after it took their coach 11 years to figure out that it might make sense to play a little tougher on defense. The Wildcats are having a nice year so kudos to that coaching staff and players but I think you might want to reconsider going after a guy with 51 wins the last 4 conference seasons when your coach has 22. Beat UM tonight please.
No argument that he is a good coach. It's actually the first thing I said in my post from Tuesday night. He is a good coach. That said, in my opinion, he's one of those coaches that if things aren't going well, that act can get old REALLY fast. The best example I can think of is Ozzie Guillen. When the Sox were winning, everyone LOVED him. But as soon as the losing started, the act got weird and wasn't nearly as charming. It didn't take long for the White Sox to pull the plug.
Not saying Underwood is like Ozzie (they're actually pretty different), just making a comparison of those types of coaches. Illinois is playing good ball now and more in the direction of their potential (still not there yet based on the talent they have on the roster IMO). I think we'll have a very hard time beating them a second time in a couple of weeks and would be quite surprised if we left Champaign with a victory. But time will tell.
Collins has always been a defense first coach. The fundamentals of the scheme hasn’t changed. Added a couple of twists and have the veteran Jimmie’s and Joes to run it. It’s tougher to get the Jimmie’s and Joes when you have actual academic requirements.
Are you a borger?
(Ozzie reference is a free opportunity to post my favorite Ozzie article ever.)
Fung is winning and winning is fung.
We can say that, but the step up in effort this season is palpable. NU has no dreams of playing at an Iowa pace this season — that wasn’t necessarily the case the previous five years.
Look at the switch and doubling efforts in the post between Law, Lindsey, Lumpkin and Pardon and tell me there’s a massive change in effort or scheme. Compared to last couple years there is a much needed emphasis on the defense end this year. Adding a defensive first assistant coach and having your two best players completely bought in to defense first is the culture shift back to that. Adding a true post defender makes the scheme work.
We agree. He came in defense first, he made the tournament and decided he could score 90 a game, he did not score 99 a game and lost a bunch, somebody came in and reminded him to coach defense first.
Hilariously, that interior presence has been on the roster, just never got to see the court.
Defense-first is all about emphasis.
Nicholson wasn’t near the player last season he is this season… ridiculous. Collins didn’t decide he could score 90 a game lol. He recruited the best talent he could get and they didn’t buy in and/or didn’t have the skill set required for lock down defense. Nance was/is an excellent defender for the 4 and a good help defender at the 5 poor post defender at the 5. Young was a poor defender at the 5. Kopp is a poor defender. Buie had to develop into a decent-good defender. The culture collapsed post tourney season. It has been rebuilt this season. Collins always emphasized defense. Beran who is an excellent defender played more than Young for that reason. Much to the gripe of the board.
I’m not defending Collins or condemning him but to say he wasn’t always a defense first coach is not accurate. Condem him for record and recruiting mistakes and letting his tourney team lose chemistry. We don’t need to make things up to criticize his coaching tenure. It’s been a rollercoaster.
Bumping this Hungry post.
I watched a bit of the Illinois-Kentucky game. Underwood might be the angriest basketball coach I’ve ever seen - Bobby Knight may be #2 on my list. 😡
Where is Izzo on your list? He seems to be often angry if generally having less to be angry about than almost every other B1G coach in conference history.
Yah but Bobby Knight won.
There is no doubt that Underwood is successful in bringing in great talent. Just doesn't seem that good at getting a lot out of them
Izzo wears a scowl in games, but he is pretty well known for allowing his players to argue back with him and make their points during games.
Besides, don't most coaches rant and rave on the sidelines?
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