It's actually very simple. If your not good enough to play, you sit and hopefully work hard to make yourself and teammates better players and better people.
Vassar
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The thing is I really thought Vassar was awesome - just shows you what little I know.
I do think he's better than most of the players we have brought to NU before Collins arrived. Memories of "I can do it all" Jevon Johnson still haunt me.
I do think he's better than most of the players we have brought to NU before Collins arrived. Memories of "I can do it all" Jevon Johnson still haunt me.
Man, you just can't let it go, can you?
I'll give you MY list:
Better than:
Soltau
Duvancic
Brandon Lee
Houlihan
Melchior
Baran
Capocci
Fruendt
Ajou
Turner
Not Better Than:
Vukusic
Hachad
Maley
Seacat
Parker
Scott
Doyle
Cote
Moore
Coble
Nash
Ryan
Okrzesik
Sterling Williams
Michael Thompson
Peljusic
Curletti
Rowley
Shurna
Crawford
Hearn
Marco
Mirk
Cobb
Demps
Sobo
Abrahamson
Olah
Lumpkin
So yes, there were a number of non-contributors in the previous regime. But the number of good Guards was surprisingly high.
And FWIW, Jevon Johnson was a Byrdsong recruit. You have a LONG memory........
Here's my take on this. A scholarship is a two way street. The University provides the scholarship in exchange for the student athlete upholding certain standards academically, behaviorly, and abiding by team rules and policies. The fact that Johnny still has his scholarship says to me that (at least as could be argued legally) he has met all of those standards. Why, then, would he not be on the team? If a guy just says "I'm tired of being on this team so I quit" I do not believe the University would be obliged to keep paying his tuition. I believe the answer is that Chris Collins must prefer that he not be on the team. This puts pressure on Johnny to look elsewhere which would free up another scholarship. What possible reason could there otherwise be? Wouldn't it be useful to have him on the team even if it were just for practice? Johnny is clearly in the driver's seat here as he has his tuition paid for at NU while he looks for another place to play. As was said earlier, this is the point of the 4 year schollies and it is a good thing.
He is still looking to transfer, yes? Thus, he's a lame duck player. Why would they waste each other's time (Collins/Vasser) if he has no intention of sticking around? He DOESN'T WANT to be on the team. To me, the question is, why would you have a guy hang around that doesn't want to be there?
And who on Indiana said that Crean asked them to leave? Coaches know how to recruit, motivate... and in turn say the exact right thing to get a kid to get out. Kale said that he was unhappy with the role Collins made for him, which was stand in the corner and shoot 3s. What else did Collins say? We'll never know. What did Crean say? We don't know that either. Yet, we back our guy as someone that can do no wrong (I'm ok with that). Then we have righteous indignation toward every other school (kind of hypocritical BS in my opinion).
He doesn't want to be on the team, or CC doesn't want him to be on the team. You have called people out for providing no evidence to the latter. What evidence do you have of the former?
DCF. Did you catch my thread: http://northwestern.forums.rivals.com/threads/hey-dcf.12506/
I thought I was being pretty funny.
How did Vasser end up at Northwestern? Collin's offered him a scholarship? Hmm...must've wanted him on the team, I guess. If Vasser doesn't make a good showing, and CC tell him he needs to see A LOT of improvement before he sees quality minutes, well, how does any blame go on the coach for that? EVERY good coach will do the same thing.
Of course. I get this. I am not "blaming" anyone. I am just surmising what I believe happened.
I think part of the issue is that Jordan Ash will be playing the same role as Vassar as a perimeter on ball defender from everything I've heard. On top of that, Ash seems like he's more of an asset offensively as well as being a larger body at 6'2 rather than Vasser at 5'11. Once Ash committed, Vassar's usefulness diminished.
Shakes. Sorry I missed it. My son wanted to do a Hate Week last week and hate on Rutgers (just because he hates Rutgers and likes to call them Buttgers) but the higher powers at Inside NU decided against it.
He announced that he was going to transfer. Sure sounds like he didn't want to play BB for NU.
I'm working with the same evidence you are. You've made some pretty strong assertions in this thread with no more evidence than I or anybody else has.
Austin Etherington after his senior year and with one year of eligibility left stated that Crean came to him and said, "If I can ever be a job reference for you just let me know."
I can't explain why the three IU players left after last season when IU was over its scholarship limit by three with the class of '19 recruits.
I think this is a somewhat fair criticism primarily because NU recruits strictly student athletes. Most of the 15 bball players at Indiana who were Creaned weren't there for the classes. So, when the bball doesn't work at NU guys like Turner and Vassar find high value in continuing course work. Whereas the Indy guys have zero reason to be there.
It makes it too easy for an NU person to judge the practices of a bball program like the current IU and act as though our program is superior. Which...
The evidence I (and especially Medill90) has posted far outweighs they empty assertions you've made.
Not gonna happen from me. I've made my point. Seems like a fair amount of agreement on it as well in this thread.
Let it go, 2011!
Haha as if you didn't already try to start that a few posts back.
Completely agree. For once, the athlete has the power, and if and until he decides to transfer he can take advantage of being a student at NU. I find no fault in what Johnnie is doing.
Sounds like your son should transfer since he is clearly not getting his quality minutes at InsideNU (hate week on Rutgers would have been a scream...)
How much do we really know that suggests that CCC has done anything resembling cutthroat? We don't know who approached who about transferring. Players want to know where they stand if it isn't obvious to them. It's good that a coach is honest with them so they can make proper decisions. Guys like Abrahamson want playing time and choose to transfer to get it. I don't think that should be regarded as wilting.
Apparently, YOU won't let it go. I was not referring to Carmody at all. I am comparing though the current talent with talent from previous years that I have witnessed (I started watching the Cats during the Foster era).
And I disagree with your list. Athletically speaking, Vassar is superior to 95% of the list you have there. And as a basketball player probably better than half. If he had been playing on the teams that many of those players were playing on, he would have started. The fact is most of the players on that list would get as much or less time as Vassar did as freshmen. It's a testament of where this program is now - we have real B1G depth. We can go at least 10 deep, whereas in previous years, in some cases we couldn't even field 5 B1G quality players in our starting lineup.
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