So what? Is he not allowed to post because you don’t agree. Did you see a groundswell of posters backing this idea?
What we learned from today's hazing press conferences
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Oh he’s totally allowed. But to say that the pro-Fitz contingent is suppressed or a minority seems facetious.
I disagree, the worm has turned and he most definitely gets more criticism than support. Personally, I want more details before nailing him to the cross. The man contends he did not know. That doesn’t mean he has no accountability, but it is a helleva a lot different than ordered/condoned the actions.
I would suggest that it is the University outside of athletics that won;t see anything and at this point athletics is pretty iffy as well
Once lawyers became involved, any hope of having an honest discussion about this from anyone/everyone involved was lost.
Fitz will behave like a human Fort Knox. Zero culpability or admission of even the most fundamental level of responsibility - per his counsel's directives. A significant 180 from the buck stopping with the head coach.
Accusers will exaggerate circumstances to the Nth degree while remaining "honest" by legal standards, per their counsel's directives - to fan the flames burning amongst their supporters and the media looking for salacious details, and to the consternation of skeptics.
Fitz knew things happened. Between the comments to Lou immediately after the Daily article, to the interviews in The Athletic today, there’s no way he couldn’t have known. How much he knew is unclear.
By choosing to deny, he made his bed. Had he accepted responsibility, acknowledged a mistake, and accepted a suspension that was an actual penalty, he’d be fine.
He got bad advice when he was told to deny, and he just looks foolish denying now.
I guess you've never had people make false accusations about you before for their own benefit. It's good to keep an open mind.
I'm incredulous people think Fitz must have known about hazing when in reality, coaches spend very little time in the locker room. I believe that it's more likely at least some of these kids' motivations are questionable than Fitz knowing about and allowed hazing in the program.
I am quite open to the possibility that some of these individuals are seeing an opportunity and piling on. I am not open to the possibility that all of them are. I also think it's likely that what Fitz may have thought was going on in the locker room was not nearly as bad as what was actually happening in the locker room, especially in the past few years, but I find it very hard to believe that he was completely ignorant of some of these "traditions" that apparently go back 20+ years.
Sadly agree, Sheffielder. The way this has evolved, there is very little chance that this will be focused on finding out the truth of what has happened, correcting the problems, and creating something better for all involved. Instead, this will become about winning and losing with those involved retreating to their respective corners and coming out scorched earth against "the other side". It makes a sad situation sadder.
I keep an open mind while siding with Fitz on this because I believe he can make the changes necessary. I also find what has been reported to be disturbing.
I find it very easy to believe that Fitz was unaware of what was going on. My coaches in HS and college football know nothing about what was going on in my world, particularly in college.
"It is those we live with and love and should know who elude us." - Norman Maclean
I find it very easy to believe that Fitz was unaware of what was going on. My coaches in HS and college football know nothing about what was going on in my world, particularly in college.
"It is those we live with and love and should know who elude us." - Norman Maclean
See Duke and Oberlin. They could have saved million$ by heeding your advice.
Yes, NU administration is a dumpster fire. While I have some sympathy for Fitz, it’s a complete abdication of leadership responsibility to not have known considering how far back the “traditions” went. If you’re going to allow any degree of initiation or “hazing”, then someone has to police it and make sure it doesn’t get out of control. Risk management 101 and the team CEO is boss. Otherwise it’s like letting the inmates run the asylum. That’s why Fitz got fired. If he looks deep in the mirror, he knows why he’s unemployed. His inaction will also probably cost the ringleaders their scholarships once the truth comes out. Everyone is going to have to live with the consequences of the lawsuit and CYA game that have to play out before the football team and possibly entire athletic department can be rebuilt.
I was threatened by a boss with a false accusation that could have ended my career just to silence me.
I found out how incompetent she was after discussing a colleague's MS galley proofs that she'd reviewed. It was full of mistakes, falsehoods, and creative writing rather than science. "Papers should follow the 'Pro-Park' line", she'd say (BS) and she pushed metrics that apply to streams when the Everglades is unlike any system on Earth and these were the first such richness and diversity data obtained for her critters (Copepods). My Italian colleague who struggled writing English, was coerced to write conclusions that were not supported by her results! Equally amazing is that the paper had been accepted (Hydrobiologia - which is popular but with uneven editing) and these were the galleys.
Anyway, yeah, she wanted me gone in the worst way because she knew then that I knew just how horribly unsuitable she was as a research leader. She was conning everyone. Fortunately for me, her bosses knew she was incompetent.
There are a lot of scammers out there who will falsely smear someone for personal profit. There's also a lot of money being trolled through the Northwestern locker room right now.
Politics and one sided Daily reporting aside, something rotten was going on in Kenosha for years and made its way to Evanston in some form.
Everyone has their own personal experiences. I was recently forced to quit or be fired from a start up job in which I held equity that I poured my soul into all thru the pandemic by a psychopath libertarian who gaslighted me on the regular to cover up his bad management choices. Scammers and managers like that have absolutely zero to do with hazing and the right and wrong of being a coach who has responsibility for his entire team’s physical and mental well being.
That coach is supposed to be the parent / father figure away from home or shouldn’t be coaching. It’s not the 80s or 90s anymore. I’m a tail end gen-Xer and have had to struggle with growing and adapting to the new cultural norms but it’s the right thing to do. We all gotta change with the times or get left behind. That’s what happened to Fitz both on and off the field.
Everyone has their own personal experiences. I was recently forced to quit or be fired from a start up job in which I held equity that I poured my soul into all thru the pandemic by a psychopath libertarian who gaslighted me on the regular to cover up his bad management choices. Scammers and managers like that have absolutely zero to do with hazing and the right and wrong of being a coach who has responsibility for his entire team’s physical and mental well being.
That coach is supposed to be the parent / father figure away from home or shouldn’t be coaching. It’s not the 80s or 90s anymore. I’m a tail end gen-Xer and have had to struggle with growing and adapting to the new cultural norms but it’s the right thing to do. We all gotta change with the times or get left behind. That’s what happened to Fitz both on and off the field.
Politics aside, the guy was a libertarian, I tell you! A libertarian!!!! 😀
How stupid are those liberals who pick large, corporate, for-profit entities to try and deliver their message?
When it's a false message, it's really evil. Both sides do it, e.g., climate change.
The feminazis and racist liberals went wild and at one point there were NINE claims that women had been raped by CU football players or "large black men," all of them unsupported by DNA fingerprinting.
The Barnett scandal was a particularly egregious example because of the unaccountability of the plaintiffs for their behavior and their manipulation of the media. The media was led around by the nose the plaintiff's PR firm because they're hungry for good dirt. Fortunately, a reporter heard Barnett's frustrated plea for some balanced reporting, started investigating, and discovered a clean program that had done nothing wrong.
And now we have another football program scandal to decipher, with a 5th string QB leading a bunch of reserves looking for a big payday and probably ready to embellish and bear false witness to get it. There may have been some hazing going on and that sucks as well, but some of the complaints I've heard are silly snowflake stuff or obviously embellished.
This entire scandal sickens me. If widespread hazing did occur, I'd love to confront the assholes who thought it would be funny to pull this hazing crap. Freshman year is hard enough without having to deal with that crap.
The Barnett scandal was based entirely on the plaintiff's wild parties that CU played no role in organizing. Barnett was supposed to have known about them.
The feminazis and racist liberals went wild and at one point there were NINE claims that women had been raped by CU football players or "large black men," all of them unsupported by DNA fingerprinting.
The Barnett scandal was a particularly egregious example because of the unaccountability of the plaintiffs for their behavior and their manipulation of the media. The media was led around by the nose the plaintiff's PR firm because they're hungry for good dirt. Fortunately, a reporter heard Barnett's frustrated plea for some balanced reporting, started investigating, and discovered a clean program that had done nothing wrong.
And now we have another football program scandal to decipher, with a 5th string QB leading a bunch of reserves looking for a big payday and probably ready to embellish and bear false witness to get it. There may have been some hazing going on and that sucks as well, but some of the complaints I've heard are silly snowflake stuff or obviously embellished.
This entire scandal sickens me. If widespread hazing did occur, I'd love to confront the assholes who thought it would be funny to pull this hazing crap. Freshman year is hard enough without having to deal with that crap.
The Barnett scandal was based entirely on the plaintiff's wild parties that CU played no role in organizing. Barnett was supposed to have known about them.
I debated about just using psychopath as it is a synonym and redundant.
