And there's the rub! We've spent the last four years in last place. This year its fourth place or bust! And I'm excited!!But when you are coming off 67 wins, anything helps.
Plus, my old high school teammate is now the manager!
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And there's the rub! We've spent the last four years in last place. This year its fourth place or bust! And I'm excited!!But when you are coming off 67 wins, anything helps.
You do know its ok to not be an expert on everything.I also am an avid reader and consumer of baseball news and the Machado is a cancer view is not new. My view of him as a player is reinforced by what I have seen of him on TV and in person over the course of several seasons.
Once again, I’ll reiterate there is a difference between being liked and being respected. A leader doesn’t have to be liked, but he has to be respected. Machado is not a leader and shouldn’t expect to be paid like one.
I also am an avid reader and consumer of baseball news and the Machado is a cancer view is not new. My view of him as a player is reinforced by what I have seen of him on TV and in person over the course of several seasons.
Once again, I’ll reiterate there is a difference between being liked and being respected. A leader doesn’t have to be liked, but he has to be respected. Machado is not a leader and shouldn’t expect to be paid like one.
I'll say this: I have no personal or even knows-someone-who-knows-someone knowledge of Manny Machado or his characteristics or habits. I see only the little bit we see on TV plus whatever media has come out about him over the years. I'm *pretty* sure you also don't have any, but correct me if I'm wrong.
That’s correct as per my post just prior to this one. I also didn’t know Jay Cutler but I saw and read enough of him over the years to form an opinion of him as a player and a leader. I’d put Machado and Cutler in what I like to call the JEFF George category of player, million dollar talents with 5 cent hearts and character.
You do know its ok to not be an expert on everything.
Having an opinion is fine, but to treat everything you say as fact is kind of silly. Who wouldn't want Machado or Harper in their line-up if they could afford it? This whole discussion is insane.
Wow. That's pretty cool.And there's the rub! We've spent the last four years in last place. This year its fourth place or bust! And I'm excited!!
Plus, my old high school teammate is now the manager!
And you'd be wrong.
Except he is respected. And he'll be paid what the market deems he's worth
Finally you’ve said something we can agree on. He’ll be paid what the market deems he is worth. My guess is that number is nowhere near where he or his agent thought it would be.
And that's surprising because... ?
I like you Jack, so I'm going to ignore your last paragraph.Wow. That's pretty cool.
It must be pretty hard for pitchers in that park. They have lots of young arms who looked pretty talented, but Great American seems like a launching pad.
I'm a Cardinal fan, and after watching Walt Jocketty take advantage of some buy low scenarios to get guys like Rolen, Edmonds, MacGwire, Woody Williams, Will Clark, and Larry Walker (and stumbling onto Pujols in the 13th round) into St. Louis, I was dubious his strategy could be replicated in Cincy.
Yeah. The NL Central is pretty solid. The Cards have some young talented arms, and maybe Goldschmidt pushes them through, but I still think the Cubs are tops. The Brewers overachieved last year, but are still a good team.I like you Jack, so I'm going to ignore your last paragraph.
The Reds haven't developed a good pitcher in a long time. Johnny Cueto is the only one in the past couple of decades. They do have a kid named Luis Castillo who they got from the Marlins that may be the next team ace, but its very much still TBD. Last year was his first, full season. We'll see how he emerges this year.
The Reds should have a fairly decent bullpen this year, though, so if they can find some starters that can fight their way through five innings each night, they might have the offense and bullpen to win a few games.
The problem remains that the they are in the same division with the Cubs who are now no longer a laughing stock (dammit!). And the Cards should probably be better this year (dammit! dammit!!). And the Brewers are good now too, though maybe they'll regress this year after the surprise that was this past season.
Not surprising to me. Surprising to anyone who believed the hype that Machado or Harper were 10 year, $300+mm type players. They are not.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if they end up in that ballpark (or even more) on an AAV basis. The sticking point seems to be length of the contract more than the dollar figure.
Big difference between a 5 year $150 million deal and a 10 year $300 million deal. This isn’t football, every single dollar of a baseball contract is guaranteed.
I don’t care if you are shocked or not. You implied that AAV is as relevant in baseball. It is not. Total contract size is what matters. I’ll be surprised if either of them signs a nine figure contract that starts with a 2.Am I supposed to be shocked by this insight?
Thinking more like 7-8 years at $230-240 (as much as ~$33MM AAV) on the high end. Don't think teams want to commit high dollars to guys in their mid-30s after watching Pujols, Hayward, etc. turn into absolute albatrosses... but they will pay for "prime" years.
No, there is no salary limit in MLB.If they are unwilling to sign Machado or Harper because this step would deprive them of the resources to sign their own players, isn’t this an indirect acknowledgement that they value those players more than Machado/Harper? In my view the answer is pretty clearly yes.
I don’t care if you are shocked or not. You implied that AAV is as relevant in baseball. It is not. Total contract size is what matters. I’ll be surprised if either of them signs a nine figure contract that starts with a 2.
No, there is no salary limit in MLB.
Not surprising to me. Surprising to anyone who believed the hype that Machado or Harper were 10 year, $300+mm type players. They are not.
What a compelling arguement! I think I’ll keep trusting my judgement about character and leadership over yours. It has served me well over the years.
Ok, man. “Player doesn’t get exactly the contract demanded by him and his agent” isn’t exactly ground-breaking.
So you’re saying best case for either is $199 in total value? I think I would take that bet.
I am saying that i don’t think Machado will get an offer worth $200mm or more and Harper won’t sign one that “only” starts with a two. Neither are worth it.
They aren't because of supply/demand and other economic factors. Not because they aren't "leaders" like you claim.
I am saying that i don’t think Machado will get an offer worth $200mm or more and Harper won’t sign one that “only” starts with a two. Neither are worth it.
Wrong again. Machado already has an offer north of $200MM, from the White Sox. 7 years, about 30MM AAV right now with plenty of room to budge should they need to
Really? Then he should sign it ASAP before Reinsdorf comes to his senses. I heard the number is 7/$175mm. Doesn’t really matter. As I said, the White Sox signing Machado for $175mm or $210mm would only be the latest evidence that Reinsdorf owns two of the worst run franchises in professional sports.
Stop wasting your time. He's never wrong about anything......ever.You heard that from Bruce Levine who got shot down by Rosenthal, Lozano, Passan and others. He is wrong and his source on that was garbage. Hahn himself was furious about that leak because it was a bad look for the organization
And again you're looking at this situation in black and white and spewing your opinion as fact. "Evidence that Reinsdorf owns 2 of the worst run franchises in professional sports."
You provided no evidence of how this signing is actually evidence, you just don't like Machado or Harper because of a false narrative you've developed from watching them play on TV. I provided *some* evidence as to why you're wrong, as much as I can on a public forum anyways, and you just keep going.
If you'd like more evidence to why you're wrong, I'll direct you to their Fangraphs pages.
The White Sox have about $15MM committed to payroll before arb deals next winter. They have the ability to absorb a $30MM AAV contract better than anyone in baseball right now sans maybe a team or two.
Stop wasting your time. He's never wrong about anything......ever.
Stop wasting your time. He's never wrong about anything......ever.
Neither side has any inside info so this is all based on opinions.
Are we talking about facts or opinions? Neither side has any inside info so this is all based on opinions. How can my opinion be wrong? Should I change my opinion because a few people disagree with me? Sorry, I don’t form opinions casually and I don’t change them casually either.
You heard that from Bruce Levine who got shot down by Rosenthal, Lozano, Passan and others. He is wrong and his source on that was garbage. Hahn himself was furious about that leak because it was a bad look for the organization
And again you're looking at this situation in black and white and spewing your opinion as fact. "Evidence that Reinsdorf owns 2 of the worst run franchises in professional sports."
You provided no evidence of how this signing is actually evidence, you just don't like Machado or Harper because of a false narrative you've developed from watching them play on TV. I provided *some* evidence as to why you're wrong, as much as I can on a public forum anyways, and you just keep going.
If you'd like more evidence to why you're wrong, I'll direct you to their Fangraphs pages.
The White Sox have about $15MM committed to payroll before arb deals next winter. They have the ability to absorb a $30MM AAV contract better than anyone in baseball right now sans maybe a team or two.
Well.... this is just incorrect
That’s just not true.
They aren't because of supply/demand and other economic factors. Not because they aren't "leaders" like you claim.
You have inside info? What about Robin?
Could I have explained this scenario any clearer? It's bananaland to me
You heard that from Bruce Levine who got shot down by Rosenthal, Lozano, Passan and others. He is wrong and his source on that was garbage. Hahn himself was furious about that leak because it was a bad look for the organization
And again you're looking at this situation in black and white and spewing your opinion as fact. "Evidence that Reinsdorf owns 2 of the worst run franchises in professional sports."
You provided no evidence of how this signing is actually evidence, you just don't like Machado or Harper because of a false narrative you've developed from watching them play on TV. I provided *some* evidence as to why you're wrong, as much as I can on a public forum anyways, and you just keep going.
If you'd like more evidence to why you're wrong, I'll direct you to their Fangraphs pages.
The White Sox have about $15MM committed to payroll before arb deals next winter. They have the ability to absorb a $30MM AAV contract better than anyone in baseball right now sans maybe a team or two.