You still don't get it and you never will as long you're hung up over money.
Another Unfortunate Result of NIL
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I'm sure that I am much older than you are, which probably explains why we appear to have a completely different set of values.
“Money for me, but not for thee” is very much a certain generation’s set of “values”, so this isn’t all that surprising.
Agreed. Once the boomers got their house and dough, they screwed the rest of us.
Principles are what people discover after when food, clothing, shelter and financial needs are met.
If you're saying that it's hypocritical to argue that others' being paid a fair market value is immoral and a degradation to societal values while sitting in a position of privilege built on having been paid your fair market value for a long period of time, I agree.
But is it really a 'fair market value'?
Or his it been greatly inflated way beyond its true value due to greed and avarice among the parties involved?
Is it, in fact, a gross distortion of value based on major flaws that have developed in our society?
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You can make this argument about anything you wish. Fitz’s salary, college tuition, the price of movie tickets, the cost of routine condo roof maintenance, the price of gemstones, etc., etc. Fair market value is not determined by your definition of “fair”. It is determined by the meeting of a demand and supply for a good or service.
If it’s inflated, it will crash and hard lessons will be learned along the way. But it’s better to have learned those lessons, than to slap away the invisible hand with a paternalistic one and regulate people’s economic freedoms away.
The market is distorted because of collectively-bargained agreements (see Sotomayor's ruling against Maurice Clarett) in the NFL and NBA that impose a minimum age limit on professional players.
I don't understand you folks because I never think abou money. Never. There have been times when I've had it, and times when I didn't. I then did without. I became a teacher, not worried about the lousy salary. It didn't occur to me. I wanted to teach. (Teacher’s salary is good now.) When money was low in the early days, I worked four jobs one summer. I didn't whine or complain. I just did it.
I don't envy folks who are rich. I just don’t concern myself with them. Please don’t lecture me on how the world works. I know how it works. The only people for whom I feel compassion are the poor. I can’t muster sympathy for some poor, put-upon campus football god. Oh, boo hoo. You all sound like my 8th grade students whining, “That's not fair!!!“
That is how the workd works. It's not fair.
I don't envy folks who are rich. I just don’t concern myself with them. Please don’t lecture me on how the world works. I know how it works. The only people for whom I feel compassion are the poor. I can’t muster sympathy for some poor, put-upon campus football god. Oh, boo hoo. You all sound like my 8th grade students whining, “That's not fair!!!“
That is how the workd works. It's not fair.
The college football world is a lot fairer now thanks to NIL.
If anyone is virtue signaling, it’s you sir. I know how hard but fun it is to be a coach for free, and didn’t end up becoming a teacher (yet) as I wanted to do other things that paid better. So we agree that this is the way the world works, and - while the world isn’t fair - NIL makes it a bit fairer for the college football players that used to play for relatively nothing.
Isn’t this better than a bunch of unions?
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No. We don't agree at all that NIL makes it any fairer for college football players. Because you are wrong that they 'used to play for relatively nothing'.
They, in fact, played for scholarships and living expenses that are valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars over four or five years. About $100,000 per year. That is a very generous and fair arrangement.
Ok let’s run another thought experiment.
Let’s say, God forbid, the Alabama QB had a sick family member. They were facing monstrous medical bills and what’s now called “financial toxicity” due to the inherent inefficiencies of the current American healthcare system.
Thanks to the new NIL format, the Alabama QB can just pay those bills for this family member. Full stop. He can then continue playing football for the “generous scholarship” system, his family is saved from bankruptcy… and everyone wins.
So please explain: who loses in this experiment? Everybody wins. Even if the Alabama QB never pans out or makes it to the pros - which happens more often than we care to admit - he at least saved his loved one(s) from financial ruin thanks to his three or four years of college.
Certainly there are students, both scholarship athletes and others, who have serious financial problems at home for a variety of reasons. The particular situation you mention is difficult for anyone facing it and needs to resolved at a much higher and broader level for all of those people encountering it.
Would you object to a GoFundMe specifically for that Alabama QB's family member's medical bills? Would the pre-NIL NCAA rules have prohibited this? I suspect the answer is no, but I don't know for sure. But if the NCAA would have prevented this, then this would be a specific situation in need of reform. But we don't need to open the floodgates for any and all forms of corrupt payments just to allow a GoFundMe specifically tailored to paying for a family member's medical bills.
Here is another thought experiment. I have a magic wand. With a wave of my hand, I can make you one of the most talented quarterbacks in the country. Would you play a season for free? Well, not free exactly. All charges for classes you take will be paid and you can learn some cool stuff. You will also get room and board. After the season, you will return to your normal life back before the season, unchanged. You can watch your pseudo-self win the Big 10. Would that be cool or what? What a dream, huh?
According to whom?
So college FB and BB coaches (and even administrators these days) making millions off the backs of students playing those sports isn't a degradation of morals and values?
There are a good # of star HS athletes with immense social media followings (one hoops star has 6 million followers).
That's already accomplishing something (nevermind all the hard work they had already put into being as good as they are at this juncture - which you seem to totally dismiss/ignore).
And there are professional leagues for coaches to make millions (why should coaches be making millions coaching amateur athletes)?
The typical P5 FB coach makes more than a MLB manager.
And there are students who are musicians/singers/actors who are also professionals at the same time.
There are STEM students who get paid for research, internships, etc.
How is that any different?
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That's socialism.
And maybe if schools weren't paying coaches ridiculous salaries to coach so-called amateurs they'd have more $ for scholarships.
It's peanuts compared to what coaches and even administrators are banking these days.
And much of that value is arbitrary (schools continually hiking tuition) and set by the schools.
And school are basically dipping at both ends.
Counting financial aid, the typical student pays about 1/2 tuition, but schools get the full (grossly inflated) tuition for each scholarship athlete.
So, the athletes in the revenue sports are basically paying full freight for all the other scholarship athletes.
NILs are simply opening up a previously blocked revenue stream.
Many times Olympic medalist and swimming superstar Ledecky only swam competitively for Stanford for 2 seasons as she was giving up on endorsement deals.
For many athletes in Olympic sports, there are no professional ranks in which to make $ after their college career is over, so they need to make $ (primarily via endorsements) while they can.
Olympic all-around champ in women's gymastics, Suni Lee, likely wouldn't be competing for Clemson this fall without NIL - as she would be giving up millions in endorsement $.
NIL allows for Olympic sport athletes to compete and continue to compete in college.
So that's a huge benefit to having NILs.
It's really not surprising that posters of a certain bent are so opposed to NIL, which is pretty humorous (what happened to capitalism and all that)?
But then again, only the entrenched "old school" powers that be are supposed to make any real big $.
And who knows?
Maybe being able to make a sizable sum from NILs may convince a star FB or BB player to stay in college another year instead of jumping to the pros?
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So? Does that mean an 18YO can’t get drafted like my old man was right out of HS? I’m pretty sure they still can. So let’s let them make some money off their NIL while they’re able.
No. If I were one of the most talented QBs in the country, I’d probably also be really talented at baseball as a pitcher.
If I could throw a 95mph fastball and had a nice curve, I’d try to get drafted by a MLB team and get a contract worth millions - even if it only pays off for one season, after which I’d get cut due to the loss of my magical abilities.
Then I’d go back to my “normal life”, and watch my favorite B1G football team from my comfy schmumfy coach. I’d be able to afford a really nice couch, TV, and a subscription to the B1G network after my season playing baseball. I also wouldn’t have any gnarly head trauma.
The "scholarship" argument is specious, particularly for NU. NU's financial aid program is VERY generous to those in need, so if there are needy athletes, their cost to attend is probably more like 20k. Still too much? Ok, tell me - if not for love of the game and dear ole alma mater, wouldn't this same needy student be better off working 20 hours a week during the school year and 40 during the summer? They'd make nearly as much as they would as a football player, maybe AS much, and not risk life and limb. But..but...then they can't go to the NFL!!! Except the chances of an NU player going to the NFL and making life-changing money are like one in 50.
My point is, F the scholarship. It's near-worthless compared to financial aid/job to a needy player. These FB players are dragging all the other non-revenue athletes behind them, AND the bloated athletic departments, and putting their health at risk. They deserve the money. I think the NIL program is an uncontrolled Pandora's box, and will be to the detriment of programs like NU, but I 100.00% support the athletes getting compensated. Kain Colter was right, and now his health is a wreck. Plus he was better than Siemian (just to rile E-Cat)
Maybe even communism.
God forbid they have to make a choice. It doesn't sound like the "free market" you claim to support is able to support a professional league in those sports.
Well, you are wrong again just as you are on so many other things. As hdhntr1 has pointed out there has not been a military draft in almost 50 years.
You being 'pretty sure' about this just goes to show the real depth of your knowledge and why most of your comments can be readily discounted.
Conscription has not been outlawed in the US- just because something hasn’t happened in 50 years doesn’t mean it still can’t. Ergo it could still happen- but given the growth in remote/ drone warfare it hasn’t been needed. If we were to ever go to war with, say, China, I guarantee there would be some form of a draft.
You are out of your depth on this one, CaliCat. Just like you are on the overwhelmingly positive merits of the NIL.
Sorry, but you can't escape from the fact that your statement...
"Does that mean an 18YO can’t get drafted like my old man was right out of HS? I’m pretty sure they still can."
...is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding about the current military draft system as it stands today.
As far as the future is concerned, anything is possible with a new act of Congress. But your statement is in the present tense. Not some arbitrary future time.
So it is you who is really out of his depth on this subject, not me.
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“risking life and limb” might be a tad over-dramatic here. Believe it or not, nearly all of these guys WANT to play football. That’s why the transfer portal is so massive.
Yes, and many want to make it their profession. Realistic or not.
dramatic or not, there are physical ailments later in life for many who take this road.
But very, VERY few physical ailments for those who play in college. Why is the college suddenly financially responsible for a student who chooses to play football beyond college? It no longer has anything to do with them.
Technically, we’re all risking life and limb just getting out of bed in the morning. Where’s my compensation!?
Not quite that easy. If they are from a middle class family the "aide" is loans that someone has to pay back. And as others have said, if they have a desire to come to NU, in many cases they could not get in other than the flexibility in standards that being an athlete gets. As far as trying to get through on summer jobs and 20 hrs per week, yah, right Not at current prices even with "generous" aide And I am talking as someone that actually paid my way through at list price. Of course tuition at the time was $2200 to $3K and total cost of an NU education was about $14K. But now at about $300k or more....Good luck. Hard to find college students that even actually work during the summer, and during the school year?, LOL When was the last time you saw that? (Oh that's right, Johny Vasser
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Until they pass laws to bring it back, it is not something that can happen. When those laws are changed, you might have an argument but till then...
Based on what you have indicated about yourself, there has not been a draft in your lifetime. I actually lived through those last years of the draft and was eligible for it. You really have no clue on this
Yes; they're not as generous with "aid" to the middle class as some people seem to think. The middle class are increasingly being priced out of the elite schools. The people who can "afford" to attend the elite, private schools are the wealthiest and the poorest.
Why is it fair to a student from a middle-class family to be burdened with the largest share of debt?
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