Attempt at a deeper dive into recruiting
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Given that Colins' contract runs through 2025, he has exactly the same leash length as Carmody had......
5-7 or even 6-6 seasons suck. So, frankly does the NIT. That anyone considers this to be acceptable kind of disgusts me.
I want MOAR
I prefer making a bowl game to not making one. Gives the team extra practice reps to develop for the future.
I prefer making the NIT to not making a tournament. It gives the team postseason experience to develop for the future.
I'm not saying it's acceptable as an every-season occurrence. I'm saying if that's the floor for a "bad year," which only happens once every several years, I can live with that.
Collins has not proven that's his "floor" yet. Fitz has.
Sure, I guess I prefer having uncontrolled diarrhea vs. blood pouring out of my ass. Everything is relative.
And I guess if the diarrhea only lasts temporarily, I would literally live with that. But, it still sucks.
I think Benson is better than this board gives him credit for. He's was for sure a solid B1G back up center last year. The problem is Pardon is just so good he gets the minutes. Also their styles of play didn't really match up well to put on the court at the same time. I doubt we will ever see too much of the "twin towers" unless someone devolps quicker feet and a good jumper.
Calling hits guys who would contribute at a top half B1G level misses are not
I would call brown and Vassar misses
Ash has one more year to prove himself as more then a situational defensive guard. So I'm gonna say miss but he could very easily change that this year
RI and falzon were just bad luck misses because of injuries and looked very promising as recruits. Falzon could change that this year
Bmac- hit obviously
Pardon- hit obviously
law - hit obviously
Lindsey - before he went down with mono was looking like one of the top scoring threats in the B1G and his defense was pretty good then too. The other 3 seasons we just saw flashes of that streak he went on. Hit
Skelly- improved every year and became an excellent 6th man caliber player his senior year. Hit
Gaines - solid defense by the end of freshman season. Showed great slashing ability. Needs to work on his jumper to become an impact player but he for sure has the potential. TBD
So first class was 4/5 80%
2nd class 1/3 33%
3rd class 1/3 33%
4th and 5th class tbd
Overall 6/11 55%
Thanks for sharing and lifting this board as you always do.
Perfect example!
There is blood pouring from one's ass, and then there are the ponderings of Mystic Cat. I guess the blood pouring from one's ass isn't that bad after all.
Like I said, everything is relative.
While you would have to call RI a miss, I do not think you can call Falzon one. He started as a Frosh and while injuries have slowed him down, he still got on the floor and has a couple years left
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You can't call a guy who was injured for 2 season a miss.
"Incomplete" is the only logical grade.
I don't have a problem with an incomplete but calling him a miss I do. Even injured he was able to start his frosh year.
I was referring to Rap. He didn't play his first year and only a few games his second.
Rap is now no longer on the team and contributed nothing while he was here. That is an absolute and total whiff.
Well, let's see:
1. Different AD who hired him.
2. Different and elevated expectations after the school's first NCAA trip.
3. The general trend towards firing coaches sooner rather than later.
4. The Vassar episode.
Man, I remember twenty years ago, back when Brody Deren and David Newman and the rest were going to turn things around, that you were a mellow dude who made nice contributions to the board.
Compared to other programs, one of NU's few positive differentiators that has value is a proven patience with coaches. If you kill that just because "everybody else does it," you're devaluing a job even more that doesn't exactly have people lining up.
Oh that's right, Collins should have known that he had an injury and not recruited him, right?
Two shoulder surgeries in 2 years and you think he is the same player? Please.
To which school did he transfer?
You've got examples of shoulder surgeries curtailing or ending basketball careers, do you? The bottom line is that if he was a good prospect, good programs would've wanted his services when he left. It wasn't microfracture surgery or anything like that.
It was a rhetorical. I will follow him at Colgate and I hope he lights it up, as I do with all the transfers who leave. Isaiah Brown will excel at his next stop.
What about the ones who stay? Will you cheer as hard for them?
Oh, come now, you were a Carmody defender for much of that time. I think maybe a more accurate phrase would've been, "NU basketball will wear a man down."
For the first few seasons, perhaps. It's my nature to be supportive and optimistic about things.
I was definitely not a Carmody fan by the end of it. By the 13th year, I hated having him as our coach with a vengeance and especially the mediocrity he set as a standard for the program. And I was never the same after that suffering.
I will likely never recover.
Yes, I see the distinction you are making. From a placing blame point of view, this one is perhaps not a total strike against the coaching staff. But from purely a did we get a guy who is an important part of this team now point of view, then this was a total strikeout.
Things sure can change quickly in 45 days.
Falzon basically started due to Law's injury and missing the entire season (otherwise, the 2 starting forwards would have been Law and Lumpkin).
While each case is different, VV managed to come back from a recurring shoulder injury and have an impressive career.
It almost sounds like you were in jail. "ECat, for your crimes of prior fan message board transgressions, I sentence you to 13 years of Bill Carmody..."
Wow you could have sure fooled most of us, with that " this is no criticism of Collins" and "will be the beginning of the end" pronouncements.
The timing of the injuries has a lot to do with it. Basically he was lost for the season before it even started. Perhaps he could have come back if he stayed. But other guys have gotten ahead of him and he has been recruited over so it was going to be tough. VV injuries came at a better time and not sure they were as serious. In addition,BC was never able to recruit over VV while CC has been able to recruit over Rap. He looked at the numbers and felt moving on was his best alternative. Cannot blame the coaching staff or him.
13 years of Bill Carmody is something I would not wish on Ohio State. It's not even the 13 years that hurts you the most. It's the PTSD that haunts you for years to come. I will never appreciate a back door cut ever again, every time we give up a bucket, I'll be wondering whether we were playing the 1-3-1 or what, and if we lose a recruit, I wonder if CCC was there for his official visit.
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