Canyon Barry ?????

[GOUNUII]

Don't know whether this has been previously reported here or not, but 5th year transfer from College of Charleston Canyon Berry reports he is considering a transfer to NU for the 2016-17 season. A 6-6 2G, Canyon averaged almost 20 PPG last year before going down with a shoulder injury. Reports he is also considering places like Kansas and Louisville. But wants to study engineering. Thus the interest in Cal and NU as well.

Do we even have an available schollie with the Vasser situation? We could use an experienced 2G with the departure of Demps and not much depth/experience/productivity among our returning guards.

GOUNUII

 

[IGNORE2]

None, unless there is another 'transfer' on the horizon. In that vein, I could see Taphorn calling it quits due to chronic foot problems. I think, in that case, his scholarship would continue but not count against the cap. I could see Ash not feeling the love (or vice versa) and exiting stage left. I know Lindsey has seen time in the doghouse, but absent something from the coaches, I cannot see him leaving - though he does have a redshirt available. If anyone else left, I would be shocked.

As much as I like Taphorn the student athlete, it wouldn't break my heart to see him retire. I can't see his mobility or defense improving next year so I think he will struggle to see the floor - especially if RI gets any PT. With Tap at the 3 or 4, he falls behind Law, Falzon, Lumpkin, and probably Lindsey, Skelly and RI. Seventh man for 80 minutes - yikes.

Canyon looks like a nice get. Boy, CCC will need to work some magic to make this happen. Bring in Canyon and one might say it evens out for the missing schollie.

 

[rwhitney014]

None, unless there is another 'transfer' on the horizon. In that vein, I could see Taphorn calling it quits due to chronic foot problems. I think, in that case, his scholarship would continue but not count against the cap. I could see Ash not feeling the love (or vice versa) and exiting stage left. I know Lindsey has seen time in the doghouse, but absent something from the coaches, I cannot see him leaving - though he does have a redshirt available. If anyone else left, I would be shocked.

As much as I like Taphorn the student athlete, it wouldn't break my heart to see him retire. I can't see his mobility or defense improving next year so I think he will struggle to see the floor - especially if RI gets any PT. With Tap at the 3 or 4, he falls behind Law, Falzon, Lumpkin, and probably Lindsey, Skelly and RI. Seventh man for 80 minutes - yikes.

Canyon looks like a nice get. Boy, CCC will need to work some magic to make this happen. Bring in Canyon and one might say it evens out for the missing schollie.

Or it suggests the staff knows Vassar is moving on, such that they can make the spot available to a grad transfer...

 

[IGNORE2]

Or it suggests the staff knows Vassar is moving on, such that they can make the spot available to a grad transfer...

That would be great. I will proceed to hold my breath, care to join me?

 

[Kelly_32]

I suppose there's a remote chance that Barry could come as a walk on. Doubt money is an issue. Just read a little about him and sounds like he's a terrific student.

I wonder if Doug Collins and Rick Barry are friends.....

 

[NJCat]

I suppose there's a remote chance that Barry could come as a walk on. Doubt money is an issue. Just read a little about him and sounds like he's a terrific student.

I wonder if Doug Collins and Rick Barry are friends.....

Does he shoot his FTs underhanded?

 

[Kelly_32]

Does he shoot his FTs underhanded?

Yes, and shot 87% last season.

 

[NJCat]

Yes, and shot 87% last season.

Cool. Wonder why more guys don't try it? Pride?

 

[Kelly_32]

Cool. Wonder why more guys don't try it? Pride?

I would imagine that is a big part of it.

 

[NJCat]

I would imagine that is a big part of it.

If you're a bad FT shooter (<60%?) you ain't got much to be proud of.....

 

[rwhitney014]

That would be great. I will proceed to hold my breath, care to join me?

Nah, I prefer breathing, but be my guest.

 

[NURoseBowl]

I would imagine that is a big part of it.

Pride - or lack thereof - comes from your percentage, not your technique.

 

[nycat33]

Cool. Wonder why more guys don't try it? Pride?

Barry tried to convince Shaq to try to shoot underhanded but theLakers wouldn't hire Barry. Eventually, Shaq said he would rather shoot a negative percentage before he shot like underhanded.

 

[Deeringfish]

Pride - or lack thereof - comes from your percentage, not your technique.

I think shooting underhanded is an awesome, in your face, style when a guy can really nail them at a high % rate. It says, "I'm better than you when I'm just screwing around. Foul me and pay, Buddy."

I'm surprised more coaches don't require it. How many games would we have won last year if we shot 80% from the free throw line? If it's two games, we likely get into the NIT this year, 3 and we might be in the NCAA depending on who we beat.

 

[spartcat]

If you think underhand free throws are even close to a guarantee of success, forget it. For every Rick Barry there was a Wilt Chamberlain, or an Ollie from Hoosiers (except for the last foul of course). http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_stats.html

 

[Hungry Jack]

Why would you name your kid "Canyon?" If I am going to go the geographical route, why not "Escarpment" or "Aquifer" or "Karst?"

 

[EvanstonCat]

Why would you name your kid "Canyon?" If I am going to go the geographical route, why not "Escarpment" or "Aquifer" or "Karst?"

Why not?

Why name your kid Dick? Or Fannie?

 

[docrugby1]

If you think underhand free throws are even close to a guarantee of success, forget it. For every Rick Barry there was a Wilt Chamberlain, or an Ollie from Hoosiers (except for the last foul of course). http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_stats.html

Anyone remember Dave Gambee of the old Syracuse Nationals. He was almost as good as Rick Barry with the underhanded free throws

 

[shakes3858]

I'm surprised more coaches don't require it. How many games would we have won last year if we shot 80% from the free throw line? If it's two games, we likely get into the NIT this year, 3 and we might be in the NCAA depending on who we beat.

If you're guaranteed .8 points per free throw attempt, then I'd say coaches would do it, but I don't believe the percentage would even be close to 80%. Some people would be good at it, some would be bad at it. When you work on free throws the normal way, that should translate to regular shooting. Shooting free throws underhand won't, so you may as well have the guy practice over hand.

 

[IdahoAlum]

Anyone remember Dave Gambee of the old Syracuse Nationals. He was almost as good as Rick Barry with the underhanded free throws

A true name from the past. Played on the 1967 Philly team that finally broke Boston's stranglehold on the NBA title.

"....Gambee was a career .822 free throw shooter in the NBA, and years ago Sports Illustrated described his distinctive style thusly, saying Gambee 'bent low with one leg stretched forward, like a ballerina curtseying, then released his unorthodox underhand shot with wicked reverse english.'

" All because Slats Gill insisted his players shoot free throws underhand. 'Took me three years in college to learn how to do it,' said Gambee. 'I think I shot 50 or 60 percent from the line my first year in college but once I figured it out, I thought, ‘well, this is going to work.’ … when I got done playing pro ball there were only three guys shooting underhand.’’

 

[loyolacat]

SI did an article on the science of shooting a basketball and underhanded was the clear winner when it came to physics, but hey SI is a sports magazine so here is an article from a science mag Discover, http://discovermagazine.com/2008/the-body/07-physics-proves-it-everyone-should-shoot-granny-style. I think we still believe in science,right?

 

[ubercat]

Anyone remember Dave Gambee of the old Syracuse Nationals. He was almost as good as Rick Barry with the underhanded free throws

I remember watching him shoot free throws; but there were others using that style, too. The one truly unique approach was that of Hal Greer, the Philadelphia guard who played in the '60s. He would shoot his free throw as a jump shot. The theory being that when he was at the line, he was practicing his jump shot; and when shooting his jumper in the flow of the game, he was practicing his free throws.

 

[Deeringfish]

If you're guaranteed .8 points per free throw attempt, then I'd say coaches would do it, but I don't believe the percentage would even be close to 80%. Some people would be good at it, some would be bad at it. When you work on free throws the normal way, that should translate to regular shooting. Shooting free throws underhand won't, so you may as well have the guy practice over hand.

That is a good point Shakes. Either way it takes practice.

 

[docrugby1]

I remember watching him shoot free throws; but there were others using that style, too. The one truly unique approach was that of Hal Greer, the Philadelphia guard who played in the '60s. He would shoot his free throw as a jump shot. The theory being that when he was at the line, he was practicing his jump shot; and when shooting his jumper in the flow of the game, he was practicing his free throws.

The NBA featured Philly v Boston almost every Sunday in the 60's during my tenure @NU. Russell v Chamberlain with the Celtics usually prevailing, although I think The Philly team with Chamberlain, Luke Jackson, Chet Walker, Hal Greer, Wally Jones, Billy Cunningham was the best of the era. Philly then traded Chamberlain and Cunningham was injured and they disappeared as the Laker's ascended with Chamberlain, West and Baylor

 

[ubercat]

The NBA featured Philly v Boston almost every Sunday in the 60's during my tenure @NU. Russell v Chamberlain with the Celtics usually prevailing, although I think The Philly team with Chamberlain, Luke Jackson, Chet Walker, Hal Greer, Wally Jones, Billy Cunningham was the best of the era. Philly then traded Chamberlain and Cunningham was injured and they disappeared as the Laker's ascended with Chamberlain, West and Baylor

Those were great match-ups. That was around the time when Chamberlain was perfecting his turn-around, fade-away bank shot. No one could touch it.

Oh, and Mindy Rudolph was usually one of the refs. IIRC, he once got mugged by a Celtics fan, on court, after a disputed call.

 

[IdahoAlum]

Mindy's gyrations were so fun to watch -- especially the dancing charge call.

 

[NJCat]

Mindy's gyrations were so fun to watch -- especially the dancing charge call.

That would be Mendy.....

 

[ubercat]

That would be Mendy.....

You are correct, sir. (I must have had Mork on the brain)

 

[elgatoloco]

I remember watching him shoot free throws; but there were others using that style, too. The one truly unique approach was that of Hal Greer, the Philadelphia guard who played in the '60s. He would shoot his free throw as a jump shot. The theory being that when he was at the line, he was practicing his jump shot; and when shooting his jumper in the flow of the game, he was practicing his free throws.

My first high school coach, a member of both Indiana and Illinois halls of fame as a player and coach, wrote his PhD thesis on shooting a basketball. He had us practicing a straight arm style (similar to Shurna) holding the ball so that our wrist turned more naturally. The idea was to reduce the motion. He demonstrated making 9 out of 10 with his eyes closed. I'll tell you that it requires very little muscle memory to shoot that way. Even at my advanced age I can still make 80-90% of my free throws. If I were Andre Drummond I would do anything to stop being a liability and making some damn free throws during the game.

 

[pawildcat]

Barry tried to convince Shaq to try to shoot underhanded but theLakers wouldn't hire Barry. Eventually, Shaq said he would rather shoot a negative percentage before he shot like underhanded.

Well, there was a reason the "hack a Shaq" strategy was created.

 

[ToledoCat]

80% free throw % in olden times was great... they didn't have the flex rims breakway etc) like today. Rims were hard and there were few good rolls. Today you lay the ball on the cylinder it rolls around and goes in... yeah the touch might be good but old style there were few good rolls no matter how soft the shot. Like wooden tennis rackets - things were simpler but harder back then...