+/- for the Gutting of Georgia Tech

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

Player	Minutes	NU Pts	Ga Tech Pts	Raw +/-	Player +/-	Net +/-	Box +/-
Barnhizer	37	69	56	+13	+2.69	+5.29	10.75
Berry	36	67	58	+11	+3.25	+5.05	10.6
Martinelli	38	67	56	+11	+1.35	+3.55	9.1
Nicholson	22	39	26	+13	+0.51	+3.11	4.7
Hunger	17	32	32	+0	-1.79	-1.79	2.1
Mullins	20	22	32	-10	+0.04	-1.96	0.8
Leach	30	59	40	+19	-6.05	-2.25	2.35

Nobody really stood out in a solid effort by the Wildcats. Jalen Leach drew the short straw, going 5 of 16 from the floor with 2 assists, 2 turnovers and one rebound, while backcourt partner Ty Berry put in a good effort going 4 of 8 from the floor, with 3 of 5 from outside the arc, 3 steals, 2 assists, 5 rebounds and zero turnovers.

The starters (Nicholson/Martinelli/Barnhizer/Leach/Berry put together an impressive 35-17 advantage over 16 minutes. That includes getting outscored 6-2 from 3:11 to 0:59 in a game that was essentially over. In other words, at the 3:11 mark the Cats were ahead 69-52, with the starters showing a 33-11 ledger in 14 minutes of game time. It is difficult to do much better than that.

Justin Mullins missed a 3 pointer with 11 minutes to go, got subbed out and didn't re-enter the game until there was a minute left. We only scored 22 points in his 20 minutes of action.

Oh, we inadvertently ran "the other play" for Nicholson when Leach drove to his left down the lane, drew their big guy, threw up a shot off the backboard and Nicholson grabbed it and dunked it. Works every time!

I should mention that when Nicholson picked up his 3rd foul with 17:57 to play, the Cats were only winning 33-26. Hunger took Matt's place with the starters and NU went on a 10-2 run over the next 2:43 to take a 43-28 lead. Georgia Tech was never in the game after that.

 

[GatoLouco]

I thought Leach was hugely important in the first half. We were struggling offensively and he was the bright spot. Probably prevented us from going to the locker room down.

He also seems more comfortable with the physicality and speed of high major ball

 

[SDakaGordie]

I thought Leach was hugely important in the first half. We were struggling offensively and he was the bright spot. Probably prevented us from going to the locker room down.

He also seems more comfortable with the physicality and speed of high major ball

Agreed. And this sounds a lot like the first half against Illinois.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

I thought Leach was hugely important in the first half. We were struggling offensively and he was the bright spot. Probably prevented us from going to the locker room down.

He also seems more comfortable with the physicality and speed of high major ball

Martinelli had a strong first 10 minutes, then a bad 10 minutes.
Barnhizer made up for 6 of 18 shooting with 10 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 3 blocks and just one turnover.
But Leach was +19, so the team certainly played better when he was on the court.

 

[No Chores]

To rate Hunger over Leach in any capacity is patently ridiculous. If the team did well at any time he was in the game, it was because of the other players on the floor.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

To rate Hunger over Leach in any capacity is patently ridiculous. If the team did well at any time he was in the game, it was because of the other players on the floor.

Well some people say similar things about Nicholson. The Player +/- is purely a representation of each player's box score contribution, applied to the game as it plays out, assigning credit for points we score or blame for empty trips, credit for getting possession, blame for losing it.

Here's a comparison...

Hunger was 1 of 4 with 1 offensive rebound, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover.
Leach was 5 of 16, 4 for 4 on free throws, 1 defensive rebound, 2 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, 2 turnovers.

The ratings expect players to score 8 points on every 9 shots. Anything worse than that is hurting the team. Anything better is helping.
Leach took 16 shots, scored 12 points on those shots. Thats a net shooting performance of -1.8 points. He gets 2 points for going 4 of 4 from the free throw line. His 2 turnovers completely offset his 2 assists and 1 steal. So he's putting very little into the box score.

Its hard to see how that box score would be considered good when compared to teammates.

 

[No Chores]

Well some people say similar things about Nicholson. The Player +/- is purely a representation of each player's box score contribution, applied to the game as it plays out, assigning credit for points we score or blame for empty trips, credit for getting possession, blame for losing it.

Here's a comparison...

Hunger was 1 of 4 with 1 offensive rebound, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover.
Leach was 5 of 16, 4 for 4 on free throws, 1 defensive rebound, 2 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, 2 turnovers.

The ratings expect players to score 8 points on every 9 shots. Anything worse than that is hurting the team. Anything better is helping.
Leach took 16 shots, scored 12 points on those shots. Thats a net shooting performance of -1.8 points. He gets 2 points for going 4 of 4 from the free throw line. His 2 turnovers completely offset his 2 assists and 1 steal. So he's putting very little into the box score.

Its hard to see how that box score would be considered good when compared to teammates.

What your rating system doesn't take into account is defense, where Hunger is terrible and Nicholson is excellent. Hunger is also not good at jumping, rebounding, and scoring under the basket. Just from eyeballing the game it is quite obvious to anyone with half a brain that Leach is far more valuable to the team than Hunger.

 

[SDakaGordie]

Well some people say similar things about Nicholson. The Player +/- is purely a representation of each player's box score contribution, applied to the game as it plays out, assigning credit for points we score or blame for empty trips, credit for getting possession, blame for losing it.

Here's a comparison...

Hunger was 1 of 4 with 1 offensive rebound, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover.
Leach was 5 of 16, 4 for 4 on free throws, 1 defensive rebound, 2 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, 2 turnovers.

The ratings expect players to score 8 points on every 9 shots. Anything worse than that is hurting the team. Anything better is helping.
Leach took 16 shots, scored 12 points on those shots. Thats a net shooting performance of -1.8 points. He gets 2 points for going 4 of 4 from the free throw line. His 2 turnovers completely offset his 2 assists and 1 steal. So he's putting very little into the box score.

It’s hard to see how that box score would be considered good when compared to teammates.

If we highlight that the people who touch the ball the least are the most efficient, then we would easily wrongly conclude that we should give them the ball more often. This is why Hunger can look good compared to a point guard like Leach. He has the ball in his hands a ton; imagine how bad things would be for Hunger if he handled it as much as Leach.

Also - Defense matters as equally as
Offense and Hunger was visibly terrible on Defense.

 

[No Chores]

If we highlight that the people who touch the ball the least are the most efficient, then we would easily wrongly conclude that we should give them the ball more often. This is why Hunger can look good compared to a point guard like Leach. He has the ball in his hands a ton; imagine how bad things would be for Hunger if he handled it as much as Leach.

Also - Defense matters as equally as
Offense and Hunger was visibly terrible on Defense.

Exactly!