Franklin is an imbecile
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How about Cryst who lost? 38-31.
I would rather have Fitz and his 6-6 record who did not make it to the B10 championship.
Well, maybe. All I can go by is what I'm seeing in Pa. where he seems to interact well with other people, does his share of community outreach and seems to be doing a fairly decent job of coaching the team.
But not the best of the B1G. Penn State is a horrible institution. State College is a shit hole.
Only lost by 39 points to Michigan too - so you could really go either way with such a close, competitive game.
As a long time Pennsyvania resident I follow PSU recruiting pretty closely. Based on the recruits that Franklin has brought in, I'm not all that impressed with his results this year. Four star recruits have been pretty much the norm for Franklin. Up until this year, I couldn't understand why his teams were so mediocre. I think McSorley is a terrific QB. Clearly superior to any of Wisconsin's QBs. Of course if he didn't work out, he's backed up by multiple highly regarded recruits. He is also throwing to a wide array of highly recruited receivers. While most teams PSU plays have receivers that are either big or fast, their receivers are big and fast. Even when Hackenberg was the QB, PSU's receivers did really well catching 50-50 long balls simply based on superior size and athleticism. Anyway although Wisconsin lost, given what each staff was working with, I'm much more impressed by Wisconsin's coaching staff's performance than with the fact Franklin's players didn't underperform for a change.
Notre Dame has had highly rated recruits, too. What was their record this year? A 10-2 season with a B1G championship is impressive in any year.
And a school where the administration and alumni honored a man who knew about child rape and chose to say nothing, for years.
Sure is something to be proud of, in my eye.
You have no idea what I am talking about, Internet tough guy. Go back to your own board Biff.
A couple points for clarification:
O'Brien had limited scholarships. He used them on skill players. He was always going to be a short-timer looking towards the NFL, so the lines were going to be some other coach's issue.
Franklin has recruited well, but has taken a long-term approach and redshirted his better recruits. He's actually ahead of schedule and should start to have some young line talent ready for next season.
This was the first season with a full allotment of scholarships, which means the first season in a long time PSU has scholarship athletes on special teams rather than walk-ons.
Franklin has handled this playoff situation with complete class. Seems to be a very capable coach and genuine guy. I don't understand the haters.
Because they have no idea what they talk about. Franklin inherited 7 scholarship O lineman. 2 are converted D lineman. 3 O Tackles are out as well as a starting lbr. At one point, against Michigan, 4 starting lbr's were out. Yeah Franklin sucks. No idea why players and parents love him. 4 star talent is just now in its 2nd year. No losing seasons in 13 years, but yeah, they suck. Tighten up your chinstraps, because Pitt's running game is no joke. Hopefully It's a good game.
and completely blew out an iowa team that beat michigan the next week.........and i'm completely fine with the rose bowl. 18 starters return next year and although its early ,psu is number one in 247's 2018 composite recruiting rankings with 5 four stars and 1 five star out of 6 verbals. Also just flipped a 4star DT from florida in the 17 class. PSU isn't going away anytime soon.
No one here cares about PSU or Franklin. The reason a lot of people around here don't like PSU is because some of your fan base continues to defend that the program acted appropriately in the Sandusky ordeal. The punishment was a joke in everyone's eyes but PSU's.
Franklin has plenty of Vandy players he recruited that don't love him. Why would they when spews his BS that he has 2 daughters and 85 sons? Wonder how those 85 sons felt when he left for your school and tried to take any decent recruit with him famously claiming they aren't Vanderbilts recruits they are my recruits. Basically stuck it up the hind end ( no pun intended) of those 85 sons. How did the last 2 seasons turn out for those 85 sons he cares so much about? He is a classic film flam man that cares about himself and he has any sustained success he'll leave PSU to and you all will see the light.
The point is, it's possible to have good recruits and flop. Winning a championship in one of the toughest leagues in the country and going 11-2 is impressive, no matter what caliber of recruits you're bringing in. Alabama is the only unbeaten team in a power conference this season, and part of that is due to the fact that the SEC is weaker than usual this year.
Blah blah blah. You have no clue of what you speak, or what occurred. You probably believed rolling stone as well. Yeah, like coaches never leave and bring recruits. You and your fake outrage. Get over yourself.
"Rolling Stone"? As in comparing corroborated criminal acts, cover ups, $ millions in settlements and judgements, and ongoing apologist behavior from a major institution and its fan base, to the actions of a single rogue reporter trying to make hay? Wow. You really can't fix stupid.
Oh, and by the way, USC is going to curb-stomp PSU on New Year's Day. The first time that I'll ever be cheering on the Trojans in any way, shape, or form.
We're just anti covering up child rape for 30+ years. I couldn't give a rats ass about franklin and obrie's recruiting strategy.
We know what occurred in the locker rooms at Penn State between Sandusky and his young victims while Joe Paterno looked the other way. Disgusting.
To the PSU posters- Franklin is not liked on this board because he backed out of a game with NU while coaching Vandy. He claimed the game was dropped because the SEC had gone to 9 games but he replaced us with UMass, who was playing their first D1 game. Northwestern received only a few months notice of the "back out" and was forced to scrounge around for an opponent. NU fans believe he backed out because we had beaten Vandy the previous 2 years. NU tries to schedule schools with similar academic profiles in their pre-season games -Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, BC etc so losing Vandy that year affected our schedule and left a bad taste in our opinion of Franklin
Many on this board believe that the FB program "protected" and may have actually facilitated Sandusky's crimes.There were rumors of his crimes that pre-dated the actual scandal. His firing indicated PSU was aware of his problems but he was still allowed access to children through camps etc.
Many feel the punishment of PSU was inadequate relative to the crimes committed especially when it seems Sandusky's problems were known to Coach Paterno and the administration
Regardless of the above PSU had a remarkable turn around and deserves credit for this year's achievement as does Coach Franklin. Unfortunately there are many on this board who will not forget or forgive for the above problems
Many on this board believe that the FB program "protected" and may have actually facilitated Sandusky's crimes.There were rumors of his crimes that pre-dated the actual scandal. His firing indicated PSU was aware of his problems but he was still allowed access to children through camps etc.
Many feel the punishment of PSU was inadequate relative to the crimes committed especially when it seems Sandusky's problems were known to Coach Paterno and the administration
Regardless of the above PSU had a remarkable turn around and deserves credit for this year's achievement as does Coach Franklin. Unfortunately there are many on this board who will not forget or forgive for the above problems
Jeez man. Get your fat football head out of your arse. The football program was a vehicle for Sandusky's child rape while Joe Pa sat in his office, afraid to do anything. And when it all blows up, PSU fans act like they are the ones victimized by all this. Just take 5 minutes of your time and try put yourself in the shoes of one of Sandusky's victims. You might see things a bit differently.
Enjoy your bowl game.
B.S.
There was substantially more evidence and concern than just a rumor that Sandusky was molesting boys in the shower and locker room, and for many years. It is pretty clear that Paterno knew something was wrong, yet chose to ignore what was going on for too long.
Are you one of the assistant coaches on the team reporting an eyewitness account? If you are, then I am on the phone right now. I thought the world of Joe Paterno throughout his entire career. But that decision ruined his legacy and it should have.
Your boy James had 4 of his "sons" drag an unconscious woman into an apartment and proceeded to rape her and provide video to show their manly conquest. What does James do, tries to call her? Why, because she was one of the pretty girls that Vandy had escort recruits around campus. Hey, but as James says every school does that. James then warns the team not to do this and claims to have seen the video. Fact is, he never saw the video. Hey, but what is a lie when you are trying to make a point.
Yes, lots of coaches change jobs, most are upfront within their team. What most don't do is try everything in their power to Re-recruit the class at the 11th hour because they are his recruits not the schools. Those "sons" are no longer a part of his family, so it's ok to F&$* them by attempting to destroy a class of incoming recruits that his former "sons" would need to be competitive. A bunch of you Ped State are feeling your oats so you come here to gloat and justify every transgression in the name of winning.
I won't even explain to you the lack of action with Sandusky when people outside the program knew something wasn't right. If outside the program knew do you think inside knew? Duh.
Keep justifying it and making excuses. My belief is people will get off of your sorry ass if you own up to the situation and stop erecting statues of people that could have stopped it. Well at least your Assistant coaches have hot wives.
Yes, lots of coaches change jobs, most are upfront within their team. What most don't do is try everything in their power to Re-recruit the class at the 11th hour because they are his recruits not the schools. Those "sons" are no longer a part of his family, so it's ok to F&$* them by attempting to destroy a class of incoming recruits that his former "sons" would need to be competitive. A bunch of you Ped State are feeling your oats so you come here to gloat and justify every transgression in the name of winning.
I won't even explain to you the lack of action with Sandusky when people outside the program knew something wasn't right. If outside the program knew do you think inside knew? Duh.
Keep justifying it and making excuses. My belief is people will get off of your sorry ass if you own up to the situation and stop erecting statues of people that could have stopped it. Well at least your Assistant coaches have hot wives.
For someone with a lot of practice trolling, you kind of suck at it.
I do not want to prolong this dialogue but PSU fired Sandusky (Coach Paterno"s closest friend) but he was allowed continued access to children for years after his firing despite the ongoing rumors. Why was a successful coordinator fired ?
I'm not trying to jump into this whole thing, but Sandusky was not Paterno's "closest friend." It's well-documented that Paterno actually didn't like him.
That actually makes it even worse. He looked the other way solely because he was a good football coach.
This guy is a troll on Pitt boards all the time. O'Brien didnt have limited scholarships, it is well noted only 5 less ships were used, they loop-holed recruits into the previous year. The fact is kids didnt want to go to the school due to the horrific press.
I doubt he was looking much at Sandusky at all, which might have been part of the problem.
It is similarly well-documented that Paterno's negative feelings toward Sandusky were only because JoePa was upset that Sandusky wouldn't let him join in on the horseplay.
Some random thoughts on the Penn State child rape scandal:
- This was a major failure of the institution's culture. That is, the institution had a culture wherein child rape was an acceptable cost of doing business in order to achieve football success.
- While several individuals (Spanier, Paterno, a few more) were held accountable by losing their jobs, and another was held accountable by losing his easy access to victims (Jerry the four-decade rapist), the institution that benefited (this includes both the football program, and the university at large) from a decades-long culture of child rape has hardly been held accountable at all.
- Remember, this is an institution of higher learning that prioritized Jerry Sandusky's twisted hunger for something over the safety of hundreds of children entrusted to the school and its facilities. The school chose publicity and cash money over the safety of children.
- In a properly functioning institution, McQueary's revelations would have stopped it immediately. Penn State was not a properly functioning institution.
- Spotlight is a wonderful film, and should be mandatory viewing for Penn State faculty members and incoming freshmen.
- Seriously, this is probably the most awful thing I can think of at a major university. And it happened because football is really important. It's a great American failure.
- The global standing of the university has been built on many things, the most significant of which is the publicity and cash and donations that have come to it as a result of its football program. That football program was built on many things, but one of the most important things was a coach who was allowed to use his affiliation with the school and his own cunning to lure and rape children for four decades. A few lost scholarships and rescinded fines are a case where the punishment has been far less severe than the crime.
- Penn State fans who deny any of the above are delusional.
- If I were a Penn State alum, I would probably still be a fan. I like Kerry and Ki-Jana and Kyle and all those dudes. But I hope that I wouldn't be delusional.
- The university - not just the football program - has not paid. The university - not just the football program - should lose federal and state funding for having allowed this.
- James Franklin didn't cause this. But he's a coward and will continue to lose to Pat Fitzgerald.
- I wish Penn State were no longer in the Big Ten, even though I enjoy the guaranteed win when they're on the schedule.
- Pitt fans seem nice, though I guess the ACC makes it tough for them to join us as a replacement.
- This was a major failure of the institution's culture. That is, the institution had a culture wherein child rape was an acceptable cost of doing business in order to achieve football success.
- While several individuals (Spanier, Paterno, a few more) were held accountable by losing their jobs, and another was held accountable by losing his easy access to victims (Jerry the four-decade rapist), the institution that benefited (this includes both the football program, and the university at large) from a decades-long culture of child rape has hardly been held accountable at all.
- Remember, this is an institution of higher learning that prioritized Jerry Sandusky's twisted hunger for something over the safety of hundreds of children entrusted to the school and its facilities. The school chose publicity and cash money over the safety of children.
- In a properly functioning institution, McQueary's revelations would have stopped it immediately. Penn State was not a properly functioning institution.
- Spotlight is a wonderful film, and should be mandatory viewing for Penn State faculty members and incoming freshmen.
- Seriously, this is probably the most awful thing I can think of at a major university. And it happened because football is really important. It's a great American failure.
- The global standing of the university has been built on many things, the most significant of which is the publicity and cash and donations that have come to it as a result of its football program. That football program was built on many things, but one of the most important things was a coach who was allowed to use his affiliation with the school and his own cunning to lure and rape children for four decades. A few lost scholarships and rescinded fines are a case where the punishment has been far less severe than the crime.
- Penn State fans who deny any of the above are delusional.
- If I were a Penn State alum, I would probably still be a fan. I like Kerry and Ki-Jana and Kyle and all those dudes. But I hope that I wouldn't be delusional.
- The university - not just the football program - has not paid. The university - not just the football program - should lose federal and state funding for having allowed this.
- James Franklin didn't cause this. But he's a coward and will continue to lose to Pat Fitzgerald.
- I wish Penn State were no longer in the Big Ten, even though I enjoy the guaranteed win when they're on the schedule.
- Pitt fans seem nice, though I guess the ACC makes it tough for them to join us as a replacement.
Hey @zwicker -
Do you think all the rape was a bad thing? Like, does it embarrass you or sadden you or anything?
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