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Being injured most of his time probably kept Jango separated from the team. He has never said anything bad about anyone he played with.
I can see that. Still lots of interesting information in this thread. Wonder how long it will take Loretta to wrap it up.
I think Schill is more of a gigantic dope. He, like Gagg (sic) was an emergency replacement, albeit for a different reason. The difference is, he ran a large university with a top level athletic dept, so he has no "experience" excuse. More like lack of talent. He made two colossal-bad decisions, one right after the other. Meanwhile, Gagg * was hiding in the janitor closet.
*Someone above inadvertently spelled it Gagg, which is how I will spell it going forward.
I've been spelling it Gagg from the start, on purpose, because it fits. Same as for Shill.
I see the regular Ignore button, but I can’t seem to find the Ignore2 button.
Will keep searching. 😀
@towercat, I want to dig into something. You talked about people 'opting out'. What I'd like to find out, was it easier for certain people to opt out? You needn't name names, of course, but if I were a 5'9" 175lb walk-on receiver, would I have had a harder time opting out than a 300lb OLine guy. You can't know what you don't know, but I'm wondering how much of this was bullying. We've all seen the references to "A Few Good Men".
It’s not San Quentin. Even the 5’9 walk on isn’t getting shanked if he puts up a fight. Seriously doubt the perpetrators want a victim to come to practice the next day looking like he went through the meat grinder.
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It's not fake news. There are always multiple perspectives to a story. All we got initially was the plaintiff's full court press.
You should read Dennis Plaskett's book, "Buffaloed" on the Barnett/CU football scandal and gain a new perspective on Fake News and cancel culture. It is the best example that I'm aware of.
I can vouch for that. That info was leaked to me once through the team manager, injured player grapevine.
It's common vernacular among Civil War reenactors, and among my church choir as well.
I like HungryJack's "Ggarg" myself. It sounds phlegmier and more dysfunctional.
Thank you for sharing your insights into the program.
I think one disappointment is that there evidently was a lack of transparency going on with things like “running” and “car wash”. As you indicated you can see how it might have become ingrained in the program to the extent that it was not viewed as hazing but outsiders may have had a totally different view. You indicated even some players rebuked these “pranks”. Don’t you think a failure of the program was a lack of transparency- that “outsiders” like family or others attached to the university would view these practices differently from those embedding them? There was a lot of public trust in Fitz to run a clean program that was above board. Even the “optional” naked pull-ups should have been a red flag that something was off in the program.
I think one disappointment is that there evidently was a lack of transparency going on with things like “running” and “car wash”. As you indicated you can see how it might have become ingrained in the program to the extent that it was not viewed as hazing but outsiders may have had a totally different view. You indicated even some players rebuked these “pranks”. Don’t you think a failure of the program was a lack of transparency- that “outsiders” like family or others attached to the university would view these practices differently from those embedding them? There was a lot of public trust in Fitz to run a clean program that was above board. Even the “optional” naked pull-ups should have been a red flag that something was off in the program.
Thanks Kiara for bringing your insider perspective to the board. I look forward to listening to your podcast. Your comments have been very enlightening and nuanced. Great job.
Nice shoutout from Rittenberg. I don’t know if that translates to listeners.
Or they just don't want to get involved. Called into court etc...
True. And ESPN had another meaningless open letter from an additional 86 former players. Problem still remains that many of these former players maybe weren’t hazing ringleaders, but were peripheral participants in the hazing. Unless they come straight out and make definitive statements, they are all suspect as part of the problem.
Why should they get involved? Especially, when the public will claim you are tone deaf.
Defend the program and university we all love? Be part of the solution and not the problem? Clear their names? Anyone who won’t swear they never took part in the abuse must be partially guilty. Clean house. Expose the truth. Scorch the earth before rebuilding. I want Schill and Gragg gone too, but hiding behind the open group letters is kinda hypocritical. Fitz is capable of defending or not defending himself. At some point the perps need called out if there is ever going to be a meaningful recovery for the team, Athletic dept, admin, alumni, and fanbase.
What do you think runsmas and runsgiving consisted of?
If whats and buts were candy and nuts then we’d all have a merry Christmas.
Horseplay…not sexual assault. Not criminal activity. Was it wrong? Did it cross the line? Debatable. Should it be discontinued in this day and age? Yes. Does this type of stuff happen in virtually every high school and college football lockeroom? Absolutely.
I don’t know - because the program is purely innocent and PF was the greatest mentor, leader, teacher, etc that put them on the path to their successes and he is under attack? Didn’t you read the message from Hank?
Does this great deity PF have no loyal warriors? Damn shame - I mean, it was such a clean program.
Then a series of sworn statements shouldn’t be a problem, right? Nothing but standing up for the truth. I’ll cheap in for the court reporters. Let’s line up the players!
Where are all the other athletes and coaches from all these programs coming out to say it happens everywhere - nothing to see here. Where is the industry defense?
A Christmastime and Thanksgiving dozen of Runzas? That honestly came to mind.
That is the power of the Runza.
Thanks for sharing. Listened to your podcast. Putting the team aside for a moment, its great to hear from you young people. I'm an old dude and we may not have a lot of things in common, but as an NU alum, its really nice to get a sense for some of the amazing young folks in our NU family, like you two. As a parent I find it downright heartwarming. Really appreciate your wisdom, your sense of humor, your self awareness, and your initiative. I wish I had had any one of those qualities at your age!
Ok, I still don’t know why these players are expected to take the mantle of defending the program. I eish the same as you, all facts to come out for better or worse.
I chipped in. I even "ran" FloridAlum.
It's locker room goofiness, so long as no one is coerced.
If you remember, the so-called evidence was so overwhelming against CU and Barnett. The feminazis and media had tallied up to eight unsubstantiated rapes by CU football players. There was no evidence to support any of them, with extensive DNA testing turning up negative.
Clearly the administration can’t properly set one foot in front of the other without stumbling. Fitz has been dethroned. No defense from either is worth much at this point.
The current and former players and their hazing actions are what’s in question and only they are capable of self-policing and clearing the air. They all need to look into the mirror and figure out what matters to them. The ones left can restore the program with whoever the new coaches are.
And if Fitz is exonerated and wants to come back, I’m sure there’s a role for him somewhere in the program.
Bustin’ out that old chestnut and roasting it on an open fire, eh? My great grandma loved that one.
