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Is Notre Dame afraid of a full BIG10 schedule?

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I wonder if ND is worried about joining the BIG10. They currently get to plan out their opponents, carefully picking a few tough games each year, some service acadamies, Stanford, various other marginal talent team. Do they want a week in and week out matchup with Michigan, OSU, Iowa, Penn State, Wisconsin? They risk looking like a normal / good BIG10 but not having a clear path to a BCS playoff without a BIG10 Championship? My guess is joining the BIG10 is the last thing they want to do. Squeeze NBC as long as they can, keep their outsider status, and let their nationwide fan base get them better bowl games than they deserve.
 
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I wonder if ND is worried about joining the BIG10. They currently get to plan out their opponents, carefully picking a few tough games each year, some service acadamies, Stanford, various other marginal talent team. Do they want a week in and week out matchup with Michigan, OSU, Iowa, Penn State, Wisconsin?
FWIW, last year ND played just 3 non-Power 5 opponents: Cincy, Toledo and Navy. In addition to Wisconsin and Perdue, they faced FSU, VaTech, UNC, UVa and GaTech from the ACC, and USC and Stanford from the Pac-12. I don't think they are quaking at the thought of playing Illinois, NU, Indiana and Rutgers etc. on a rotational basis.
 
FWIW, last year ND played just 3 non-Power 5 opponents: Cincy, Toledo and Navy. In addition to Wisconsin and Perdue, they faced FSU, VaTech, UNC, UVa and GaTech from the ACC, and USC and Stanford from the Pac-12. I don't think they are quaking at the thought of playing Illinois, NU, Indiana and Rutgers etc. on a rotational basis.
None of those are Ohio State or Michigan (or even Penn State)
 
Notre Dame people are absolutely convinced of their (partially true) narrative that they play the toughest schedule in the country, so I don't think this is it. All the reporting indicates their only hesitation has been their belief in their special snowflake independent status.
 
Notre Dame also has tried to stack its schedule with home games and ‘Shamrock Series’ neutral site games. They’ve got six home games, a neutral site game against BYU in Vegas (aired on NBC), and five road games this year. At times in the past decade (I *think*) they’ve gotten to only four true road games.

In 2018, when they stole the game in Evanston, they had six home games, and two neutral site games (Navy in San Diego, Syracuse in Yankee Stadium).

Joining a conference loses some of that revenue-maximizing flexibility, and some of their ‘specialness’.
 
Notre Dame also has tried to stack its schedule with home games and ‘Shamrock Series’ neutral site games. They’ve got six home games, a neutral site game against BYU in Vegas (aired on NBC), and five road games this year. At times in the past decade (I *think*) they’ve gotten to only four true road games.

In 2018, when they stole the game in Evanston, they had six home games, and two neutral site games (Navy in San Diego, Syracuse in Yankee Stadium).

Joining a conference loses some of that revenue-maximizing flexibility, and some of their ‘specialness’.
Perceived* specialness that isn’t appreciated by those under forty, I’d say.
 
Their opener at Ohio State will be interesting. Note that they play Marshall right after that. One thing they can do with the schedule flexibility they have is schedule an easier game after a tough one (much like the SEC does with only 8 conference games so you see Alabama playing Mercer in November between two tough opponents.)
 
Notre Dame people are absolutely convinced of their (partially true) narrative that they play the toughest schedule in the country, so I don't think this is it. All the reporting indicates their only hesitation has been their belief in their special snowflake independent status.
If Northwestern had special snowflake status, would you be so eager to give it up?
 
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If I were in Notre Dame's position I wouldn't do anything different - I'd cherish the status of being "special" and cling onto it for as long as humanly possible. They are the big fish in the pond that constantly eludes the Big Ten's hook. They are right to want to avoid being typecast as a regional/midwest Catholic school with the likes of Iowa and Purdue. And they play their role perfectly (and so do their pompous fans).

And the lure of ND and the baggage is what makes college football (and realignment) so much fun to talk about endlessly. I just hope to live long enough to see the unraveling of superconferences, but that's a whole other conversation.
 
Why does Norte Dame take up so much room on this board?
They live rent-free in our heads, it seems.

As one of the few here with an overall favorable opinion of Notre Dame, I never understood it. Most were so certain that Notre Dame wouldn't honor their agreement to play at Ryan Field, but guess what?
 
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Why does Norte Dame take up so much room on this board?
Usually it’s people who claim Notre Dame is irrelevant, so irrelevant that they just can't stop talking about them.

I hereby formally apologize because I always take the bait. You have my pledge to never do so again.
 
I wonder if ND is worried about joining the BIG10. They currently get to plan out their opponents, carefully picking a few tough games each year, some service acadamies, Stanford, various other marginal talent team. Do they want a week in and week out matchup with Michigan, OSU, Iowa, Penn State, Wisconsin? They risk looking like a normal / good BIG10 but not having a clear path to a BCS playoff without a BIG10 Championship? My guess is joining the BIG10 is the last thing they want to do. Squeeze NBC as long as they can, keep their outsider status, and let their nationwide fan base get them better bowl games than they deserve.
I’m behind here but this is absolutely the case. The current line is -14 for them against OSU. I have some friends who are ND football alums and they do not want to play them every year.

They have bowl tie breaker priority in the acc and the clearest easiest path the playoff possible. Should that change they will consider the B10 but they don’t need the money and have made the playoffs a bunch in this current situation.
 
Usually it’s people who claim Notre Dame is irrelevant, so irrelevant that they just can't stop talking about them.

I hereby formally apologize because I always take the bait. You have my pledge to never do so again.
Till the next time
 
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Why does the B1G allow ND to play hockey or Johns Hopkins to play lacrosse.. I think lacrosse needs 5 teams to qualify as a league for automatic tournament bid- how about hockey ?
 
Why does the B1G allow ND to play hockey or Johns Hopkins to play lacrosse.. I think lacrosse needs 5 teams to qualify as a league for automatic tournament bid- how about hockey ?
I imagine those are mutually beneficial arrangements.
 
Why does the B1G allow ND to play hockey or Johns Hopkins to play lacrosse.. I think lacrosse needs 5 teams to qualify as a league for automatic tournament bid- how about hockey ?
I would love to see the Big Ten get at least a couple more schools to play hockey (Northwestern and maybe Purdue), and to see some good coverage on BTN (on the nights there isn't any good basketball).
 
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Notre Dame also has tried to stack its schedule with home games and ‘Shamrock Series’ neutral site games. They’ve got six home games, a neutral site game against BYU in Vegas (aired on NBC), and five road games this year. At times in the past decade (I *think*) they’ve gotten to only four true road games.

In 2018, when they stole the game in Evanston, they had six home games, and two neutral site games (Navy in San Diego, Syracuse in Yankee Stadium).

Joining a conference loses some of that revenue-maximizing flexibility, and some of their ‘specialness’.
There are very few top Big 10 teams that don't try to get seven home games when they can arrange it. Penn State does it all the time.
 
My understanding is that ND's desire to remain independent was three-fold - one it made them special to be different from other power programs in that respect and two they did not want to be confined regionally, as they recruit nationally and their fans are dispersed nationally. Third, they had important rivalry games that they wanted to keep - the most important being USC, Navy, and Stanford. The ACC was something they were willing to affiliate as it allowed them to cycle through a limited number of ACC games (of which a few teams are also traditional rivals in BC, Pitt, Miami, and Georgia Tech) and still play their traditional rivals plus a few other national games. The B1G arguably had more important rivalries in MSU, Michigan and Purdue (and arguably NU and PSU as well) but we would have required them to join as full members.

With USC, UCLA, and possibly Stanford joining the B1G, we would solve 2/3 of those issues - the national reach along with keeping most of their rivalries intact (including probably making the line up even more traditional in that sense by switching from the ACC rivalries to the B1G rivalries). Its also for these reasons the chances that ND ends up with the SEC instead is basically between zero and nil.

My guess is that ND will end up joining the B1G, but they will hold out as long as they can, given the first reason, which is also flavored with a bit of emotional responsiveness to the years of Fielding Yost doing what he could to keep ND out of the B1G when ND actually had wanted in.
 
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There are very few top Big 10 teams that don't try to get seven home games when they can arrange it. Penn State does it all the time.
So does NU. 7 home games is not the issue. It is that in addition they also force other games at neutral sites meaning they have only about 3-4 true road games
 
My understanding is that ND's desire to remain independent was three-fold - one it made them special to be different from other power programs in that respect and two they did not want to be confined regionally, as they recruit nationally and their fans are dispersed nationally. Third, they had important rivalry games that they wanted to keep - the most important being USC, Navy, and Stanford. The ACC was something they were willing to affiliate as it allowed them to cycle through a limited number of ACC games (of which a few teams are also traditional rivals in BC, Pitt, Miami, and Georgia Tech) and still play their traditional rivals plus a few other national games. The B1G arguably had more important rivalries in MSU, Michigan and Purdue (and arguably NU and PSU as well) but we would have required them to join as full members.

With USC, UCLA, and possibly Stanford joining the B1G, we would solve 2/3 of those issues - the national reach along with keeping most of their rivalries intact (including probably making the line up even more traditional in that sense by switching from the ACC rivalries to the B1G rivalries). Its also for these reasons the chances that ND ends up with the SEC instead is basically between zero and nil.

My guess is that ND will end up joining the B1G, but they will hold out as long as they can, given the first reason, which is also flavored with a bit of emotional responsiveness to the years of Fielding Yost doing what he could to keep ND out of the B1G when ND actually had wanted in.
The 2024 playoff TV deal contract also provides an opportunity to crank up the pressure on them as well. With the Big Ten and SEC holding nearly all the cards in the sport, they can dictate a lot more terms of who receives playoff spots. Notre Dame is already seeing their pie shrink without a title game to play in, as hurt them last year.
 
My guess is that ND will end up joining the B1G, but they will hold out as long as they can, given the first reason, which is also flavored with a bit of emotional responsiveness to the years of Fielding Yost doing what he could to keep ND out of the B1G when ND actually had wanted in.
Good heavens Fielding Yost has been dead for years and this all happened about 100 years ago. Time to move on.
 
Why does the B1G allow ND to play hockey or Johns Hopkins to play lacrosse.. I think lacrosse needs 5 teams to qualify as a league for automatic tournament bid- how about hockey ?
Arizona State plays BIG 10 Hockey as well.
 
Arizona State started a hockey program a few years ago and play as an independent.
 
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