I'll be less subtle: I was not discussing any rules or interpretations, I was piling on what HJ posted trying to be humorous.
Leach Flagrant II: The number of ways we get jobbed is mind-blowing
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Yeah sorry, I shouldn't be so humorless. I'm just really triggered by all the bad and badly timed reffing working against us.
Have you ever watched European soccer. They get knocked down and lie on the ground writhing in the most pitiful display of fake pain ever imagined. That was CCC's point, it was a thespian performance that cost us a game. And the dumber than shit B1G Director of Officials says you can't judge intent? The dude faked it and the whistles bought it. Pretty bush league. 7'1" 270 pounds grieviously assaulted by a 6'1" 165 NU PG. BS!
It is in item d)
d) Any contact by the offending player to the groin area of an opponent which is not clearly accidental;
Meaning that it has to be something that is clearly not accidental to rise to the level of Flagrant 2
All they need to do is swap out the "not clearly accidental" for "not clearly intentional" and make that a flagrant 1 and we have a practical solution. If it's deemed clearly intentional, then it's a flagrant 2 and away you go.
Rebel, I couldn’t agree more. As I previosly noted, Goldin threw his hands to his face and pretended to have been hit there by Fitzsimmons toward the end of the first half. The refs reviewed that call (the video clearly showed the contact was below the head area and Goldin’s gesture). It is inexplicable that the refs did not assess Goldin a technical unless they just don’t know the rules. Here is how the NCAA described the “flopping” technical when it was added a few years ago:
“Committee members defined flopping as an unsporting act that occurs when a player attempts to influence an official's judgment by creating an appearance that a foul has been committed when there has been incidental or no contact.
When evaluating potential flopping situations, officials will be asked to judge whether the player's physical reaction to the contact with another player is consistent with what would have been expected, given the force of the contact. When the reaction is not consistent, the player is most likely exaggerating the nature of the contact in an attempt to gain an advantage, and flopping has occurred.”
A technical could probably have been called on Goldin on the Leach contact.
The only way the refs could judge if Vlad was faking would be to knee him in the balls and see how he reacted - then compare the two videos.
Robbie Hummel was doing the Purdue game last night and he was critical of the number of replay reviews in that game...
To paraphrase...
"You can't be reviewing every play. It takes too long and detracts from the game. Anybody who watched the last minute of the Michigan/Northwestern game knows this. I would much prefer a system of coach's challenges like the NBA uses. The NBA has it right."
Robbie Hummel was doing the Purdue game last night and he was critical of the number of replay reviews in that game...
To paraphrase...
"You can't be reviewing every play. It takes too long and detracts from the game. Anybody who watched the last minute of the Michigan/Northwestern game knows this. I would much prefer a system of coach's challenges like the NBA uses. The NBA has it right."
How about this scenario:
After watching the video with the first half hands to the face and giving him a pass, the refs see him hopping around after the Leach contact and T him up. If I was the ref (and I reffed a lot of games in my younger days) I would have been tempted.
Except decisions about a flagrant foul are reviewed at the judgement of the refs in the NBA too I'm pretty sure. It wouldn't change this situation.
I'm really just talking about the constant reviews. It is detracting from the game.
I'm being convinced that this is true more often than expected for paid professionals.
Oh yeah and in the nba the reviews are very quick. The college review process is insanely long. Also not sure if anyone was watching last night but in the UConn butler game a ball blatantly went off of the UConn player, they reviewed it, and didn’t think it went off his leg. So even with the reviews, they often mess it up. There has to be better refs than these.
Oh, the one in the first half.... ok... I agree. There was a similar review in the second half (or maybe overtime) in crunch time where it was clearly off Butler. I thought you were referring to that.
