You must be a Michigan fan too since they draw 100,000+ compared to NU’s 35,000.
New arena seating = financial and emotional investment
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I'm a life-long Cubs fan. I don't think the new Comiskey Park is "great", but it's a much, much nicer baseball-viewing experience than Wrigley, IMO.
Yes, there are a lot of Cubs and baseball fans at Wrigley, but there are also a ton of young kids that are there not for the baseball. The people going to Sox park are serious about their baseball.
I have for years been fascinated with what's happened to attendance at Sox games. Was it Reinsdorf crashing the season in response to the strike when the Sox were in first place? I know there's a huge Sox population in the area, perhaps larger than the Cubs. But they don't attend games.
I chuckle every time I hear that Reinsdorf is the best owner in the city.
How many HORRIBLE decisions has he made to kill attendance and the long term value of the poor Sox.
* Roosevelt Rd. Stadium
* Pay TV
* Harry Caray
* Tony LaRussa
* The strike
Another example of increasing short term profits at the expense of long term value.
Thankfully, in this case the apple did fall far from the tree.
Guess there are not many "serious" baseball people who are sox fans. if as you say that there's a "huge" sox population, they sure hide it well, as they're attendance is near the bottom for MLB. Guess you can enjoy the taxpayer funded ballpark viewing but more people enjoy Wrigley Field and the surrounding neighborhood, since the numbers don't lie.
Well would love to see 100,000 attend a NU game and would even be happy with 48,000.
What's going on with Cubs attendance is not in any way analogous to Sox attendance. Wrigley is surrounded by middle to upper middle class households. A huge population of 21 - 35 year olds in Lincoln Park, Lake View, Uptown, etc. who can afford the ticket. Wrigley draws 2 million even when the Cubs suck.
Sox Park has lower middle and lower income households for miles, so can't count on the millennials showing up for a night out. But a huge number of fans who grew up on the South side now live in the Western, Southwestern and South suburbs. These populations haven't gone to Sox Park in numbers one can reasonably expect in years. Sec 112 has a good list. It's also a really crappy neighborhood. I could see the neighborhood being potentially the biggest factor (apologies to my pals from Bridgeport).
I would bet that 90% of the Cubs attendance does not come from lake View area. The rest is just about a lot of hollow excuses. How does the neighborhood around the UC strike you.?
It's much better than it was, but you make your point. Can't compare the two though because of those six championships. Prior to MJ, you could shoot a canon in the old Stadium and not hit anyone. It's been full since, even in years when they suck.
No one denies the fact. But just admit that it leaves you talking out of both sides of your mouth as it relates to two different fandoms you have.
Willy, let’s review you NU complaints and overlap against your Cubs comments:
1) Cost. Long time NU STH’s being priced out by high rollers! Well, attending a Cubs game is one of the most expensive propositions within MLB. Has your 30 year status bought you any benefit outside of seat selection?
2) Parking. Good Lord if you are bitching about being on the golf course lot, how do you feel paying $50 a game to be as close in your beloved Wrigleyville? Are there any potholes on those streets and alleys? Must not be at those prices.
3) Staduim size. Is Wrigley still the smallest stadium I’m MLB? Can we pack in 50,000 a game in Wrigley or are we in the MAC of stadium sizes? You constant harping on WR capacity is inconsistent with your love affair with Wrigley.
Taxpayer park? Love it. Keep bitching about your politians when the ownership did exactly what countless businesses do every year. Somehow you missed complaining about Mt. Carmel recruiting players and Notre Dame being corrupt or our OL coach in this thread.
At least be consistent with your persistent whining.
White Sox is the cheapest ticket in town. They have a great younger team and will be on the rise but not sure if a white sox ST is really worth it this year. When the Indians in town I can usually pick up a sox ticket behind the dugout for $25
Wrigley Field is the 19th-largest stadium in MLB by capacity. Only two MLB stadiums hold 50,000+. (Technically three, if Oakland took the tarps off the seats.)
I'm 108, row 3. I wouldn't mind a partner to do all the even games. Sorta how I do my courtside.
I'll try answering your absurd questions. (1) Cost It has allowed to witness a Cubs World series win, from first row , aisle seats. (2) I pay zero to park, either from a lot near LSD or take public transportation. BTW, tailgating is not a baseball thing, even though the sox let folks do so and not have to watch the games. (3) has been noted Wrigley Field is far from being the smallest ballpark in the majors, with a capacity o over 41,000. and they have consistently added seats throughout the recent years. (4) Taxpayer Park, yes it's exactly that, initially paid for and by the states taxpayers, with the sox paying 0 or very little back yearly. Won't bother with your Mt.Carmel or ND crap simply because it has nothing to do with this thread. No whining here, just stating facts.
1) Good logic Willy. Glad you enjoyed your win. How were your Seats for the 1907 win? No idea what your point is. Keep seats for 100 years and be rewarded with front row at high prices?
2) I guess you proclaim tailgating is not appropriate for baseball. Let it be written, let it be said. You must be losing you vision coming in on the cab, bus or trains. Those establishments on Clark street are called Bars. Dress it up any way you want, but it is still partying before and after the game. Very expensive tailgating, something you seem to be adverse to. I’ll look for that free lot near LSD next time I am in the neighborhood.
3) You got me there. Keep adding tickets and raising the prices. Maybe you can remove some obstructed views while at it.
4) another Willy sore spot but with a clever moniker “taxpayer park”. Cute. Maybe you can get naming rights.
Your ridiculous statements around stadium capacity has never been supported by any logic. Just hot takes, like MAC stadium, and the woe is me, on being bullied out of seats after 50 plus loyal years. Complain, complain, complain.
Bet they all found that free parking lot near LSD and use public transportation to get to within steps of Wrigley too.
Well you have now taken up lots of space while saying nothing that related to this thread. Happy now? Bye, bye. Oh and the CUBS just signed Yu Darvish.
Maybe you need to go back and re-read this thread. You managed to get your two biggest complaints in your very first post on the thread. The West lot and then seating capacity.
So, I will leave you with this Willy. You complain a lot. You complain about the same things over and over and over. A least a dozen posters have called you out on your incredible appetite to say the same thing over and over. Show me your first positive post, there has to be one somewhere. So keep playing the poor victim card abused by the power brokers at NU. Good Night.
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