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WTF are you talking about? I’ve been labeled a Pollyanna by some on this board. I don’t trash recruits. This a completely false and asinine comment. It shows just how out of touch you really are.
How about in their exit interviews upon transferring or graduating? No one ever mentioned to Fitz or any other staff member? There’s no concern of reprisals when you’re headed out the door. Why didn’t Long, Yates, Short or any of the money grab gang speak up then?
Excellent questions! I guess IGNORE2's current position is that there's all sorts of stuff in those exit interviews that will come out in discovery and that's why Fitz hasn't filed a lawsuit yet. ($1000 bet's still on the table!) If there's anything so blatant in all those exit interviews, why couldn't the third party investigation conclude that Fitz knew?
Again, I will wonder out loud if you would apply your standard to everyone in this country or is PF the only one that must confess while providing 4K video evidence committing the crime before you would consider convicting on a lesser charge as his juror.
Or maybe these girls have axes to grind, as does Richardson, long, and everyone else including Lou’s source. I mean, outside a potential codefendant in Hank, the list of high profile formers players publicly coming to PFs defense is impressive. Even more, than number of unequivocal letters stating of never happened or Fitz could not have known is damn undeniable.
So NU puts guys in the league. Not as many as believed they would play pro when they started college. This also isn’t Bama where frosh come in highly heralded.
So you come in and have a ‘choice.’ You all can play coy. But those that have strapped it on in a team sport know it’s important to be accepted. You have seen it play out as you played up from childhood.
You can buck the system. You probably heard about the outcasts in recruiting trips. And teammates can tank your career. I suspect they can also make life miserable on the team.
You are surrounded by people, the older guys. Many start, have Q ratings, perhaps league potential. You have your ‘choice’ - it could change your whole trajectory.
But go ahead and play the cute, coy, naive stance. Choice.
Having done three years of D1 rugby and started 2.5 - I saw and endured things that were a bit outside my comfort level, but I wasn’t bucking that system. I liked starting and getting moved up in the line.
As a frat guy, I endured things I questioned but wasn’t going to be cast outside.
I also chose my participation in things as an elder that I still am comfortable with today and walked away from events I didn’t want to participate in - as an elder.
Point is - the ‘alpha’ males come into an ‘alpha’ herd knowing people are cast out and have to make a bunch of ‘choices’ along the way. Ask Jango.
And yet they wouldn't tell me if they knew at the time that "running" consisted of dry-humping. Very simple yes or no question.
Where are all the high profile graduates publicly backing PF? I can argue in the unanswered questions too!
I will bet he does not win a judgement v NU. Statute of limitations or resolution of litigation will be our pay day. You in?
Again, all the testimonials, all the absence of testimonials…yet, if picked as a juror on any of the famous criminal or potential criminal cases out there against a party you oppose, would you apply the same standards?
If it’s your son, grandson, daughter, granddaughter - you holding the line? People have had ample time to speak. Including PF. Lawyers shut up clients only because they can do harm by making statements against their own interest. If PF is doe like innocent, what’s to protect?
Let’s attack those that speak out. Let’s not judge those that remain silent. Great philosophy - what could possibly go wrong…
In the podcast, she said “running *is* dry humping”. There was a qualifier along the lines of “it sounds silly but…”
If I were on a jury, I would want to hear more evidence, not all these non-answers. I need more to convict.
Who actually got dry humped? Which player, by whom, under what circumstances? Did Carl get run or did he witness what he believed to be the abuse? Why didn’t these players choose NOT to participate? Position groups are typically very tight, would the DL guys allow the fat OL to abuse one of their own? Why did so many parents come out in support of Fitz? Why did so many families sent multiple sons through the program with such widespread abuses occurring? Plenty of unanswered questions I can argue too Bob.
Did they know it at the time? That's what they would not answer. They said to ask them anything, so I asked.
We ALL know what it's supposed to mean now.
She said running is (was) dry humping and she knew about it from when she was a freshman.
It was pretty unequivocal.
She knew that something called running happened as a freshman. She knows (present) that running is dry humping.
I asked directly if she knew at the time that running is dry humping. A simple yes would do in response. She would not do that, but she pointed me to the Urban Dictionary. That didn't answer my question.
Why be so evasive about a yes or no question? Why go so far to imply something but not just come out and say it? What's the disconnect here?
I don’t know. There were parts of my comments she didn’t answer. Maybe you could start a Patreon for the podcast and become the first subscriber.
“If he knew, he failed.
If he didn’t know, he failed.”
Do you disagree?
Yes, but it's a matter of degree. If all of Richardson's allegations in the Daily are true and Fitz knew, he absolutely failed. If Fitz knew about some (but not all) of it but didn't consider it hazing, some disciplinary action is called for to reeducate him on modern sensibilities.
If he did not know, then sure, he failed. But if it's a blind spot, blind spots can be fixed. With all the reporting mechanisms outlined by Hank, along with anecdotes here from Division 1 athletes saying that it is not standard practice for coaches to patrol the locker rooms, I don't believe Fitz was grossly negligent.
If players DID utilize the reporting mechanisms and Fitz didn't believe or downplayed the feedback, then that's a bigger failing that demands more action.
The former President needs you to serve. The first son too. Oh, that guy in Idaho wishes you would move west.
The only non-answers I hear are the refusal to acknowledge the points that I have made. Oh, and perhaps the people that have not spoke up like PF and all the high profile former players.
And where are all these parents now? Why haven’t they come out and said that they spoke to their sons and been told none of this ever happened? The parent on this board said his son opted out but also was not well liked. Sounds like great option.
Read their quote here - I posted it again. She literally said she knew by the first year. Non player, female and she knew more than PF, allegedly.
Knew what? Guys were doing naked pull ups? He probably did. Did he know that it was forced or just locker room “shenanigans”?
"Naked pull ups"
If a guy was doing them on his own, with nobody being forced to watch him or engage with him somehow, that is nothing. Might as well accuse somebody of taking nasty dumps and stinking up the locker room...
Guys are Naked with each other every day. Laugh at the first 5 and move on because it is boring as hell.
