Tenure is a rare commodity in coaching, and apparently NU is one of the few schools who use it.........
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Tenure is a rare commodity in coaching, and apparently NU is one of the few schools who use it.........
Why not? Stanford does it. NU has been successful in football with high standards in the past.
Keep academic standards for football where they are. No dimbulbs!
Wait, who does Northwestern play this week?
Iowa is better known for tenure than any in the Big Ten over past 37 years with Fry/Ferentz.
Pat Fitzgerald is one link in your resurgence. Be careful what you wish. Iowa's basketball program learned that the hard way.
At the end of 2011, Iowa did clean house some. It continued a little after 2012. Northwestern will likely review at the end of season.
Mid-season changes are a mixed bag.
Nebraska is a good team. Nice win by Duke at Notre Dame. Western Michigan is a good program.
Illinois State and North Dakota State, respectively, picked on two B1G teams this season, as well.
That's football. Any given Saturday.
The Northwestern-Nebraska series has been a good one.
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Iowa is better known for tenure than any in the Big Ten over past 37 years with Fry/Ferentz.
Pat Fitzgerald is one link in your resurgence. Be careful what you wish. Iowa's basketball program learned that the hard way.
At the end of 2011, Iowa did clean house some. It continued a little after 2012. Northwestern will likely review at the end of season.
Mid-season changes are a mixed bag.
Nebraska is a good team. Nice win by Duke at Notre Dame. Western Michigan is a good program.
Illinois State and North Dakota State, respectively, picked on two B1G teams this season, as well.
That's football. Any given Saturday.
The Northwestern-Nebraska series has been a good one.
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Once were down 10 we are never going to win. We don't have the horsepower or the defense to produce
I understand all that. But we can use BT $ to outclass a lot of other schools outside the BT and take their talented assistants.
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I used the Big Ten as a basis of comparison, but NU is behind the curve in terms of coach salaries with the majority of Power Five schools, too.
Stanford plays games with its admissions. It seems that they can get anybody in when they really want the kid.
When was NU "successful" in football? I'll let you go ahead and define that since you brought it up.
Ok, in the last six years, what has Springer produced. Same for Cushing. Holding a position due to loyalty doesn't equal competence.
If NU held a townhall meeting for fans like the Sox do, I would show and share my opinions, name and face. What's he going to do? Assault me? Thing is, NU has really shown much interest in the average fans opinion. Oh, they will market the hell out of Chicagos Big Ten Team and call regularly for donations, but we are expected to simply shut up, pay and drink the koolaid.
Well, so much for Jim Phillips as AD of the Millenium, then....
Anybody who has run or operated literally ANYTHING knows that if you don't pay a competitive wage, you get what's left after all the competent people are gone - rejects, losers and incompetents. And any competent AD would never allow that to happen with his flagship business ...
Oh so you would show your face if you had a mob of like minded idiots behind you? Sounds like you need a lynching party on your side before you would develop a little bit of courage
In fairness to them what great recruits have they received? Maybe you would like them better if Jehu Chesson and Dan Voltz had come here.
Exactly and of course we all know that NU is a step from the poorhouse. They could start increasing coaches salaries by sending ALL of the BTN take directly to the Atlethic Departmant.
Show and dare that mob to do anything. Big believer in the criminal justice system and the rights created under the First Amendment. You make the townhall happen and I will show up and speak unabashedly.
In fairness, what great recruits have they contributed? OR better yet, what recruits have they developed? Seems like we have produced quite a few polished players from two star steals - back when we developed players.
Well, I probably would. Part of the job is recruiting you know.
The entirety of the job is results.
When Western Michigan can utterly dominate our OL with recruits no one in the Power 5 wanted, well, what does that tell you?
Huh? You seem unaware that the WR coach is NOT in charge of recruiting HS WR. The assistants are in charge of geographical regions.
So you subscribe to the belief that our WR coach should be producing NFL talent from nothing. We have given him not much to work with until this year.
Again, Cush is not responsible for recruiting HS OL. He is in charge of his region which may include some OL. Maybe you should call for Mac's firing or Bates' or Brown's for not landing a 4 star OL.
I think Cush should be fired but let's get the facts straight.
And how has that gang of red-ass fans shouting down the front office and ownership worked for the white sox?
"Seems". Show me evidence that they have dipped low for certain athletes like Duke has.
I consider success to be competing for and winning B10 division and conference championships. Those years where we've finished with 8 wins or more (5 wins or more in conference) I consider to be successful ones, though the goal is to win the B10. Barnett had two very successful seasons, Walker had 2000 and perhaps 2005. FItz: 2008, 2009, 2012, 2015
I am super aware that when we blame the coaches, some says its the recruiter and they don't recruit them. Well, I say we used to develop talent - we don't anymore. We now seemingly recruit some talent - they don't execute. I say excuses are BS. Let's do a wholesale clean sweep - resolves all the excuses. Odd that lesser programs are able to recruit, develop and execute. I want a staff like that. If we can keep Hank, Heff, even Fitz, fine. If they will only serve as more excuses - dump them all as the body of production over the last 5 years sucks - with one lucky streak last year that depended mostly on the D.
How many 2 stars or less WR and OL have we developed into high quality B1G talent before Cushing and Springer took their respective roles? Anybody want to start popping off names?
I know we have brought in some well regarded OL in the last five years.
And one playoff appearance in over a decade since, and the perfectly justified fan complaints about the front office in that time haven't accomplished anything.
Fallacious thinking again. Recruiting rankings from seven or more years ago don't equate to today. They award more three stars now so some 2-star guys would have been 3s now (and some 3s would have been 2s then). Northwestern is higher profile now thanks to Lord Fitz so we have higher net ratings due to confirmation bias by raters, suggesting again that some previous 2 stars would be 3s under today's standards.
Secondly, who are these well regarded OL that you mention? Name them if you're so bright.
And nice weak walk back for not even knowing how recruiting works at NU. You never let a good fact get in your way.
The sox don't have any fans. At least they don't seem able to find Taxpayers Park in order to voice any opinions.
Well, in the past 11 years, no B1G championship. And the Sox fans send messages with their pocketbooks. While I didn't like either of the Adam signings, the Sox have not sat on their thumbs. Time to let Ventura go too. Bet you the Sox are active yet again this offseason - it's all the fan of a program in decline can ask.
Nice parade of weak excuses. Rankings are different now because soda pop used to cost a quarter back then...
Highly regarded OL on this years mess: Mertz, Olson, DePietro, Park, North, Coverdale - just for upperclassmen. In last year's 10 win season, that stellar line also had highly regarded recruits: Konopka, Mogus, Playko. I cannot remember who graduated when, but in recent years add Vitable, Jorgensen. And when exactly do you recall the OL as a strength of this team? These guys had 3 stars or better and offers from other major programs.
Coincidentally, can you cite the basis for your belief the star system is watered down? That is very depressing if true considering our only 2017 QB recruit is a two star. If they give that third star away like water, what are you saying about Marty and his potential? I'll hang up and listen.
Jeez...
How many times does this have to come up?
Yes, for the umpteenth time, folks here know that the position coaches are not responsible for recruiting their positions. Folks here know that recruiting is geography-based. Folks here ain't stupid (except for a couple of dimwits (ok, one dimwit and one keen wit gone haywire) I have on permanent ignore who never contribute anything about football anyway anymore - one of who used to be an awesome poster)
But, but, but... The position coach can be a major cause of a player wanting or not wanting to pursue NU.
"And your position coach will be Coach _____".
"Never hear of him. Has he coached in the League?"
"Nope"
"Won a Power conference title"?
"Nope"
"Sent anyone to the League I've ever heard of?"
"Nope"
"Any Power5 experience at all?"
"Only here"
"OK, how long?"
"Since 4 or 5 years before you had pubes."
"Ick. What is this Penn State? Anyway, where was he before NU?"
"University of La____..."
"Gosh, time sure flies, doesn't it? Thanks for the meeting".
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What about 2012 where we lost three games in the final 5 minutes combined, often in improbable fashion (tipped Hail Mary [UM], a half dozen dropped picks [UNL])?
Increase salaries for assistants, tweak the offensive staff if necessary, and fix the OL and we should be fine.
Yes, let's get our facts straight. Recruiting is a team effort. Someone has geo coverage for sure, but I would think the position coach is involved and has a bigger say on who to go after and who to offer.
Gocatsgo probably should verify. Though if NU doesn't do it this way and the Bama's and dOSU's do, that probably tells you something.
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Dude, this is largely a myth. Forget stars. The reality is that our recruits today largely aren't just getting offers from IU and Illinois in the B1G and a bunch of mid majors like we did as a rule and not an exception under the Walker regime. When did we get recruits before who had Bama offers or pull out kids out of Texas with Texas offers?
Little Engine That Could Syndrome. We have it. Were enthralled with it. It's a fallacy.
Give these coaches raises will solve the problem? Or increase the budget and find new talent that fits the new budget?
Back in the Walker era (e.g., Derricks, Howard) when we produced 1st round draft choices, an all-American OL, more than a half dozen NFL OL and DL, four NFL RB's, multiple NFL linebackers, multiple NFL corners, and WR's, and an NFL QB. Sheesh, we had teams with a fricking DOZEN future NFL players on the roster!!! Good heavens, when are you going to wake up and accept the fact that Fitz hasn't recruited as well as you seem to think he has??!! When were we hurting for WR's? When were we hurting for OL (perhaps after '05 a bit)? We never needed a RB! We had so many fricking NFL RB's that they transferred out of the program!
I don't really give a crap about star ratings, but when did three stars become "highly rated?"
Unless things have changed dramatically, no offers are made at NU without approval of the area recruiter, position coach, and head coach. Coordinator could be a "tiebreaker" if there's disagreement between the area recruiter and position coach. Either way, at least two assistants had to evaluate a player as an offer before he even gets to Fitz.
NU is actually pretty strict about its offers, requiring multiple evaluations and a full character/academic evaluation. Many programs will actually let an area recruiter make an offer without other opinions or much background research.
