Outraged by Tribune again

[jbird221]

>>once again, the pathetic rag called the Chicago Tribune has front page coverage of a team from north-central Indiana (who played a non-ranked schlub)

>>The Rag has once again failed to give top billing to our hometown Big 10 team's impressive win over a top-25 Pac 10 opponent

>>a pox on you, rag-ass Tribune

 

[chicagocatfan24]

There's a ton of ND fans in Chicago. Not near as many NU fans. Their readership wants ND news for the most part, not NU. It'd be dumb for them to have NU on the front page over ND

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

More fans from ND! No biggie

 

[BFDCat]

Who read newspapers any more?

 

[iskaboo]

Who read newspapers any more?

And if you do, why would you read the Trib?

 

[mesacat]

Out here in the Rockies our win did garner big type leads in this mornings sports section of Boulder Camera. On another note CU went west and got Hawaii'd Thurs nite.

 

[willycat]

There's a ton of ND fans in Chicago. Not near as many NU fans. Their readership wants ND news for the most part, not NU. It'd be dumb for them to have NU on the front page over ND

Those "subway" nd alums you reference don't attend many if any of their games and do not support the athletic program in any monetary way, other then possibly buying a low cost cap or t-shirt at Walmart. A newspaper and a reporter are supposed to cover the most relevant story for that day and not take advertising revenue into consideration. That's marketing job and obviously the NU win over a nationally ranked program was 'the story" over a nd win vs. a bad Texas team.

 

[hdhntr1]

Those "subway" nd alums you reference don't attend many if any of their games and do not support the athletic program in any monetary way, other then possibly buying a low cost cap or t-shirt at Walmart. A newspaper and a reporter are supposed to cover the most relevant story for that day and not take advertising revenue into consideration. That's marketing job and obviously the NU win over a nationally ranked program was 'the story" over a nd win vs. a bad Texas team.

That is why they fill their stadium every week.

 

[Cat In The Cradle]

There's a ton of ND fans in Chicago. Not near as many NU fans. Their readership wants ND news for the most part, not NU. It'd be dumb for them to have NU on the front page over ND[/QUOTE

ND fandom is just another product of popular culture, a part of which media outfits like the Tribune perpetuate with celebrated and exaggerated notions of Irish "tradition," as if three isolated periods - Rockne, Persergian (sp?), and Holtz - within 70 years can be so hallowed and sacrosanct.

 

[boonman1]

Simple, stop buying it, stop reading it !

 

[willycat]

That is why they fill their stadium every week.

Do you really think that those Southside Irish and Chicago Catholics fill that stadium. It's the big dollar donors and alums and the local Indiana folks who fill that stadium.

 

[Catreporter]

Those "subway" nd alums you reference don't attend many if any of their games and do not support the athletic program in any monetary way, other then possibly buying a low cost cap or t-shirt at Walmart. A newspaper and a reporter are supposed to cover the most relevant story for that day and not take advertising revenue into consideration. That's marketing job and obviously the NU win over a nationally ranked program was 'the story" over a nd win vs. a bad Texas team.

I couldn't believe how bad Texas was. It is a big name program and the game was later than NU's and ND has a huge Chicago following so I can't really disagree with the news judgment (although I would have led with the Cats, but I am biased!).

 

[StreamCat]

ND fandom is just another product of popular culture, a part of which media outfits like the Tribune perpetuate with celebrated and exaggerated notions of Irish "tradition," as if three isolated periods - Rockne, Persergian (sp?), and Holtz - within 70 years can be so hallowed and sacrosanct.

Uh, Leahy?

 

[StreamCat]

Do you really think that those Southside Irish and Chicago Catholics fill that stadium. It's the big dollar donors and alums and the local Indiana folks who fill that stadium.

Once again, Willy pontificating on a topic about which he knows nothing. My daughter was at yesterday's ND game. She went to a house party just off the ND campus - one house, mind you - that had, she estimates, forty Southside Irish Catholics who were going to the game.

I can also tell you you're wrong. The Indiana Tollway headed to Chicago shuts down after a game. I have been to countless Notre Dame games. Of course, if I had only been to three games, it would still be three more than Willy.

 

[Styre]

A newspaper and a reporter are supposed to cover the most relevant story for that day and not take advertising revenue into consideration.

You're also supposed to serve your readership. That's not the same as advertising revenue.

 

[NorCalCat]

I couldn't believe how bad Texas was.

It's amazing that with all the recruiting advantages Texas has that they could be that bad. This would be comparable to a pathetic Ohio State team -- and when's the last time OSU had a losing record?

 

[Fitz51]

Well, the south side Irish are total morons, so their allegiance is fitting.

 

[NJCat83588]

his would be comparable to a pathetic Ohio State team -- and when's the last time OSU had a losing record?

Surprisingly, 2011. The Luke Fickle year finished 6-7. Before that, 1988 (4-6-1), 1966 (4-5) and 1959 (3-5-1). Pretty easy to be an OSU fan.

 

[rpm912]

Do you really think that those Southside Irish and Chicago Catholics fill that stadium. It's the big dollar donors and alums and the local Indiana folks who fill that stadium.

You'd be wrong. Most of the alums in the area that I know, rarely go to games. Every ND home game, there are thousands of subway alums in attendance.

 

[docrugby1]

Well, the south side Irish are total morons, so their allegiance is fitting.

Fitz- Do you have any of your own teeth ? Do you speak to people in the real world like you do on this board ?

 

[villox]

Fitz- Do you have any of your own teeth ? Do you speak to people in the real world like you do on this board ?

I can vouch for the fact that yes, he does, on both counts.

 

[Fitz51]

I can vouch for the fact that yes, he does, on both counts.

Thank you! I am actually missing one tooth, but that was a root canal I haven't gotten the implant for yet.

A drunk Cubs fan took a swing at me once. I laughed my ass off that I could drive anyone to physical violence just with some sports ribbing. It was a fun day.

 

[Fitz51]

Fitz- Do you have any of your own teeth ?

Unlike the South Side Irish, yes, I do.

 

[rpm912]

Isn't Pat Fitzgerald basically South Side Irish?

 

[Styre]

Isn't Pat Fitzgerald basically South Side Irish?

Ask someone who's actually from the South Side if a guy from Orland Park that went to Carl Sandburg is a South Sider and see what they tell you.

 

[willycat]

Isn't Pat Fitzgerald basically South Side Irish?

No, he's a suburban kid.

 

[CoralSpringsCat]

Once again, Willy pontificating on a topic about which he knows nothing. My daughter was at yesterday's ND game. She went to a house party just off the ND campus - one house, mind you - that had, she estimates, forty Southside Irish Catholics who were going to the game.

I can also tell you you're wrong. The Indiana Tollway headed to Chicago shuts down after a game. I have been to countless Notre Dame games. Of course, if I had only been to three games, it would still be three more than Willy.

Pretty sure slick willy was in South Bend for last season's NU game...but your point is still taken.

 

[willycat]

Once again, Willy pontificating on a topic about which he knows nothing. My daughter was at yesterday's ND game. She went to a house party just off the ND campus - one house, mind you - that had, she estimates, forty Southside Irish Catholics who were going to the game.

I can also tell you you're wrong. The Indiana Tollway headed to Chicago shuts down after a game. I have been to countless Notre Dame games. Of course, if I had only been to three games, it would still be three more than Willy.

Really, you don't know me and your slam is not appreciated. I know you jump to defend TSISB every chance you get and wondering if your daughter asks all the people she meets if they are from Chicago's Southside and/or Catholic or does she just stereotype them? Warning to those going to house parties in South Bend... Be Careful.

 

[docrugby1]

Thank you! I am actually missing one tooth, but that was a root canal I haven't gotten the implant for yet.

A drunk Cubs fan took a swing at me once. I laughed my ass off that I could drive anyone to physical violence just with some sports ribbing. It was a fun day.

Do you pull the wings off flies ?

 

[Fitz51]

Do you pull the wings off flies ?

No. That would hurt them.

 

[Cardiacagoan]

And if you do, why would you read the Trib?

I get the trib because it's have the price of the times.

Whoever started this thread didn't realize that Thorson was a front page article on Friday.

 

[catsattackfor3]

Yes ND has a big following in Chicago, yes the big donor do donate to the school more than any Southside / Suburban Subway alums do...but Notre Dames season ticket base majority is from the Chicago area and that is a known fact. It is crazy but you can pinpoint this directly on NU's administrations de-emphasis on football back in the day for creating this. We are still in many peoples minds the little school that rose from the ashes. ND is still thought of as a National power even though they only show up as a national power about once a decade if that now.

 

[shakes3858]

Yes ND has a big following in Chicago, yes the big donor do donate to the school more than any Southside / Suburban Subway alums do...but Notre Dames season ticket base majority is from the Chicago area and that is a known fact. It is crazy but you can pinpoint this directly on NU's administrations de-emphasis on football back in the day for creating this. We are still in many peoples minds the little school that rose from the ashes. ND is still thought of as a National power even though they only show up as a national power about once a decade if that now.

You had NU, UChicago, and Notre Dame in the larger Chicago area. 1 made little commitment. 1 went all the way to D3. 1 focused on it. Lots of non-alumni view it as their team.


As for them being a national power, Brian Kelly is a really good coach and recruiter. They'll be pretty good while he's there. I see him getting more and more frustrated with academics and admissions.... I think the next time the NFL comes calling, he's gone. That'll be quick if Chip Kelly does well with his spread offense.

 

[NUCat320]

Yes ND has a big following in Chicago, yes the big donor do donate to the school more than any Southside / Suburban Subway alums do...but Notre Dames season ticket base majority is from the Chicago area and that is a known fact. It is crazy but you can pinpoint this directly on NU's administrations de-emphasis on football back in the day for creating this. We are still in many peoples minds the little school that rose from the ashes. ND is still thought of as a National power even though they only show up as a national power about once a decade if that now.

Objectively, even considering the Chicgao area audience, ND beating the hell out of Texas is a bigger story than NU sneaking by who-knows-if-they're-good Stanford. ND is considered a title contender, and Texas' multi-year fall and looking awful in year two of Charlie Strong is fascinating.

 

[Alaskawildkat]

Out here in the Rockies our win did garner big type leads in this mornings sports section of Boulder Camera. On another note CU went west and got Hawaii'd Thurs nite.

Likewise, NU got good press here in Alaska (where there was no mention beyond the box score listing for all teams, of Notre Dame.) The lead photo on the College Football page of the Sports Section was all NU!

 

[catsattackfor3]

You had NU, UChicago, and Notre Dame in the larger Chicago area. 1 made little commitment. 1 went all the way to D3. 1 focused on it. Lots of non-alumni view it as their team.


Plus to many people in Chicago who never went to college or went to a college without major football they latched on to Notre Dame as their college football team. Northwestern really could of been Chicago's team for all of those people but losing for years does nothing for that. I had many friends back in the day from my neighborhood who went to DePaul, Loyola, U of Chicago, Lewis University, North Central, etc. and we would make a yearly trip to an ND game during college since they were all fans. It was about 7 to 10 of us who did this for about 8 years running during and after college..we even made a trip to the big House, Spartan Stadium and Purdue to see their beloved Irish....I begged them to come to NU once while in school and they did and we got pasted by Sparty 76-14...tailgate was fun so was the throwing of marshmallows but .no one would come to a game again with me until the '95 Penn State game

 

[cattul]

Objectively, even considering the Chicgao area audience, ND beating the hell out of Texas is a bigger story than NU sneaking by who-knows-if-they're-good Stanford. ND is considered a title contender, and Texas' multi-year fall and looking awful in year two of Charlie Strong is fascinating.

I agree that the ND victory is the bigger story, but I don't agree that it should be.

Already, I see the national press whipping themselves up into another sickening frenzy. "Is it too soon to pencil the Irish in for the playoffs?" Giddiness abounds.

Notre Dame did to Texas what any bowl quality team should do to Texas. That's all. Will ND get more than six wins this year? Probably so. Are the Irish elite? Who knows? Beating up Texas falls well short of proof.

Texas is a hollow shell of a power program. But hollow shells still sell newspapers.

(I now place the full weight of my hopes in the hands of Stanford, who I expect to rebound and knock off Notre Dame. I'm perfectly happy to enjoy a transitive victory over the Irish, if that's the only available option.)

 

[hdhntr1]

Do you really think that those Southside Irish and Chicago Catholics fill that stadium. It's the big dollar donors and alums and the local Indiana folks who fill that stadium.

Does not matter who fills their stadium, it is filled and ours is not. And until it is, or we do something like 95, they will still get the headlines. (and maybe not even then) Fact is, ND is a top 10 team and they just demolished another traditional national (though not strong now) program. Like it or not, crushing Texas sounds better than getting by Stanford who is sort of a come lately "power" program and more regional than national.

That you expected something different in coverage than what we got suggests you really need a hobby.

 

[hdhntr1]

I agree that the ND victory is the bigger story, but I don't agree that it should be.

Already, I see the national press whipping themselves up into another sickening frenzy. "Is it too soon to pencil the Irish in for the playoffs?" Giddiness abounds.

Notre Dame did to Texas what any bowl quality team should do to Texas. That's all. Will ND get more than six wins this year? Probably so. Are the Irish elite? Who knows? Beating up Texas falls well short of proof.

Texas is a hollow shell of a power program. But hollow shells still sell newspapers.

(I now place the full weight of my hopes in the hands of Stanford, who I expect to rebound and knock off Notre Dame. I'm perfectly happy to enjoy a transitive victory over the Irish, if that's the only available option.)

It still works since we beat them last year.

 

[Sheffielder]

#1 - Objectively, I'd argue that ND deserved the coverage because they're ranked higher, closer to being in a conversation about a national title, and they beat a "traditional power" - from one decade to the next, it's bigger news that ND pummeled Texas than Northwestern beating Stanford in what I'll admit was a snoozer.

#2 - I'm the youngest person I know who reads the newspaper (I'm pushing 40...and I only read it on Sundays, and only as a "time-honored past time"). For *casual* college football fans my age and certainly older, they want to see/read about Notre Dame football, not Northwestern...until we're clearly having an exceptional season. It's about readership.

#3 - For more forward-thinking fans, and people who follow college football in Chicago, we have Teddy Greenstein. I read NU stories when he Tweets them out. When I click on the links, I have no idea what was on the actual front page of the sports section's print edition, and honestly, I don't care.