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Actually, he just finished his 10th year at NU, so potentially he'd be here at least 15 years............Man ... the potential for 14 years at NU. That's a brave man.
No just a 2nd tourney bid, but finishing 2nd in the conference! That’s really the most mind-blowing thing.Good for CC and good for the school. I'm not in love with him, but you just can't dump the guy who gets the school its second tourney bid. It would have further cemented the institutional reputation at NU.
Man ... the potential for 14 years at NU. That's a brave man.
Yeah, I think I lost sight of that because for a minute there I hoped Nu would come in first.No just a 2nd tourney bid, but finishing 2nd in the conference! That’s really the most mind-blowing thing.
No just a 2nd tourney bid, but finishing 2nd in the conference! That’s really the most mind-blowing thing.
I know you seem to try and downplay every success that has happened, but there’s no denying it was mind-blowing. Had you told anyone in the preseason they’d finish second, they would have made any bet you offered. Nobody would have believed it.Don't think it was that mind blowing as the B1G was filled with a lot of good, but hardly great teams, and even the conf champ was deeply flawed.
But yeah, it was historic.
(The Cats were probably a shooter away from winning the conf.)
Why do I get the sense it really bothers you that Collins had such a monumentally successful season?^ Um, no - putting things into proper context isn't downplaying simply for the sake of downplaying.
No question that the B1G was short of many very good to elite teams as seen by the quick exits in the NCAAs.
The 1st Tourney team had to win in a tougher league.
And at least I'm consistent; many a time have I stated that the FB program under Fitz should have won more B1GW titles (and earlier) since Neb was a basket case, Iowa being Iowa (every 3-4 yrs has a really good season) and Wisky having slipped over the years.
Would have entirely different expectations if the Cats were playing in the B1GE.
8th place would have been an incredible feat. Just an amazing coaching job this year.Great season, but let’s remember the last game determined 2nd place or 8th place. It was a logjam in the middle. Just shows how close the BIG was this year
Great season, but let’s remember the last game determined 2nd place or 8th place. It was a logjam in the middle. Just shows how close the BIG was this year
Heck, how many times have they finished even 8th (or equivalent with fewer teams) in your time watching them? Or, if you prefer, how many times over .500 in B1G...ever? SIX times. And they won a tourney game (rarity). I give Collins (and staff) full credit. Not as impressive on paper as the (only) other tourney team, but tough as nails.Makes our accomplishment even more impressive in my mind. Every game was a battle. No gimmies in the B1G.
Why do I get the sense it really bothers you that Collins had such a monumentally successful season?
Makes our accomplishment even more impressive in my mind. Every game was a battle. No gimmies in the B1G.
Think this made the path easier.
Let's say the conference had 4 very good to elite teams, 3 bad teams, and the rest being in the muddled middle.
The Cats didn't have the talent in beating the very good/elite teams (barring someone going absolutely bonkers as a scorer), so those would be losses.
The Cats would get wins over the bad teams, but that doesn't really build up your tournament resume, so the Cats would really have to have a good record against the muddled middle teams.
This past season, the muddled middle pretty much encompassed the whole conference - which was great for the Cats because they had enough talent to compete - so they had more opportunities to play against opponents they had a chance in beating (and which would also build their Tourney resume).
Northwestern went undefeated against every team that placed above them in the B1G. So they were beating “elite” teams.^ What does this have anything to do with BC? Lol
Maybe try to refute the great points instead of resorting to a non-related tangent.
We did beat the one elite team in our conferenceThink this made the path easier.
Let's say the conference had 4 very good to elite teams, 3 bad teams, and the rest being in the muddled middle.
The Cats didn't have the talent in beating the very good/elite teams (barring someone going absolutely bonkers as a scorer), so those would be losses.
The Cats would get wins over the bad teams, but that doesn't really build up your tournament resume, so the Cats would really have to have a good record against the muddled middle teams.
This past season, the muddled middle pretty much encompassed the whole conference - which was great for the Cats because they had enough talent to compete - so they had more opportunities to play against opponents they had a chance in beating (which would also build their Tourney resume).
So did Fairleigh Dickinson.....We did beat the one elite team in our conference
Can’t you say this about every conference? Bottom line is you play the teams on the schedule. It isn’t CCc’s job to insure the rest of the conference is elite. The Cats beat just about all teams in the conference.Think this made the path easier.
Let's say the conference had 4 very good to elite teams, 3 bad teams, and the rest being in the muddled middle.
The Cats didn't have the talent in beating the very good/elite teams (barring someone going absolutely bonkers as a scorer), so those would be losses.
The Cats would get wins over the bad teams, but that doesn't really build up your tournament resume, so the Cats would really have to have a good record against the muddled middle teams.
This past season, the muddled middle pretty much encompassed the whole conference - which was great for the Cats because they had enough talent to compete - so they had more opportunities to play against opponents they had a chance in beating (which would also build their Tourney resume).
Yeah, and their head coach got hired away to a bigger program.So did Fairleigh Dickinson.....
Who sets the non conference opposition?Can’t you say this about every conference? Bottom line is you play the teams on the schedule. It isn’t CCc’s job to insure the rest of the conference is elite. The Cats beat just about all teams in the conference.
Do you really think the fanbase would be as understanding as you seem to be with losing seasons because we played good teams? I say, no way. The fans would spout that CCC needs to do a better job to compete and beat elite teams. This was one of the best jobs I have seen anywhere by the staff, yet we have folks downplaying it or finding reasons to discredit the team for its accomplishments.
Can’t you say this about every conference? Bottom line is you play the teams on the schedule. It isn’t CCc’s job to insure the rest of the conference is elite. The Cats beat just about all teams in the conference.
Do you really think the fanbase would be as understanding as you seem to be with losing seasons because we played good teams? I say, no way. The fans would spout that CCC needs to do a better job to compete and beat elite teams. This was one of the best jobs I have seen anywhere by the staff, yet we have folks downplaying it or finding reasons to discredit the team for its accomplishments.
I really hope Collins sees this as a year he can step it up in non-con competition some, especially if Boo and Chase are back. No reason not to challenge ourselves some in the first two months of the season considering we will be considered by most to have a top 25 team.Who sets the non conference opposition?
Bring on UConn!!!i loved playing the local schools. It just so happened they weren't very good this year. No ACC Challenge so there will be room to add a tougher opponent and I doubt Georgetown will ever be that bad again, so Gavit game could be tough, depending on who we draw.
This thread sucks.
Last year was amazing, second or eighth.
Realistically, all we’re hoping as Cats fans is something to watch in March. And holy shit, we got something to watch in March.
What a great season, and an opportunity for better in 2023-24!
The man did a stellar job last year with a flawed roster!
The man did a stellar job last year with a flawed roster!
Nope, players make the Coaches much more than the other way around. That doesn’t mean Coaches don’t make a difference, they do. 2-3 games won by a Coaching staff is a lot. Keep in mind that is against other professional Coaches, not me or Bob. Some Coaches can lose 2-3 games a year. So you can have a 5-6 game swing between poor Coaches and good Coaches. I personally underestimated The skills of Boo, Big Matt, Barney as examples. Despite this, we clearing did not have a consistent reliable 3 point shooter or much of an inside game at all, outside of Big Matt’s dunk on the lob. I will stand my claim that this was superb job by the staff. Don’t worry you will have plenty of time to downplay this year in the future.You're on the record as saying an elite coach is worth 2-3 wins a year at most. That the players determine the wins and losses. Have you come around on this?