Third-party investigation could not prove that Fitz knew about any hazing. But others here can assert that Fitz must have known? Please.
Siemian and Hank can share their own experiences, but they don't presume to speak for everybody. Nobody can.
What a Sh** Show..
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Siemian and Hank can share their own experiences, but they don't presume to speak for everybody. Nobody can.
Just reading through some of those comments directed at Siemian... Wow. Gee, I wonder why nobody would want to subject themselves to such abuse?
Bullies.
You realize that this whole thing now is entirely a result of one disgruntled mediocre player, Carl Richardson, who felt that he was better than he really was and didn’t get enough playing time to suit him.
In essence it was a matter of getting even with Fitz for not playing him enough. Richardson even said that the reason he went public was to get even with Fitz.
Just think that if CR had been played a lot and was really as good as he thought he was whether any of this would be being discussed. If he had played more he probably would have been a big Fitz fan rather than an enemy and none of this would be happening now.
So it’s very interesting that the people who claim to be affected over the years never said anything. But suddenly someone who was not personally affected at all but just wanted to harm Fitz used it as a weapon.
There is not much credibility in that scenario at all.
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Give it a rest for once. Where are all the great players supporting all of the abuse?
BTW-how often was the swim and diving Coach in your locker room?
Yes, I would agree that this is ridiculous.
Feral - we have been through this, I don’t tweet. So no is the answer to your question. But in defending one’s position, I would expect the people in your camp to do what you just did. As, yes, TS most certainly counts. And these are the type of testimonials that folks here should be citing.
That said, I hope there are many more in Twitter verse as there are many more NU NFLers. Also, TS doesn’t deny the activities didn’t exist, he said it was not his experience. Folks around here have bashed the complaintants as not talented. Perhaps that did in fact play a role. Can’t say.
But if there are a lot more defenses on Twitter verse, posting those are much more persuasive than most of the BS used to defend PF.
I hope one goes further with a more definitive statement that these things DID NOT happen at anytime they were on the team.
Thank you for posting that. I am big enough to admit it goes towards your case. But it’s by no means the complete defense.
How about statements like “he is paid $5MM per year to know”
Clearly, he wasn’t being paid for the wins. Remember, the recurring justification for keeping PF was that we would never have to endure a scandal like PSU because he ran such an indisputably clean program.
I understand this and it meets with my thinking. People won’t start talking until someone breaks the code of silence. We would/could have never found out about hazing if it were not for this disgruntled player. How does that make anything right?
The report said “there was not specific evidence that coaches were BOTH aware and complicit in the hazing” but “there were significant opportunities for coaches to discover and report the hazing”. I’m not saying Fitz’s punishment was justified, but I’m saying it’s very likely he knew what was going on even if it can’t be specifically proven.
You raise an interesting point - if this had not been made public but the describe activities were in fact happening, would that make it ok in your mind? Is that consistent with a clean program for you?
Ummm, she was a she back when those things mattered so…never. She also was not a very good coach and didn’t last in coaching very long. Got too many of us hurt and didn’t produce any development of the athletes under her regimen.
And she was let go. She did run a clean program though.
As for the answer to your question, I think there are about a half dozen John Does and I think their identities could be very interesting. Also, considering the nature of hazing, it’s very possible they all became gazers themselves and therefore want nothing to do with all this.
But if it didn’t happen at all and they are loyal and thankful to PF, one would hope they would speak up loudly in his time of need.
Fair. Honestly, the way some folks have been defending PF here, hard to keep track without a scorecard. There have been comments of that nature by others. Not you. My apology.
You make it sound like the only reason for keeping Fitz was to avoid a Penn State type scandal. And that is clearly not the case at all.
Fitz had 15 years of terrific accomplishments that you and others fail to acknowledge. While the last two years were disappointing any reasonable measure of his value has to take into account those earlier years.
And statements like "he is paid $5MM per year to know" are ridiculous. If the team wanted to keep this secret from him they certainly could do so. And apparently did.
That proves absolutley nothing with regard to whether Fitz knew or not. I can make the statement that he very likely did not know which is just as plausible as yours that he very likely knew.
There is nothing in all of this that gives your statement any more credibility than mine. It's just plain conjecture on your part and pretty much worthless in this discussion.
This is a red herring argument and not worth a response.
The question here is whether Fitz and Hank knew. And I maintain that there is no evidence or proof that they did.
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