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Yeah, just barely (geeze, you make it seem as if the reason the 'Cats won those games was b/c of the O).

If that Stanford WR hadn't dropped that long pass - would have been a diff. game.

That Duke fumble as they were driving for the score and Vault's kick return for a TD made all the difference.

The D and to a lesser extent, special teams, have been carrying the O (and more specifically, the passing game - the run O has been decent, but need more than that if not winning the battle in the trenches or if the 'Cats get behind 2+ scores).
I agree that the defense has been winning games. If the Stanford WR catches the pass, though, I think we still win that game. We were the better team on that day. And if you want to play the "if the receiver didn't drop pass" game, I think we probably come out ahead in the final analysis. You can't isolate plays like that. I think the run O has been very good heading into the Michigan game, particularly in the 2nd half. The offensive line wore down the defensive line in most of the games and dominated a pretty good Minnesota defense. I didn't think we would be able to run on Michigan without establishing a passing game, though. We weren't and McCall did not adapt. I don't understand that unless they have so little confidence in Thorson that they thought he would get intercepted in the short passing game and make things even worse. I thought we had a great game plan against Ohio State in 2013 but otherwise feel like we rarely surprise defenses. That's o.k. if we are winning the battle up front but, if not, we don't give our skill players enough opportunities to make plays.

And our wide receivers coach needs to go if we don't see dramatic improvement. We have a bunch of 4th and 5th year players at the position (just like last year) and we are still struggling to catch, block and execute.
 
Here's the thing Turk, and I'm pretty sure I've said this before. You don't know what you're talking about. Dissecting the innards of a football offense might as well be trying to translate the Mandarin or Navajo for you. There's a reason he's there, and you're here chirping him on an internet message board.
McCall Me Never has produced enuf evidence so that the casual fan can certainly conclude he is staying on fitz' coattail and hedged on fitz misplaced loyalty. CCFan, me and you just disagree. Loyalty isnt always a virtue.

Go Cats!
 
See the thing is we don't disagree. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You act as if you know what you're talking about, once again, but in reality it's just you throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks.

You never answered my earlier question, how did your "full proof plan" or whatever it was you called it work in predicting the Michigan game?
 
Must be a damn good high school offense to be 5-1.
It seems to me that the wins were a result of our defense and special teams having our offense on its back. Vaults td against duke was the mo changer, shulers against minny as well. Along with aggressive play calling by hankwitz. That said, injuries to two huge play makers has now limited our big play D. For us to win against iowa, we have no choice but to stay out of our base defense.

Our offense, and McCall Me Never have had good play calling while we are ahead. We have seen it at times but Mick is too inconsistent plus he has failed to properly develop any QB that Fitz has recruited.
 
See the thing is we don't disagree. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You act as if you know what you're talking about, once again, but in reality it's just you throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks.

You never answered my earlier question, how did your "full proof plan" or called it work in predicting the Michigan game?
You are the one that has issues. My prediction about michigan fell through. Whats the fuss? If i was The Authority i would have bet the mortgage on it and made alot of money. It isnt that we agree at all but rather you are fascinated with me. You see, you never actually offer your opinion. Are you prepared to step up to the big boy league and admit that the game plans and play calling were lousy? If so, then i agree with you for the very first time.
 
You are the one that has issues. My prediction about michigan fell through. Whats the fuss? If i was The Authority i would have bet the mortgage on it and made alot of money. It isnt that we agree at all but rather you are fascinated with me. You see, you never actually offer your opinion. Are you prepared to step up to the big boy league and admit that the game plans and play calling were lousy? If so, then i agree with you for the very first time.

I don't think it's that he is fascinated with you. I think it's that he thinks you are a loudmouthed blowhard who doesn't know what he's talking about. He and you aren't alone on those scores.
 
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I don't think it's that he is fascinated with you. I think it's that he thinks you are a loudmouthed blowhard who doesn't know what he's talking about. He and you aren't alone on those scores.
Of course im a loud mouth. I agree! Truer words have never been said!

But thats not what this is about. When there is a post that questions Fitz or something in the program (whether i start the post or comment within it) he intentionally tries to divert the subject away from fitz and lousy coaching, and engages me personally without adding any opinion other than "Get Turk". Blah
 
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Hear me out on this analogy:

In Chicago, for the last few years, Coach Joel Quenneville and the Chicago Blackhawks have gone through rough stretches where people call into Chicago's radio station FUMING at the lineups Quenneville trot out. I don't agree or disagree with them, because I don't know a thing about hockey. I tend to trust the guy that has won 3 Stanley Cups over a couple of idiots calling into radio stations, however.

The same attitude applies here: Yes, I've thought some of the lineups Q has drawn up have been bad. Likewise, I don't like a lot of the offensive game planning for the Northwestern Wildcats. With that said, you going on and on and on and on about all of this, for the 20th time today, is beyond ridiculous to me because you aren't a paid professional like Fitz is. Or McCall. Or anyone else on the coaching staff.

I know Fitz isn't a first ballot Hall of Famer like Q. But again, he's smarter than you, me, anyone else on these boards, and so is McCall. So no, I'm not going to sack up and call out Fitz or McCall, because I don't know what I'm calling them out for. There's a reason he's being paid millions to coach and we're not. Because he's smarter than us. And if loyalty were the lone reason for McCall securing his position succeeding mediocre offensive years, then Fitz' ass should be canned too. So I'm willing to bet loyalty has nothing to do with it. That's just you throwing shit at a wall.

And if you were to state your opinion on here like everyone else does without such an authoritative tone, I wouldn't have a problem with you. That's what message boards are for. But it's the manner in which you do it. Again, acting as if you know what you're looking for, when you really, truly don't.
 
It seems to me that the wins were a result of our defense and special teams having our offense on its back. Vaults td against duke was the mo changer, shulers against minny as well. Along with aggressive play calling by hankwitz. That said, injuries to two huge play makers has now limited our big play D. For us to win against iowa, we have no choice but to stay out of our base defense.

Our offense, and McCall Me Never have had good play calling while we are ahead. We have seen it at times but Mick is too inconsistent plus he has failed to properly develop any QB that Fitz has recruited.
Who is the other injured player on D in addition to Harris?
 
Hear me out on this analogy:

In Chicago, for the last few years, Coach Joel Quenneville and the Chicago Blackhawks have gone through rough stretches where people call into Chicago's radio station FUMING at the lineups Quenneville trot out. I don't agree or disagree with them, because I don't know a thing about hockey. I tend to trust the guy that has won 3 Stanley Cups over a couple of idiots calling into radio stations, however.

The same attitude applies here: Yes, I've thought some of the lineups Q has drawn up have been bad. Likewise, I don't like a lot of the offensive game planning for the Northwestern Wildcats. With that said, you going on and on and on and on about all of this, for the 20th time today, is beyond ridiculous to me because you aren't a paid professional like Fitz is. Or McCall. Or anyone else on the coaching staff.

I know Fitz isn't a first ballot Hall of Famer like Q. But again, he's smarter than you, me, anyone else on these boards, and so is McCall. So no, I'm not going to sack up and call out Fitz or McCall, because I don't know what I'm calling them out for. There's a reason he's being paid millions to coach and we're not. Because he's smarter than us. And if loyalty were the lone reason for McCall securing his position succeeding mediocre offensive years, then Fitz' ass should be canned too. So I'm willing to bet loyalty has nothing to do with it. That's just you throwing shit at a wall.

And if you were to state your opinion on here like everyone else does without such an authoritative tone, I wouldn't have a problem with you. That's what message boards are for. But it's the manner in which you do it. Again, acting as if you know what you're looking for, when you really, truly don't.
i could have done a much better job than McCall Me Never last week and donated his salary to charity. I would have brought in my friend Ned who seems to know alot more than McCall when he isnt in a deer stand.
im thinking we would have been good for 14 pts. Dunno maybe 17 but at least 14 by taking over the play calling.
 
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I agree that the defense has been winning games. If the Stanford WR catches the pass, though, I think we still win that game. We were the better team on that day. And if you want to play the "if the receiver didn't drop pass" game, I think we probably come out ahead in the final analysis. You can't isolate plays like that.
But don't forget all the near INT's that Stanford SHOULD have had, and came away with none....that was one of the reasons while some of us (including the announcers) thought that waking up at 4:45a their time may have affected their performance substantially...yes not everyone agrees that THAT was the reason, but WHATEVER THE REASON, it is a fact that they missed way too many easy INT's....even one of those could have changed the game completely.
 
Our offense, and McCall Me Never have had good play calling while we are ahead. We have seen it at times but Mick is too inconsistent plus he has failed to properly develop any QB that Fitz has recruited.

Not a Fitz recruit (verballed to Walker just before Walk died), but I'd say he did a nice job with Dan Persa. I also have no huge complaints about Siemian and Colter. Thorson has shown progress this season, though I feel he is being asked to do some things that he is not cut out for (speed option).
 
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But don't forget all the near INT's that Stanford SHOULD have had, and came away with none....that was one of the reasons while some of us (including the announcers) thought that waking up at 4:45a their time may have affected their performance substantially...yes not everyone agrees that THAT was the reason, but WHATEVER THE REASON, it is a fact that they missed way too many easy INT's....even one of those could have changed the game completely.

Yes, we really should have lost that game too. Fitz should call up Shaw and tell him he wants to concede that game.

Reading this board makes my head hurt. I need to stop.
 
But don't forget all the near INT's that Stanford SHOULD have had, and came away with none....that was one of the reasons while some of us (including the announcers) thought that waking up at 4:45a their time may have affected their performance substantially...yes not everyone agrees that THAT was the reason, but WHATEVER THE REASON, it is a fact that they missed way too many easy INT's....even one of those could have changed the game completely.

Time zone issues primarily affect eastern schools forced to play late at night on west coast. West coast game times force eastern players to play when they normally would be asleep (and when circadian biorhythms promote sleep rather than alertness and athletic performance). West Coast teams waking at 4:30 AM and playing at 10:00 AM are STILL playing when biorhythms say they should be awake and alert. A 10:00 AM PTZ start time may not coincide with their normal practice schedule, but the time jump should not pose a problem to west coast teams.

Do you have any other lame excuses for why Stanford lost to us that we can quickly dismiss?
 
Nate has given great reports. He has praised things in some weeks but rightly steps up and points out the unacceptable. Some cant handle the unacceptable. Next time maybe fitz should reel williams in and let him be a mentor or have an attachment to the team. Otherwise, get ready for free speech by a former player.
its called loose ends cuz someyhing sure is eating at williams for him to rightfully point out all the unacceptables.

This is the first report where he has really ripped the team. Editorial aside, his criticism is on point. It was a horrid performance last week.

Let's see how his remaining articles turn out before we brand Williams an insufferable [feminine hygienic procedure].
 
West Coast teams waking at 4:30 AM and playing at 10:00 AM are STILL playing when biorhythms say they should be awake and alert. A 10:00 AM PTZ start time may not coincide with their normal practice schedule, but the time jump should not pose a problem to west coast teams.
so, you are assuming that they normally wake up at 4:30a, and accordingly are sound asleep about 8:30p the night before, in order to sleep about 8 hrs... that is totally unrealistic. The problem is that their bio-clock may keep them awake much later than 8:30p (even if they are in bed), and hence they end up heading to the game after significantly less sleep time than recommended.

Of course they may have TRIED to adjust in the days leading to the game, by forcing waking up at 4:30a each morning leading to the game, after going to bed about 8PM each night...but adjusting in order to be sound asleep about 8:30p (when normally they'd be in bed say abut 11p) is far easier said than done.

Al that said, as I wrote already (did you miss it??) the key point is that WHATEVER THE REASONS it is a fact that Stanford DID fail to make numerous easy INT's... if not b/c of jet lag, then b/c of whatever.
 
Time zone issues primarily affect eastern schools forced to play late at night on west coast. West coast game times force eastern players to play when they normally would be asleep (and when circadian biorhythms promote sleep rather than alertness and athletic performance). West Coast teams waking at 4:30 AM and playing at 10:00 AM are STILL playing when biorhythms say they should be awake and alert. A 10:00 AM PTZ start time may not coincide with their normal practice schedule, but the time jump should not pose a problem to west coast teams.

Do you have any other lame excuses for why Stanford lost to us that we can quickly dismiss?

I don't recall time zone having an effect on Cal last year when they schooled NU in the first half.............
 
i could have done a much better job than McCall Me Never last week and donated his salary to charity. I would have brought in my friend Ned who seems to know alot more than McCall when he isnt in a deer stand.
im thinking we would have been good for 14 pts. Dunno maybe 17 but at least 14 by taking over the play calling.
You see I think you actually believe this, but no. Just no. My guess is 2 dozen delay of game calls while you stutter in some play call.
 
Glades, I'd really prefer to rip out every hair from the next up (Beard, sideburns, hair, eye lashes, eyebrows and nose hair) 1 by 1 with a rusty tweezers than read you and Feli argue about circadian rhythms He's an idiot, he loves it when you debate him, you don't rip him a new one you play into his hands, and I need you to be the bigger person and just walk away from this one because we all know Feli ins't going to.
 
You see I think you actually believe this, but no. Just no. My guess is 2 dozen delay of game calls while you stutter in some play call.
I do. I think me and my buddy could have at least nabbed14 points. Thats 14 more than McCall.
Im not to familiar with headsets but assuming there would be no communication problems im 100% certain i could do better than McCall did last week.
Not joking. Id donate half his salary to some charity then take the other half and secure the miller lite girls at our tailgate every week. Anything left may get Ned a new treestand. Not saying we would have beat michigan but i think i definately could have got 14 at least on mich given our talent!
 
Not a Fitz recruit (verballed to Walker just before Walk died), but I'd say he did a nice job with Dan Persa. I also have no huge complaints about Siemian and Colter. Thorson has shown progress this season, though I feel he is being asked to do some things that he is not cut out for (speed option).
Persa was hurt his last two years but it seemed to me that he had what it took very early. Watkins was a disaster. I dont feel like Colter ever progressed past his raw talent that got him through his first two years. TS didnt seem to progress any more than from his sophmore year as well. Oliver still isnt developed and alviti still looks lost out there. Not sure what is goin on with thorson. McCall has had him for two years on this read option system and it honestly looks like thorson hasnt practiced it one time. Better off with a quick pitch sweep.
 
One thing im almost certain of is that Green kid. He has an arm and is far more advanced than lloyd gates. I wouldnt b surprised if he is second team qb next year. Cant believe he was a preferred walkon. He has "it"
 
This is the first report where he has really ripped the team. Editorial aside, his criticism is on point. It was a horrid performance last week.

Let's see how his remaining articles turn out before we brand Williams an insufferable [feminine hygienic procedure].
I disagree. He has been tough on some key players. Although i wasnt offended, some tight collared fans may have been when he critiqued thorson previously along withcoaching....and justifyable so.
Since BTN2go, players are subject to more critique as its just as good as game film and we all have access to it.
 
I disagree. He has been tough on some key players. Although i wasnt offended, some tight collared fans may have been when he critiqued thorson previously along withcoaching....and justifyable so.
Since BTN2go, players are subject to more critique as its just as good as game film and we all have access to it.
I would guess ex coaches like Mason and Dinardo would disagree as they were praising the way CT was being developed. But I would have to ask how good any QB would look considering how well our WRs and OL have done the last couple years.
 
I would guess ex coaches like Mason and Dinardo would disagree as they were praising the way CT was being developed. But I would have to ask how good any QB would look considering how well our WRs and OL have done the last couple years.
Its a subjective thing. Clearly CT has a great throw and if he had the ol mich had and a few real wideouts instead of no names then he would b lights out. He is killing us on that option but this is the best looking qb i have ever seen here.
its gonna be fun the next few years.
 
But don't forget all the near INT's that Stanford SHOULD have had, and came away with none....that was one of the reasons while some of us (including the announcers) thought that waking up at 4:45a their time may have affected their performance substantially...yes not everyone agrees that THAT was the reason, but WHATEVER THE REASON, it is a fact that they missed way too many easy INT's....even one of those could have changed the game completely.

They were not easy INTs; the ball was being thrown at 100 mph.
 
so, you are assuming that they normally wake up at 4:30a, and accordingly are sound asleep about 8:30p the night before, in order to sleep about 8 hrs... that is totally unrealistic. The problem is that their bio-clock may keep them awake much later than 8:30p (even if they are in bed), and hence they end up heading to the game after significantly less sleep time than recommended.

Of course they may have TRIED to adjust in the days leading to the game, by forcing waking up at 4:30a each morning leading to the game, after going to bed about 8PM each night...but adjusting in order to be sound asleep about 8:30p (when normally they'd be in bed say abut 11p) is far easier said than done.

Al that said, as I wrote already (did you miss it??) the key point is that WHATEVER THE REASONS it is a fact that Stanford DID fail to make numerous easy INT's... if not b/c of jet lag, then b/c of whatever.

And this is just "woulda, coulda, shoulda" BS. Biorhythms were not an issue. Stanford just effed up and dropped some picks.
 
Persa was hurt his last two years but it seemed to me that he had what it took very early. Watkins was a disaster. I dont feel like Colter ever progressed past his raw talent that got him through his first two years. TS didnt seem to progress any more than from his sophmore year as well. Oliver still isnt developed and alviti still looks lost out there. Not sure what is goin on with thorson. McCall has had him for two years on this read option system and it honestly looks like thorson hasnt practiced it one time. Better off with a quick pitch sweep.

Persa most definitely improved from year to year under McCall. There was noticeable improvement between the Persa I saw in Kenosha in 2009 (and I was impressed with his play in Kenosha) and the Persa in 2010. The guy was 1ST TEAM ALL-BIG TEN even though he only played in 6 of 8 Big Ten games! He set an NCAA completion percentage record that year.

You seem to think a coach can coach up anybody to be a good starter. A lot depends on the player and his ability and dedication to improve. Even dedicated players like Colter may be too set in their ways (run oriented) to change to a pass-first QB. One certainly can't quibble about Colter's passing accuracy, which was amazing even if most of his throws were only 10-15 yard throws downfield. He had something like an 89% completion rate on throws of less than 15 yards. Of course, it's also testament to the skill of our receivers back then as well. Remember when Vitale hardly ever dropped a pass, and when he did, he usually made up for it with a spectacular or long reception later in the game (see Gator Bowl)?
 
Glades, I'd really prefer to rip out every hair from the next up (Beard, sideburns, hair, eye lashes, eyebrows and nose hair) 1 by 1 with a rusty tweezers than read you and Feli argue about circadian rhythms He's an idiot, he loves it when you debate him, you don't rip him a new one you play into his hands, and I need you to be the bigger person and just walk away from this one because we all know Feli ins't going to.

I'd prefer to poke my eyes out with a fondue fork than read another one of your "set a recruit's name to music" posts, but I carefully avoid them or endure them without a peep.

Shakes, I am the bigger person and always will be, though I am trying to lose a good hunk of weight right now. Anyway, I don't mind Felis and his posts, and I like arguing with him from time to time because he usually tosses out silly things like 'OL and DL don't make split second decisions that can seriously affect the outcome of games'. Anyway, trolls like Felis play a valuable role in message board ecosystems, IMO.
 
I'd prefer to poke my eyes out with a fondue fork than read another one of your "set a recruit's name to music" posts, but I carefully avoid them or endure them without a peep.
I was gonna stop those, but Lou likes them and for all he does on this site and the little (if any) I imagine he gets paid, I keep it going.
 
I do. I think me and my buddy could have at least nabbed14 points. Thats 14 more than McCall.
Im not to familiar with headsets but assuming there would be no communication problems im 100% certain i could do better than McCall did last week.
Not joking. Id donate half his salary to some charity then take the other half and secure the miller lite girls at our tailgate every week. Anything left may get Ned a new treestand. Not saying we would have beat michigan but i think i definately could have got 14 at least on mich given our talent!
Turk, you're a lawyer right? Let's say you lost a case where the law was against your client. You made some arguments for your client, but nothing worked and you lost the case in somewhat embarrassing fashion. Now, let's say, I watched the whole thing and went on the internet and screamed: Turk sucks. He's an incompetent moron. He should be doing mock trials. I could do better!!! You would then ask for my credentials. I've never been a lawyer. I haven't been to law school. I don't study law.... But I watch a lot of Law and Order and Suits and I've seen a Few Good Men and A Time to Kill and did some mock trial in high school. I'm not saying I would've won the case, but I could've gotten a few jurors on my side or had deliberations take longer or some equivalent to scoring 14 points if there is a court room score card.

Is that a fair thing to say? No, I wouldn't perform better than you did in the court room. It would probably go down like My Cousin Vinny (minus the whole part of him saving the day in the end). I would end up in contempt day after day and get laughed out of the court room.

So you watch a lot of football and played in high school... and you think you can run an offense? No. Just no, you can't.
 
Turk, you're a lawyer right? Let's say you lost a case where the law was against your client. You made some arguments for your client, but nothing worked and you lost the case in somewhat embarrassing fashion. Now, let's say, I watched the whole thing and went on the internet and screamed: Turk sucks. He's an incompetent moron. He should be doing mock trials. I could do better!!! You would then ask for my credentials. I've never been a lawyer. I haven't been to law school. I don't study law.... But I watch a lot of Law and Order and Suits and I've seen a Few Good Men and A Time to Kill and did some mock trial in high school. I'm not saying I would've won the case, but I could've gotten a few jurors on my side or had deliberations take longer or some equivalent to scoring 14 points if there is a court room score card.

Is that a fair thing to say? No, I wouldn't perform better than you did in the court room. It would probably go down like My Cousin Vinny (minus the whole part of him saving the day in the end). I would end up in contempt day after day and get laughed out of the court room.

So you watch a lot of football and played in high school... and you think you can run an offense? No. Just no, you can't.
I cant run an offense but i couldda done better than McCall last week. McCall probably can do much better than me on most occassions but he didnt have a clue last week.
Between me an Ned we prolly would have got 14 pts at least.
We have alot of athletes on offense and im sure we would have got points. bring in the miller light babes next to the cheer leaders in front of the Juice squad would have at least resulted in a couple firstdowns. Thats why we gotta bring the juice squad to away games.
 
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Persa most definitely improved from year to year under McCall. There was noticeable improvement between the Persa I saw in Kenosha in 2009 (and I was impressed with his play in Kenosha) and the Persa in 2010. The guy was 1ST TEAM ALL-BIG TEN even though he only played in 6 of 8 Big Ten games! He set an NCAA completion percentage record that year.

You seem to think a coach can coach up anybody to be a good starter. A lot depends on the player and his ability and dedication to improve. Even dedicated players like Colter may be too set in their ways (run oriented) to change to a pass-first QB. One certainly can't quibble about Colter's passing accuracy, which was amazing even if most of his throws were only 10-15 yard throws downfield. He had something like an 89% completion rate on throws of less than 15 yards. Of course, it's also testament to the skill of our receivers back then as well. Remember when Vitale hardly ever dropped a pass, and when he did, he usually made up for it with a spectacular or long reception later in the game (see Gator Bowl)?
Im sure McCall has to get some credit but he also gets credit for watkins alviti and oliver...and thorsons read option disasters. There isnt any reason why thorson has to look so poorly on read options. Someyhing is wrong.
 
I really appreciate the former players that post here and elsewhere to tell us what they see.

In Nate's case, all this crap about the tone reads to me only like anger that the team didn't play a better game. Anybody here not feel that?
 
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I really appreciate the former players that post here and elsewhere to tell us what they see.

In Nate's case, all this crap about the tone reads to me only like anger that the team didn't play a better game. Anybody here not feel that?

I agree. When I started this thread, I was surprised how angry he seemed and how candidly he wrote. And I am pretty sure that anger is shared within the locker room.
 
Wow, a lot of sensitivity on these boards. I didn't think he came off like an ass at all. He was objective and called it like it was. The speed option play was ripped apart by many a person on this board, and I don't see anyone defending it. How could anyone possibly do so with a straight face?

If anything, I felt like he was too measured and balanced. The offensive playcalling sucked. Period. I'll leave his analysis of the D to those more versed (cue: MRCat enter stage right), but it didn't seem unfair to me at all.

I agree. Why are folks so sensitive? This guy knows more than any of us and played in this system. He is being honest and speaking from some actual knowledge, which is more than pretty much anyone else can say. I learn a lot from his commentary.
 
I agree. Why are folks so sensitive? This guy knows more than any of us and played in this system. He is being honest and speaking from some actual knowledge, which is more than pretty much anyone else can say. I learn a lot from his commentary.
Only Fitzgeralds shills are upset. Bottom line.
 
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