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Young squad (NOT!)

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On offense this week, even after injuries to more experienced starters, we started 8 guys who were juniors, seniors, or grad transfers. Only two freshman were listed in the two-deep, a remarkably low number for this late in the season. We started three sophomores, two of whom played extensively last year. The fact is that most of our starters on offense will not return next year, so we are hardly building experience among our young players in these losses.
On defense, we started seven young men who are juniors, seniors, or grad transfers. Linebacker, a position that has killed our defense this year, is filled with one redshirt senior and one grad student. Only Gallagher, among the starters, is an undergraduate. Yet, this year NU has had the worst linebacker play that I have seen since perhaps the early 1990s, maybe earlier. We will have to find two new starters at LB next year. I worry that our third-string guys, whom we recruited with much fanfare, are worse than the guys on the field or we would see them. Horrors! That said, Fitz and McGarigle know linebacking - let's hope they can produce some magic. Our youth on defense is found entirely in the secondary, offering some promise for improvement next year. Six of our top 8 guys are underclassmen and we lose only Bryce Jackson to graduation. Adebaware, our best DE, and McLaughlin, whose playing time at DE has increased, return next year, as do several highly regarded recruits who have played sparingly, if at all. I still have high hopes for Edwards, O'Rourke, Story, and Butler, as well as the new recruits this year. But, except for Edwards and O'Rourke in some games, these players have not been afforded the chance to gain much, if any experience. Our play at DT has been very disappointing, and there we have three seniors or grad transfers among our top four. No freshmen appear on our defensive two-deep.
I do not look at our two-deep and see a lot of young or even inexperienced players.
Our punter, placekicker, and punt return specialist are all seniors. We are not developing young talent at these positions, though Kuhbander has given little reason to continue in his role.
 
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What we need is a catchy nickname for the LB and the DL. It appears to have worked for the secondary.
 
What really worries me is how this season, essentially "exposes" us. Sure we have relatively new coordinators, but we've kept alllllllll the same assistants who recruited most of these guys, and this program prides itself on player development. A part of me wonders if Fitz & Co. maybe knew they had some recruitment fails...but that also tells me they should have been pounding the transfer portal because now more than ever...you can fix your recruiting mistakes.
 
Young squad riiight! 24 seniors on senior day when on average we recruit say 17 a year. That is not counting the juniors. This team is not young, Fitz look in the mirror. Reflect on recruiting, corrdinator choices, development, conditioning and bull crap play calling.
 
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The team is not young. That's a sham. This is an old, albeit inexperienced team.

In the old days (i.e. like 4 years ago) you could have some hope saying that people were redshirting, and we could say that Sullivan, Uhlein et al need that developmental year. But - in the days of the portal. you redshirt a guy at your own peril.

The transfer portal changes everything. I'd be willing to sacrifice a full-time coaching position (such as DC) to make someone full-time transfer portal manager. Mel Tucker has shown the way - formerly / recently proud program that fell on hard times, he brings in 15 transfers, including a Heisman Finalist from Wake effing Forest, and his team is still in contention for a CFP spot.
 

The team is not young. That's a sham. This is an old, albeit inexperienced team. In the old days (i.e. like 4 years ago) you could have some hope saying that people were redshirting, and we could say that Sullivan, Uhlein et al need that developmental year. But - in the days of the portal. you redshirt a guy at your own peril.

The transfer portal changes everything. I'd be willing to sacrifice a full-time coaching position (such as DC) to make someone full-time transfer portal manager. Mel Tucker has shown the way - formerly / recently proud program that fell on hard times, he brings in 15 transfers, including a Heisman Finalist from Wake effing Forest, and his team is still in contention for a CFP spot.
The retention of starters was at an all time high across college football this year as many players including NFL level talent wanted to play this year because of pandemic shortened seasons. Next year most teams will be inexperienced - perhaps we will see record lows in returning starting production across college football - and so despite a lot of turnover next year, we may be OK.
 
The retention of starters was at an all time high across college football this year as many players including NFL level talent wanted to play this year because of pandemic shortened seasons. Next year most teams will be inexperienced - perhaps we will see record lows in returning starting production across college football - and so despite a lot of turnover next year, we may be OK.
I hadn't considered that - look at Minnesota's behemoth OL, they are littered with seniors that have like 30 starts apiece. Similarly, Illinois has a ton of returning people, regardless of people here saying that those guys aren't any good. I don't like the idea of counting on others regressing so that we can look good by comparison, though, and I can't see it resulting, in, say, a 4 game swing next year.
 
I think young refers not so much to their year in school but the # of snaps they have taken....did we not have the least experienced team in DI returning with the most experience leaving? The guys that played last year had played mostly 2 and 3 years with guys behind them not getting a lot of experience....but they aint young anymore ....these last two games will tell us how they have developed.
 
I think young refers not so much to their year in school but the # of snaps they have taken....did we not have the least experienced team in DI returning with the most experience leaving? The guys that played last year had played mostly 2 and 3 years with guys behind them not getting a lot of experience....but they aint young anymore ....these last two games will tell us how they have developed.
Not only is the claim that we are a young team specious, but it masks our problems for next year. The problem is that we are not giving our young players a chance to gain experience. We can lose as well with them as with the guys who will not be here next year. We are losing by 30+ points. It is not as though we are even competitive playing these guys.
 
Young squad riiight! 24 seniors on senior day when on average we recruit say 17 a year. That is not counting the juniors. This team is not young, Fitz look in the mirror. Reflect on recruiting, corrdinator choices, development, conditioning and bull crap play calling.
I think our schemes on both offense and defense hurt us! Ramsey and Porter would have helped! So would Hank! Likely be 6-3 with those additions! MSU is a good team! Too tough!
 
Not only is the claim that we are a young team specious, but it masks our problems for next year. The problem is that we are not giving our young players a chance to gain experience. We can lose as well with them as with the guys who will not be here next year. We are losing by 30+ points. It is not as though we are even competitive playing these guys.
It’s time to empty the bench. Let all the young players play and get real game experience, especially at Wrigley so they have at least one fun experience during this dismal season. We’ve already gotten blown out by Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. How much worse could it get?

I don’t want to see any more of certain upperclassmen and want to see a LOT of our freshmen and sophomores.
 
It’s time to empty the bench. Let all the young players play and get real game experience, especially at Wrigley so they have at least one fun experience during this dismal season. We’ve already gotten blown out by Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. How much worse could it get?

I don’t want to see any more of certain upperclassmen and want to see a LOT of our freshmen and sophomores.
I don't really get it, to the point of it being scary. Fitz had no problem burying Hunter Johnson in the doghouse, probably deservedly so. Why are there so many underperforming upperclassmen still playing? It's scary to think that they are orders of magnitude "better" than the guys on the bench.
 
I hadn't considered that - look at Minnesota's behemoth OL, they are littered with seniors that have like 30 starts apiece. Similarly, Illinois has a ton of returning people, regardless of people here saying that those guys aren't any good. I don't like the idea of counting on others regressing so that we can look good by comparison, though, and I can't see it resulting, in, say, a 4 game swing next year.
I thought I would add some substance to my earlier post. Average returning production this year 76.7% vs 62.6% typically. It is not so much that NU is young (126 of 127 in returning production), it is that everyone else is older than normal. https://sportspac12.com/bill-connellys-updated-2021-college-football-returning-production/

This year is abnormal, but it only accentuates the recurring problems we have, QB turnover often means bad years, OL overall not that good despite there often being a stud or two on the OL, etc.
 
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The best players on the team sans Robinson are returning next year. I have a hard time thinking the replacements are going to be a significant drop or any drop at all.

get a few more youngsters time on the DL and at LB. We are forced to on OL with Priebe out and Sam heading to the sideline every third snap for some type of Nick.
 
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