What do you want me to say, it was a ridic post. Coack K. wasn't even close to retiring, for one...Ok, gcg.
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What do you want me to say, it was a ridic post. Coack K. wasn't even close to retiring, for one...Ok, gcg.
Yes it is an absurd notion. It was a big story when NU ended the longest draught for a power5 school so yes, he was asked to do a lot of media. Duh. So did Loyola's coach last year. Was he angling for another job. No, he just signed an extension. What responsible national media said Collins was angling for Coach K's job? Internet BS!Maybe you’re inside the program and know more than me. But I’m guessing you don’t know any more than the rest of us. I’m just saying what was the outside perception, and what was openly suggested in national media (not just my own biased opinion). It’s not an absurd notion.
Maybe you’re inside the program and know more than me. But I’m guessing you don’t know any more than the rest of us. I’m just saying what was the outside perception, and what was openly suggested in national media (not just my own biased opinion). It’s not an absurd notion.
Yes it is an absurd notion. It was a big story when NU ended the longest draught for a power5 school so yes, he was asked to do a lot of media. Duh. So did Loyola's coach last year. Was he angling for another job. No, he just signed an extension. What responsible national media said Collins was angling for Coach K's job? Internet BS!
Yes, you’re right. Everyone else is wrong. Thanks for straightening me out.
Yes it is an absurd notion. It was a big story when NU ended the longest draught for a power5 school so yes, he was asked to do a lot of media. Duh. So did Loyola's coach last year. Was he angling for another job. No, he just signed an extension. What responsible national media said Collins was angling for Coach K's job? Internet BS!
Well, he signed a contract extension through 2025 that, according to AD Jim Phillips, has significant financial penalties on both sides to break it early. So perhaps not forever, but certainly into the medium term future. And such penalties took Jamie Dixon out of the running for the UCLA job.......Soooo there’s no way that any coaches that have success in the tourney are angling for a better gig? Got it. Yeah, I’m sure Collins wanted to stay at NU forever..
OK Bob, you win.Cleary all these facts that I was able to find in less than five minutes indicated that Taylor was a low-quality transfer that was not coveted by a lot of teams. IF I spent more than 5 minutes on this, no doubt I could present you woth boatloads more evidence, but clearly you have already made up your mind with the benefit of hindsight, so it would be a waste of my time. I'll allow Haywood or someone else to own you on the Taylor was a low qualoty transfer assertion.
he is one that has him as a top 10 transfer for grads last year
https://bustingbrackets.com/2018/06/07/ncaa-basketball-ranking-top-30-graduate-transfers/6/
what hurt was not getting PG (Lathon or Mooney) to get the ball the to playmakers.
here is another at #11
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-the-2018-19-college-basketball-season#slide2
And none of the coaches that offered him are either???Thing is, none of these authors are good enough at identifying power 5 talent to be employed to do so.
And none of the coaches that offered him are either???
Can you confirm who offer? Can you confirm if it was as a starter, role player or chance to earn time? I can’t. I don’t know either way. Share your info.
Stories mention Oregon, Indiana, and Miami-FL as part of his final four along with NU.
mooney was down to northwestern and texas tech. kid might be MVP of the whole tournament. thats pretty good eval of talent by CCC and staff.
to go against the notion that taylor wasn't one of the most coveted grad transfers in the country is asinine.
you should use your trick of going back in time to pull up old threads on the board to see whats the case with taylor
Sure, and Harvard, Yale and Oxford were among mine. There was one small problem.
But let’s say they all offered, did they offer a starting spot? Which one of the IU starting spots was available? Who on that good Oregon team was gonna sit?
Or maybe, NU was the only guaranteed PT with likely starter and great education to boot. Hmmm. Because if those schools all offered strong PT and Taylor came here, then CCC should be able to talk any recruit into signing.
I highly, highly doubt that any of the schools in his final four made a pitch of having him as a role player.
You have completely taken over this thread with this asinine argument and it’s too bad.
I think it’s fair to say that Collins has missed far too much lately with recruits. But it is not fair to say that he was wrong to offer Taylor, and it is nothing more than revisionist history to say he wasn’t a coveted transfer.
Sure, and Harvard, Yale and Oxford were among mine. There was one small problem.
But let’s say they all offered, did they offer a starting spot? Which one of the IU starting spots was available? Who on that good Oregon team was gonna sit?
Or maybe, NU was the only guaranteed PT with likely starter and great education to boot. Hmmm. Because if those schools all offered strong PT and Taylor came here, then CCC should be able to talk any recruit into signing.
You are basically admitting you have no clue what was told to Taylor during his recruitment. Why would you expect anyone else to have that inside information. They wouldn’t. So how do you get that to the point of CC promising a starter role? For all any of us know, his pitch was no more aggressive as far as playing time than anyone else’s. Absolutely no one would use a pitch that a grad transfer was going to be no more than a fill in or role player. This argument goes around in circles and there is really no way you can be right or wrong.Really? Ok, without even dropping to your level, I will simply ask you who Taylor was replacing at any of those three schools. I’ll sit down and listen for your insightful and responsive answer. (Spoiler alert - no answer is coming. There is no answer. There is no way Taylor starts at IU or OU. Admittedly, I know nothing about Miami.)
You are basically admitting you have no clue what was told to Taylor during his recruitment. Why would you expect anyone else to have that inside information. They wouldn’t. So how do you get that to the point of CC promising a starter role? For all any of us know, his pitch was no more aggressive as far as playing time than anyone else’s. Absolutely no one would use a pitch that a grad transfer was going to be no more than a fill in or role player. This argument goes around in circles and there is really no way you can be right or wrong.
Your CCC criticism is close to overtaking your Fitz blasting of three years ago. We probably won’t be good next year either and this turning of every thread into a lambasting of CCC is already getting old. Can’t wait for next year.
There were many options last year. We got what we got and it played as it did. Year over, but still history recorded.
There are many options out there again. Our recruiting savant needs to identify a couple good ones and bring them in. All eyes are wide open on this program at the moment. In light of recent performances and staffing issues, CCC needs some wins.
One of. And there were others rated similar or better. And CcC’s eye for talent led him to pursue and land Taylor.
Did Taylor have other suitors? Undoubtedly. Before you give me a list, any verified? For starter or role player? How did that program do?
Coaches can swing and miss. But CCC has had a few too many misses lately. Needs to hit some hits, maybe a homerun some day.
Nothing there confirms an actual offer. There is no true way to know. Whenever these talking heads report something you disagree with, they are wrong. Went it aligns with your belief, it’s god spell.
I stick with this, CCC has had too many misses lately. It is as important as signing guys that he has identified the right guys.
What I know:
- Taylor came here
- Taylor started most games last season
- Taylor performed quite poorly here
I can’t speak to high quality or low quality. I cannot speak to who offered what. I believe that he was role player quality. Maybe other programs offered but as a role player. Maybe he came here because the only place virtually guaranteeing a starting role. Neither of us know the actual facts. But it is very reasonable to believe that CCC promised a starting spot, nobody else of substance did.
Whatever happened, CCC has to start succeeding on some recruits. Even if MSU offered Taylor and offered a starting spot suggesting Izzo made the same mistake, Izzo has enough successes that a miss or two doesn’t matter. CCC does not enjoy that luxury.
But what do I know?
Can you confirm who offer? Can you confirm if it was as a starter, role player or chance to earn time? I can’t. I don’t know either way. Share your info.
Well heywood, what we know for fact is CCC has brought many more proven misses than proven hits to date. Period. End of argument.
Time for CCC to show some success.
Do you really think anyone wants to go back and read all of your posts that lead everyone in one gigantic circle that revolves around CCC stinks.Just a few of MY quotes on this thread. You can try to misrepresent my thoughts, giving rise to the whole ‘perception becomes reality’ thing. I will continue to live in the archives.
#morefakenews
Do you really think anyone wants to go back and read all of your posts that lead everyone in one gigantic circle that revolves around CCC stinks.
OK, here are actual win-loss data:This place has reached such a level of desperation to dismiss me that folks are now openly arguing that past performance has no value, no place in predicting future performance. This is like a mini version of the main stream media and the ridiculous efforts they will 8ndertake to control the message. C’mon!
You folks are supposed to be bright, successful, leaders of men. Please tell me that this new approach of hindsight-gate is just an effort at humor. Woes be the future of the world if people no longer learn from the past to try and steer the future.
OK, here are actual win-loss data:
14-19
15-17
20-12
24-12
What would the hindsight meter have predicted for the 5th and 6th rows in this table?
The point is, 4 years or 6 or 7 is really not enough to conclude anything about the future. Yes, we can conclude that after 6 years Collins has not been the massive upgrade we hoped for. But can we conclude he never will be? I doubt it.Nice try. How about posting all six of the CcC years, not just the first four. Which those first four you cited included much BC legacy in players and coaches. Each year involving less and less of BC legacy.
Then, keep in mind that I began to public worry mid season last year. So we can examine that trendline and see what it says.
The point is, 4 years or 6 or 7 is really not enough to conclude anything about the future. Yes, we can conclude that after 6 years Collins has not been the massive upgrade we hoped for. But can we conclude he never will be? I doubt it.
After 6 years of Fitz, 4 consecutive bowl losses and win totals of 4, 6, 8,9,7,6......we'd be in a pretty similar situation to where Collins sits. See the similarity? A peak in year 4 followed by a decline. Would you have predicted based on hindsight that he'd become the B1G COTY and win the West after these 6 seasons?
I wouldn't.
The point is, 4 years or 6 or 7 is really not enough to conclude anything about the future. Yes, we can conclude that after 6 years Collins has not been the massive upgrade we hoped for. But can we conclude he never will be? I doubt it.
After 6 years of Fitz, 4 consecutive bowl losses and win totals of 4, 6, 8,9,7,6......we'd be in a pretty similar situation to where Collins sits. See the similarity? A peak in year 4 followed by a decline. Would you have predicted based on hindsight that he'd become the B1G COTY and win the West after these 6 seasons?
I wouldn't.
Also, I have felt PF beat the odds. Won some he shouldn’t have. Especially with the assistant coaching problems and related positional deficiencies. But he has won, bless his heart. Won some he shouldn’t, lost others he should have won. Mmm, it’s frustrating.
I’ll play the odds. Lightening isn’t going to strike twice so soon. Relying on non-one and done true frosh, hoping to capture a high value transfer to join the worst team in the B1G, getting huge development leaps from projects and middling talent - its one hell of a wager.
And this is why some say I’m not a ‘true’ fan. Whatever. I’m a realist. Cats are not likely to succeed based on the current situation just like the Sox aren’t going to be back in the post season anytime soon. If it happens, great - I’ll be flying around posting away game reports. But if I’m wagering my money, I’ll wager no dancing over the next two years. Happy to let any of you ‘real’ fans talk with your money. (Another spoiler - too many smart people around here to make such a bad bet.)
But you offer no solution other than “do better.”
“Real” fans can be unhappy with the position of the program but still see a path forward rather than spilling thousands of words to say Taylor didn’t pan out.
There's a difference between voicing an opinion and beating a dead horse. Especially when everyone else on the board disagrees and there's evidence shown to you that said recruit was actually being heavily recruited and yet you come back with no evidence of your own and keep asking for proof of the opposing point. If you come up with proof yourself then go for it keep arguing because that actually adds good conversation but if not it just goes in circles.I’m not the sit down and shut up type.
....5,7.8You are basically admitting you have no clue what was told to Taylor during his recruitment. Why would you expect anyone else to have that inside information. They wouldn’t. So how do you get that to the point of CC promising a starter role? For all any of us know, his pitch was no more aggressive as far as playing time than anyone else’s. Absolutely no one would use a pitch that a grad transfer was going to be no more than a fill in or role player. This argument goes around in circles and there is really no way you can be right or wrong.
Your CCC criticism is close to overtaking your Fitz blasting of three years ago. We probably won’t be good next year either and this turning of every thread into a lambasting of CCC is already getting old. Can’t wait for next year.
... keep in mind that I began to public worry mid season last year. So we can examine that trendline and see what it says.
There's a difference between voicing an opinion and beating a dead horse ...
Well heywood, what we know for fact is CCC has brought many more proven misses than proven hits to date. Period. End of argument.
So unless Nance, Kopp, Greer and the next wave prove to be hits and at least one shows some star power, then doesn’t really matter who almost came or what anyone else thought, does it? We will still be sucky and at the bottom.
Time for CCC to show some success.
Also, I have felt PF beat the odds. Won some he shouldn’t have. Especially with the assistant coaching problems and related positional deficiencies. But he has won, bless his heart. Won some he shouldn’t, lost others he should have won. Mmm, it’s frustrating.
I’ll play the odds. Lightening isn’t going to strike twice so soon. Relying on non-one and done true frosh, hoping to capture a high value transfer to join the worst team in the B1G, getting huge development leaps from projects and middling talent - its one hell of a wager.
And this is why some say I’m not a ‘true’ fan. Whatever. I’m a realist. Cats are not likely to succeed based on the current situation just like the Sox aren’t going to be back in the post season anytime soon. If it happens, great - I’ll be flying around posting away game reports. But if I’m wagering my money, I’ll wager no dancing over the next two years. Happy to let any of you ‘real’ fans talk with your money. (Another spoiler - too many smart people around here to make such a bad bet.)