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A question of semantics….

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FeralFelidae said:
Because NIL is not paid by the university, the supposed employer. It is paid by car dealership owners and the like. Are you suggesting that the players are on the car dealership payroll?
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The idea that NIL is not paid by the university is really just a creative fiction. NIL, as I understand it, is mostly paid by “collectives”, not car dealerships. Those “collectives” work similarly to an endowment. We don’t say that Coach Collins is not on the university payroll just because his salary is paid by Sullivan and Ubben.
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So the first round is complete

Purple Pile Driver
No Chores said:
Well, the Big Ten still has not lost a game in March Madness. Purdue and Michigan already in the Sweet Sixteen. Just shows how competitive the Big Ten is. On Wisconsin and UCLA.
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Jinx.

B1G 2-2 yesterday. SEC 4-1.

If SEC wins all 4 of their games Today( favored in 2) they would have half the sweet 16 field. Not likely, but not impossible with the match ups either. B1G also has 4 teams going today (favored in 3). The 2 conferences will likely combine for 10 or so of the sweet 16.

I don’t get this narrative that B1G is doing great and the SEC is floundering. The lower seeded SEC teams that have lost were supposed to lose for the most part. Flip in Indiana, OSU or next tier B1G that didn’t make it and they too would likely have been bounced. To me, both conferences are doing what they were supposed to do.
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A question of semantics….

AdamOnFirst
Dugan15 said:
There has been a lot of discussion here and in broader media about teams (particularly around coaching changes) and their “NIL”.

Not being snarky, but is there any reason the word shouldn’t be “payroll”?

I presume, just like “student-athlete”, Universities are perfectly happy to go along with a silly term, “NIL”, to avoid using the patently obvious words that we all use in our day to day life.

Can someone make “NIL” make sense in its 2025 actual usage? Thanks in advance.0
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No, incorrect, as of today. Compensation today is explicitly not payroll, it is not coming from the school and is not a salary or hourly wage. It is third party payments, ostensibly for compensation for Name and Likeness. Now, obviously a big chunk of the stuff currently within the "NIL" compensation is really just flat third party inducement for players to be playing at a school, but that doesn't make it payroll.

By the end of the summer though when revenue sharing kicks in, it's going to be far, far similar to payroll, although one would assume at least initially not literally payroll in that it won't technically be a wage paid but rather as a revenue share, a royalty or NIL payment of some kind, the players receive as a share of the TV revenues of each school. In practice, it'll function like a payroll. I also wonder how long it is before the courts or NLRB declares that it is formally, in fact, a payroll.
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A question of semantics….

CatManTrue
Dugan15 said:
There has been a lot of discussion here and in broader media about teams (particularly around coaching changes) and their “NIL”.

Not being snarky, but is there any reason the word shouldn’t be “payroll”?

I presume, just like “student-athlete”, Universities are perfectly happy to go along with a silly term, “NIL”, to avoid using the patently obvious words that we all use in our day to day life.

Can someone make “NIL” make sense in its 2025 actual usage? Thanks in advance.0
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Payroll is usually tied to performance. As in: you do your job, you get paid. If you so it really well, then you get promoted and more money.

If you don’t perform? Well, you’ll get paid until you don’t. NIL will pay you even if you don’t perform at all sometimes. 😉

NIL: there are no guarantees for most. The whole system is a mess - but, by and large, the performers (athletes) are finally getting paid something decent.

Did you not realize the Big Ten and other major college football businesses are simply Big Business?

Fitz did an average job and got paid $5M+ a year. The players got peanuts.

God still works in mysterious ways. 🙏 right @CoralSpringsCat ?
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A question of semantics….

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rwhitney014 said:
Name, image, and likeness is a concept within the law of right of publicity. It’s a quasi-intellectual property right that we all have.

The argument goes that NCAA institutions were acting in concert (i.e., conspiring) to prevent students who are athletes from making monetary use of their own rights of publicity, since the standard grant in aid that provides athletic scholarships required those students and only those students not to be able to monetize their rights of publicity. Those contracts were not negotiable on an individual basis: you want your scholarship, you only get it on our terms. And the “our” was all the schools, the conferences, and the NCAA acting as one when they should be competing to provide better terms to get better athletes.

As such, those contracts - “contracts of adhesion”! - violated the antitrust laws. Other professional athletes can legally bargain away those individual rights of publicity through a collective bargaining agreement as permitted by the labor laws, but the NCAA wasn’t allowing that either. So now we’re violating that area too.

Untangle all of it - the lack of a CBA, the should-be-unenforceable contracts of adhesion, the antitrust violations, and the schools’ interest in not labeling these students as employees - and the way you can compensate athletes without creating unintentional issues with all of that is simply to allow them to earn compensation via an individual right that is untethered to their labor. That would be for those individuals whose name, image and likeness have commercial value - their rights of publicity.

Everybody wins! (So the argument goes.)
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Except the fans of programs outside of big 5 or 10 or whatever it is
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OT: Wow, what a mess at Stanford

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1830sherman said:
And they don't even have an AD to clean it up. This might be just the job for Graggoyle.

from the Mercury News:

What hasn’t gone wrong for Stanford lately?

— The football program is coming off back-to-back 3-9 seasons under Taylor and faces a slew of challenges just to attain an acceptable level of mediocrity.

— The men’s basketball program, while led by a first-rate coach in Kyle Smith, hasn’t participated in the NCAA Tournament since March 2014.

— The women’s basketball program just experienced its worst season since 1987.

— The Cardinal’s new home, the ACC, is implementing a revenue distribution model that seemingly will make it more difficult for Stanford to compete in the major sports.

— The situation is no better financially, largely due to revenue woes. In the 2024 fiscal year, the Cardinal needed a $47 million subsidy from campus in order to balance their books, according to Stanford’s annual report.

— There is no athletic director, no interim athletic director and no timeline for naming a permanent athletic director.

— Meanwhile, president Jonathan Levin, who has been on the job since August, just implemented a hiring freeze and is undoubtedly preoccupied with the potential loss of hundreds of millions in federal funding.

(Regrets if this is paywalled)
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What it really boils down to is all those silicon valley billionaires stopped sending them money for their athletic programs and they have to stand more on their own, Maybe harder to justify when the PAC isn't their conference anymore and even if it was it is a shadow of it's former self
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