Saint Barney and Saint Hank in one paragraph. You are getting good with brevity of your point.
86 Ex NU players criticize NU administration in open Letter
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Randy Walker's teams were 24-32 in the Big Ten in 7 seasons. 42.8% 3 Bowl games. 0-3
Gary Barnett's teams were 23-33 in the Big Ten in 7 seasons. 41.1% 2 Bowl games. 0-2
Pat Fitzgerald's teams were 65-76 in the Big Ten in 17 seasons. 46.1% 10 Bowl games. 5-5
Francis Peay's teams were 9-38-1 in the Big Ten in 6 seasons. 19.8%(?) 0 Bowl games.
So your "Big Fat F" for Fitzgerald is ludicrous.
Walker, Barnett and Fitzgerald all deserve credit for the success they achieved at Northwestern.
Is it too soon for Saint Pat for the Enablers? Ooooo - Saint Pat of the Enablers!
So weird…the rest of the sports world looks at the last few years in evaluating their coaches. I suppose Ozzie was also the modern GOAT for Sox. How did the Cubs lose their greatest coach too? Why is Ditka not still coaching the Bears?
Lots of similarities between Joe Pa and PF. Neither knew what was going on. Before we’re kept around for legacy instead of results.
Guess NU was supposed to keep PF around until he died because of shit he did a long time ago.
Record against top-3 teams in the Big Ten:
Peay - 2-11, 15.4% (Michigan, OSU, MSU)
Barnett - 3-13, 18.8% (OSU, PSU, Michigan)
Walker - 5-10, 33.3% (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin)
Fitz - 6-26, 18.8% (OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan) - 1-7, 12.5% since 2019
Record against bottom-4 teams in the Big Ten:
Peay - 7-15-1, 30.4% (Wisconsin, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois)
Barnett - 13-10, 56.5% (Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa)
Walker - 13-10, 56.5% (Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, MSU)
Fitz - 35-21, 62.5% (Rutgers*, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota) - 4-9, 30.8% since 2019
*Only 2 games against Rutgers
Fitz benefitted from a bigger conference with worse teams in padding that record. Both Barnett and Walker went 2-8 against OSU/Michigan while Fitz went 1-18. Prior to 2019 I would give Fitz props for his record against Iowa, MSU, Nebraska and Wisconsin, going 21-20 against them and putting us solidly in that middle tier of the conference. 4-11 since then has shown we aren't there anymore.
Hey Cappy - why? Granted this is a tough period and agreed the subject matter is far different, the head coaching side is arguably (key - arguably) similar. It’s about what a head coach knew or SHOULD have known.
So why can’t we debate that point and how people hold these two coaches?
I agree , I called out the Fitz=JoePa smear as pathetic. That’s why I wondered why it was deleted.
Fitz without Hank = Peay and Dark Ages.
4-20
1-11
Losses to SIU, Miami, and Duke last year
Ugh
Maybe because every single reader of this forum knows exactly how each frequent poster feels about the topic. No one will change any minds as much as they think they somehow have the ability to do so. Beaten dead horse.
Hey, where did those goalposts go?
I could have sworn they were centered at the back of the end zone...
The same number as Hank-less Fitz teams, is the point.
I just wanted to see how he would do with a JON-less team.
Excellent topic to bring up!
Peay - Made zero bowl games in six seasons.
There was an average of 18 bowl games per year, averaging 5 of 10 Big Ten teams making bowls. Conference had only one tie-in (Rose)
Barnett - Made two bowl games in seven seasons, including one Rose bowl, went 0-2.
There were 18 bowl games in 1992, and 3 of 10 Big Ten teams making bowls. Conference had only two tie-ins (Rose, Citrus).
There was an average of 19 bowl games per year for the rest of his tenure, averaging 6 of 11 Big Ten teams making bowls. Conference had three tie-ins in 1993-94 (Rose, Citrus, Outback), and five tie-ins from 1995-98 (Rose, Citrus, Outback, Sun, Alamo).
Walker - Made three bowl games in seven seasons, no Rose bowls, went 0-3
There was an average of 26 bowl games per year, averaging 7 of 11 Big Ten teams making bowls. Conference had seven tie-ins (Rose, Citrus, Outback, Sun, Alamo, Music City, Motor City)
Fitz - Made 10 bowl games in 17 seasons, no Rose bowls, went 5-5
There was an average of 33 bowl games per year from 2006-2010, averaging 7 of 11 Big Ten teams making bowls. Conference had seven tie-ins from 2006-2009 (Rose, Citrus, Outback, Alamo/Gator, Insight, Champs Sports/Texas, Motor City) and eight tie-ins in 2010 (adding TicketCity).
There was an average of 35 bowl games per year from 2011-2013, averaging 8 of 12 Big Ten teams making bowls. Conference had eight tie-ins (Rose, Citrus, Outback, Gator, Insight, Texas, TicketCity, Motor City).
There was an average of 38 bowl games per year from 2014-2022, averaging 9 of 14 Big Ten teams making bowls. Conference had eight tie-ins (Rose, Citrus, Outback, Holiday, Gator/Music City, Pinstripe, Foster Farms, Quick Lane).
So Barnett made the 1st and 2nd-best bowls, Walker made the 4th, 5th and 7th-best bowls, and Fitz made the 2nd, 3rd (twice), 4th (thrice), 5th, 6th (twice) and 7th-best bowls.
And yet both sides, including you, keep posting.
