If we're going to play that game, then we have to go back to 1992.Sexual abuse is now accepted, even promoted, at our highest level of government. NU and CMT are on the right side of this, to go for the facts and root it out, based upon evidence.
Sexual predators have sadly been around since before humans started evolving 100K years ago.If we're going to play that game, then we have to go back to 1992.
I have been highly suspicious of the “hazing” claims purely because of the lack of publicly available evidence and the inconsistencies in behavior by NU in response to “hazing.”The hazing in Evanston was not limited to the football program. Fitz deserved to be fired with cause. Sexual predation has been prevalent at NU for decades: the football program’s abuse was both a symptom and a cause.
What would surprise most posters? While the people on this message board persist in demonizing the Truth.. NUFB players of all types are on my side.
Including some Rose bowl 1995 alumni!
Fitz’s shitty lawyers had better brace themselves.
I’mFitz was the heart of recruiting and in his second year on staff (first as LB coach) in 2002.
He was in the locker room at various points, was a big talker, and saw the head shavings. He didn’t care. He just wanted to get the best recruits he could, a la Barnett.
yeah, this is what I have been saying. “This is a huge scandal and Fitz must be fired immediately.” Then followed up with absolutely nothing. If it was so bad, then how is it addressed by only firing the HC?Well, when it comes to NU and the alleged behavior in the football program...
NU led with... "It was really, really bad" and they claimed they had no other moral choice but to fire Fitzgerald, who may not have known, but "should have."
And then they followed with "It really wasn't that bad" and no alleged perpetrator was punished or even named.
People, judges and juries can see the contradiction without trying - and it looks entirely like NU was trying to weasel out of a contract.
That is fair.I have been highly suspicious of the “hazing” claims purely because of the lack of publicly available evidence and the inconsistencies in behavior by NU in response to “hazing.”
I am not “demonizing the truth” but attempting to discern it. If your efforts can contribute to our understanding what has actually transpired, I wholeheartedly support them.
Let’s see the evidence!
Happy Thanksgiving too, pal! 🦃Worst moderator ever. Allows a lunatic to post disparaging nonsense detrimental to the program during peak recruiting times.
This garbage is visible to prospective recruits and their parents. Pathetic.
I have outlined a lot of what happened on here and on the Rock. A quick recap of some:What specifically are you even claiming? Unlike other allegations, everything here is so vague.
Northwestern was playing CYA and had to fire him. He ignored a culture of sexualized abuse. He had to go.I’m
yeah, this is what I have been saying. “This is a huge scandal and Fitz must be fired immediately.” Then followed up with absolutely nothing. If it was so bad, then how is it addressed by only firing the HC?
I love Rickey! But I have been sharing what happened here and with others because most football programs don’t do that stuff.Jeff’s testimony will never see the light of day in court. BTW, Ricky Henderson is still alive right? If he wasn’t, I would think he was reincarnated in Jeff.
In the past, not so sure. Fraternities? "All in the name of brotherhood."Well, when it comes to NU and the alleged behavior in the football program...
NU led with... "It was really, really bad" and they claimed they had no other moral choice but to fire Fitzgerald, who may not have known, but "should have."
And then they followed with "It really wasn't that bad" and no alleged perpetrator was punished or even named.
People, judges and juries can see the contradiction without trying - and it looks entirely like NU was trying to weasel out of a contract.
Wow, all that happened and yet you continuously posted on this site about what a big fan of NU football you were and how you would try to get to games and GO CATS!! and I love our team etc etc etc.I have outlined a lot of what happened on here and on the Rock. A quick recap of some:
More to come.
- A cross was shaved in my head during the stupid headshaving ridicule. At the time I was somewhere between an agnostic and an atheist (I’m good with my Christian faith now), but it was a humiliating experience. All of the coaches were aware
- The sexualized hazing (AKA “carwashing”) was definitely a thing that made me hate NU for a while and quit football after the season. My parents and high school coach were shocked and disappointed because I likely would have earned a scholarship as a PWO. I wish I had gone to Bucknell or another school in retrospect
- At one point, the lead hazer of my class (RIP) brought a hose into the shower and sprayed the freshman after practice. It was much worse than it sounds. I still lock my bathroom door when I shower now and I’m an independent father & businessman in my 40s
- Other stuff happened in the showers; I squared up at one point, to fight off the main dude
- Fights happened all the time. Once I got “Scout Team Player of the Week”, the hazing stopped - the coaches wanted to keep me. It was a miserable experience
- Fitz, Walker, all the coaches knew - the AD ignored it. But there were quite a few ugly stories
- I quit the football team the same day as my friend “Canadian Clifton” Dawson. He transferred to Harvard and became their leading rusher; lots of freshmen quit back then. Walker hated the hazing but didn’t know what to do (RIP)
- One player who got kicked off the team savagely beat up his girlfriend- another athlete in 2006 or so. The player, a white linebacker under Fitz, got away scotfree and was up to other really bad (illegal stuff)
Fitz should have admitted guilt, acted like a man, and gone away quietly.
I look forward to my day in court and can prove my allegations. I have some evidence and lots of folks to back up my claims from well before the news broke.
NUFB is fine now. Northwestern is still a mess due to a Lack Of Leadership and shame.
A lot of fraternities have gotten rid of pledging nationally because the hazing has gotten so bad.In the past, not so sure. Fraternities? "All in the name of brotherhood."
Did they shave the cross specifically because you weren’t a Christian? Did you have a choice on whether you wanted your head shaved?I have outlined a lot of what happened on here and on the Rock. A quick recap of some:
More to come.
- A cross was shaved in my head during the stupid headshaving ridicule. At the time I was somewhere between an agnostic and an atheist (I’m good with my Christian faith now), but it was a humiliating experience. All of the coaches were aware
- The sexualized hazing (AKA “carwashing”) was definitely a thing that made me hate NU for a while and quit football after the season. My parents and high school coach were shocked and disappointed because I likely would have earned a scholarship as a PWO. I wish I had gone to Bucknell or another school in retrospect
- At one point, the lead hazer of my class (RIP) brought a hose into the shower and sprayed the freshman after practice. It was much worse than it sounds. I still lock my bathroom door when I shower now and I’m an independent father & businessman in my 40s
- Other stuff happened in the showers; I squared up at one point, to fight off the main dude
- Fights happened all the time. Once I got “Scout Team Player of the Week”, the hazing stopped - the coaches wanted to keep me. It was a miserable experience
- Fitz, Walker, all the coaches knew - the AD ignored it. But there were quite a few ugly stories
- I quit the football team the same day as my friend “Canadian Clifton” Dawson. He transferred to Harvard and became their leading rusher; lots of freshmen quit back then. Walker hated the hazing but didn’t know what to do (RIP)
- One player who got kicked off the team savagely beat up his girlfriend- another athlete in 2006 or so. The player, a white linebacker under Fitz, got away scotfree and was up to other really bad (illegal stuff)
Fitz should have admitted guilt, acted like a man, and gone away quietly.
I look forward to my day in court and can prove my allegations. I have some evidence and lots of folks to back up my claims from well before the news broke.
NUFB is fine now. Northwestern is still a mess due to a Lack Of Leadership and shame.
I thought the hazing ended when Fitz took over - and it allegedly did for a bit (2008). Now? 🤮Wow, all that happened and yet you continuously posted on this site about what a big fan of NU football you were and how you would try to get to games and GO CATS!! and I love our team etc etc etc.
And then the allegations came out and suddenly you can’t stand the program, the University is evil etc etc etc.
It was always 90-95% clean. But the 5-10% (hazing and Fitz’s bullying) was ugly. I’m confident that Braun has cleaned it up. But Schill & the BoT need to fix the entire campus.For years, NU boasted a clean football program. Huh.
That's a damning statement, I wonder what others have experienced.It was always 90-95% clean. But the 5-10% (hazing and Fitz’s bullying) was ugly. I’m confident that Braun has cleaned it up. But Schill & the BoT need to fix the entire campus.
Northwestern as a culture seems to enable sexual predation. Vanderbilt does too from what little I know of them.
Again: Fitz’s lawsuit is lingering. The players like me have nothing to hide.
In retrospect, I was too outspoken in general as a freshman and a bit of a know it all (the years have humbled me). The cross was an odd choice- and something I noted as just one example of how degrading it could be. By and large the guys on the team were great dudes. I was raised Catholic, didn’t like it, and am a nondenominational Christian (I may convert to Presbyterianism).Did they shave the cross specifically because you weren’t a Christian? Did you have a choice on whether you wanted your head shaved?
What happened in the showers that caused you to square up?
Who on the staff was aware that this happened to you? Did you tell anyone at the time that can corroborate now?
Other programs were hard hit by hazing too. Some were not.That's a damning statement, I wonder what others have experienced.
This dude is an absolute freak show and just loves the attention. People need to stop engaging with this head case. He obviously needs professional help but is instead posting his bullshit drivel on a message board. Ban this idiot once and for all, @lou v. I thought you were supposed to be a moderator?Wow, all that happened and yet you continuously posted on this site about what a big fan of NU football you were and how you would try to get to games and GO CATS!! and I love our team etc etc etc.
And then the allegations came out and suddenly you can’t stand the program, the University is evil etc etc etc.
I who the linebacker might be. I wonder if he was a guy out of Florida. If so, this was back in the day when I was back on campus at Northwestern pursuing his second-degree and hanging out with a few other players. And they say that he was involved in a lot of illegal stuff. This is understatement.I have outlined a lot of what happened on here and on the Rock. A quick recap of some:
More to come.
- A cross was shaved in my head during the stupid headshaving ridicule. At the time I was somewhere between an agnostic and an atheist (I’m good with my Christian faith now), but it was a humiliating experience. All of the coaches were aware
- The sexualized hazing (AKA “carwashing”) was definitely a thing that made me hate NU for a while and quit football after the season. My parents and high school coach were shocked and disappointed because I likely would have earned a scholarship as a PWO. I wish I had gone to Bucknell or another school in retrospect
- At one point, the lead hazer of my class (RIP) brought a hose into the shower and sprayed the freshman after practice. It was much worse than it sounds. I still lock my bathroom door when I shower now and I’m an independent father & businessman in my 40s
- Other stuff happened in the showers; I squared up at one point, to fight off the main dude
- Fights happened all the time. Once I got “Scout Team Player of the Week”, the hazing stopped - the coaches wanted to keep me. It was a miserable experience
- Fitz, Walker, all the coaches knew - the AD ignored it. But there were quite a few ugly stories
- I quit the football team the same day as my friend “Canadian Clifton” Dawson. He transferred to Harvard and became their leading rusher; lots of freshmen quit back then. Walker hated the hazing but didn’t know what to do (RIP)
- One player who got kicked off the team savagely beat up his girlfriend- another athlete in 2006 or so. The player, a white linebacker under Fitz, got away scotfree and was up to other really bad (illegal stuff)
Fitz should have admitted guilt, acted like a man, and gone away quietly.
I look forward to my day in court and can prove my allegations. I have some evidence and lots of folks to back up my claims from well before the news broke.
NUFB is fine now. Northwestern is still a mess due to a Lack Of Leadership and shame.
If it is during that period, it would explain why a potential NFL level offensive lineman never actually matured. He hung around the same crowd and seemed to have a variety of mental issues. We often thought he was simply soft, but perhaps was born to it.I who the linebacker might be. I wonder if he was a guy out of Florida. If so, this was back in the day when I was back on campus at Northwestern pursuing his second-degree and hanging out with a few other players. And they say that he was involved in a lot of illegal stuff. This is understatement.
For those questioning the validity of this thread, it raises a new interesting legal perspective. Fitz is defending himself by claiming a lack of knowledge. If the history of this hazing goes back to his playing days and or his days as an assistant coach and show that he was aware of the hazing at that time then it would make it much less credible for him to claim a lack of knowledge when he took the position of head coach.Northwestern was playing CYA and had to fire him. He ignored a culture of sexualized abuse. He had to go.
For the record: I’ve forgiven the hazers. 90% of the guys I played with were incredible guys and many are still friends. And the younger guys are great too.
I’m furious with Fitzgerald, Phillips, Schill, and the so called Board of Trustees.
Especially since Fitz allegedly was able to stop the hazing in 2008 for a bit or so. God only knows why or how it came back.
And, irrespective of whether you believe his claims, a former player and frequent poster on this board is giving a deposition related to a major lawsuit against our former coach and program.For those questioning the validity of this thread, it raises a new interesting legal perspective. Fitz is defending himself by claiming a lack of knowledge. If the history of this hazing goes back to his playing days and or his days as an assistant coach and show that he was aware of the hazing at that time then it would make it much less credible for him to claim a lack of knowledge when he took the position of head coach.
Do you think that Fitz put a stop to the hazing but then had a change of heart and decided he wanted to bring hazing back?I thought the hazing ended when Fitz took over - and it allegedly did for a bit (2008). Now? 🤮
Unlike Fitz who at least, in your words, put a stop to it for a time in 2008.Walker hated the hazing but didn’t know what to do (RIP)