Bill Carmody
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I don't blame Jim at all. And two extra years of suffering are made up and more with the hiring of CCC.
Jim Phillips is the best AD we've had in my lifetime in my estimation. It's not even close.
Did not read the thread, but wanted to add that I am truly sorry to hear about Bill Carmody's passing, safely assuming that a thread this long with this title at the present time could, sadly, only be on that subject.
RIP, Bill, at least you saw us make it to the Dance...
RIP, Bill, at least you saw us make it to the Dance...
It also took more proficiency at hitting it to make it more valuable.
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There likely would have been other players that we would have had and transferred out when Barnett left and Walker came in. Look I am glad for the 2000 championship but it was sort of a fluke. 6-2 would not have won most years. It was a 3 way tie. We did not play OSU pr PSU and we had several pull it out of the a** victories including the Michigan finish, WIS OT and MN.
Then why do you continue to hold up Walker's "championship" as something Fitz has not achieved? I am happy to have experienced Walker's championship but it was pretty much of a fluke. Barnett's recruits, a 6-2 record winning a championship (3 way tie) which would have won very few years, Pretty rare and a whole lot of breaks going our way with not playing OSU or PSU and unbelievable finishes vs Mich, MN and WIS. Fitz equaled that 6-2 mark plus has had a couple 10 win seasons and won bowl games. While it did not have "Big Champion" next to it, at at least at the same level.
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Hmm do you know the last time that we won a Big Ten football title with OSU on our schedule?
In some ways 1995 was a fluke by those unbelievable finish standards that you've set.
True but in 95 we were 8-0 in the Big Ten and 10 wins overall and in 96 7-1, both pretty solid and no fluke. But 2000 6-2 in three way tie with no one else better than 4-4. Big 10 Champ ending the season unranked. One of the weakest claims to a BIG Championship in a long long time. Just tired of having that Big Championship used to judge current program success. The Fitz program has at least equaled that accomplishment. True he has not yet reached 95 status but...And in fact, what was accomplished in 2000 is now much more difficult. No three way ties for example.
C'mon. An undefeated conference season that wins you a conference championship is not a fluke by ANY standards...
What a dumb comment. I was talking about the other poster's standards.
You're always so quick to pick a fight, but you don't bother to read context and you run away from a fight when you've lost.
6-2makes it a fluke. 3 way tie to get the. title Half the victories sort of pulling it out of... It was the combination of all of that having to happen to get us the championship that made it a fluke. There is always some luck involved but the amount it took that year just to get to 6-2 plus that being enough for a championship for one of the only times... That combination makes it great that we won a championship but not a real indication that the team was any better than many of the teams fielded since Fitz took over. I just get tired as it being used as justification to belittle the status of the current coaching.
I don't hold up Walker's championship and agree that there is an asterisk against it. I hold the general notion of failing to win any championships whatsoever against Fitz. 13 years and not one ring. Certainly not the pace we had at one point in winning 3 titles in 6 years.
If you want to look at the bar, I think it's set by Bucky. They were almost bad as us pre-Alvarez and don't really recruit well above our capability. We should be as competitive and winning titles as often as they do today.
You are already writing off 2017 and 2018? Cause my man Fitz has only coached 11 seasons so far.....
Perhaps the number 13 is stuck in your craw for some other reason......
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Didn't you just hold up that championship? And I think this is only Fitz's 11th year. And while you used NCAA berth as the level for BB (which require just over a 0.500 BIG record and just finishing in the top half of the BIG to accomplish (a feat that Fitz and company have succeeded in about half of his seasons as HC) But for FB you are requiring a championship? Pretty unequal set of standards.
A .500 B1G record will not get you into the Dance. 10 wins is the standard if I'm not mistaken, 9 wins doesn't even get you in necessarily. It's all about getting to the next level. FB is at a higher standard because we have been there, done that. CCC needs to go beyond his accomplishments from yesteryear. A Final 4 and a B1G title most certainly needs to be in our sights now. Making the NCAAs isn't enough. If that's all we do for the next 10 years, then we may need to consider a change.
I'm glad Jim Phillips is NU's AD.
This standard is silly and completely lacks perspective in regards to the NCAA tournament.
I'm VERY disappointed. I thought you were all about Championships! This Final Four crap isn't enough. If we're not cutting down the nets and hoisting a trophy in 4 years, I expect you, E Cat, to donate your life savings -- which should be substantial given you're bilingual (well, sort of, ESL and all!) and there's never been a bigger demand for bilingual workers in Asia -- so we can coax Billy Donovan back from the NBA to Evanston.
He will accept nothing less than TITLES, people. Gator Bowl and Pinstripe Bowl champs isn't enough for E Cat. He will sell his kidney for a playoff bid. He will sell his.... okay, you get the point.
aIn BB, up until recently, a 500 big record often got a team in. Secondly, I did not say 500. Fitz teams have EXCEEDED 500 5 times and a 5-3 record would be equiv of 10-6 which gets one in even by your standards and 2015 record of 6-2 would be the equiv of 12 wins. Pretty high standards. Plus today with conference championship it is much tougher to get title (when only one team can claim the title) than when we did. Just saying that if the standard for success is getting to the dance in BB and would appear likely to remain the standard, is it right to demand a different and significantly higher standard for FB to determine if a program is successful?
He wants shiny trophies! Why can't you understand what's important in college athletics, dammit.
